Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[jafingi]

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I think this is the reason why the Mac Mini shipping times changed a few weeks ago.

So don't get your hopes up high if there are delays on rMBP's

 

[ValSalva]

Caught by iPad cannibalization, Apple, Inc. gambles on Mac inventory safeguards

I think this is the reason why the Mac Mini shipping times changed a few weeks ago.

So don't get your hopes up high if there are delays on rMBP's

I read this too. Shipping times and inventory are no longer any indicator of new or updated models being on their way.

 

[jxie0755]

Totally could, if they're pushing 4k /TB2 capability - may not happen until feb...still patient

In fact they are pushing 10k/TB5, it won't come out till 2016

 

[tofagerl]

If Intel only has 15W ULV dual cores and 35/55W quad cores, does that mean we could see a quad core 13" rMBP with Broadwell?

Technically there is a 35w dual core model, the i5-4570T, but there is no reason to think it will be in even the cheapest 13" MBP, far less the 15".

 

[bobbydd21]

What the? Your post has nothing to do with my comment

Sorry quoted the wrong person. It has been fixed.

 

[Mr MM]

Technically there is a 35w dual core model, the i5-4570T, but there is no reason to think it will be in even the cheapest 13" MBP, far less the 15".

he is talking about broadwell, and thats a haswell desktop cpu, the sockets are very different from mobile

 

[brandonx76]

In fact they are pushing 10k/TB5, it won't come out till 2016

Take it easy...Someone's going to take this seriously...

 

[that1guyy]

I want a new 15inch before end of August and looks like that isn't going to happen.

Anyone know a good windows alternative to the 15inch retina in terms of processing power, graphics card, form factor, etc. It must have at least a 1080p display.

 

[ka-spot]

I want a new 15inch before end of August and looks like that isn't going to happen.

Actually the new ones are at the store..

 

[that1guyy]

Actually the new ones are at the store..

No.

 

[bkin94]

I want a new 15inch before end of August and looks like that isn't going to happen.

Anyone know a good windows alternative to the 15inch retina in terms of processing power, graphics card, form factor, etc. It must have at least a 1080p display.

Personally, I think the closest thing your going to get to a late 2013 rMBP is a early 2013 rMBP. Yes, it's true that Apple hasn't put Haswell in their laptops yet, but neither has any other laptop maker. There are some available for pre-order I htink,but no laptop is currently readily available with haswell chips. if your reason for not getting a macbook is because they haven't updated yet, neither has anyone else.
here is an article with a couple that will be available in August:
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2013/06/the-cheapest-4th-gen-haswell-core-i7-laptops.html
note that those don't have SSDs, but some have the option for a hybrid drive. I can't say for sure that build quality is comparable (actually, I think it's a safe bet that it won't be). Again, I would suggest getting an early 2013 rMBP or finding a way to survive through Sep/Oct.
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as Petulka pointed out, there are indeed Haswell computers available now from other manufacturers. I did not mention any computer that uses a "U" series chip because those CPUs will be in PCs that compete with the MBA, not the MBP.

 

[Petulka]

Personally, I think the closest thing your going to get to a late 2013 rMBP is a early 2013 rMBP. Yes, it's true that Apple hasn't put Haswell in their laptops yet, but neither has any other laptop maker. There are some available for pre-order I htink,but no laptop is currently readily available with haswell chips. if your reason for not getting a macbook is because they haven't updated yet, neither has anyone else.
here is an article with a couple that will be available in August:
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2013/06/the-cheapest-4th-gen-haswell-core-i7-laptops.html
note that those don't have SSDs, but some have the option for a hybrid drive. I can't say for sure that build quality is comparable (actually, I think it's a safe bet that it won't be). Again, I would suggest getting an early 2013 rMBP or finding a way to survive through Sep/Oct.

What are you even talking about.... There are 10's of Haswell notebooks... What do you think air runs on now?

 

[bkin94]

What are you even talking about.... There are 10's of Haswell notebooks... What do you think air runs on now?

I'm sorry. I forgot to specify. that1guyy asked for comparable alternatives, so I wasn't including "U" series processors. (any comparable computer would have HQ or MQ chips) I should have mentioned that. If you can find a Windows laptop with hasswell HQ or MQ that is shipping now, I would like to know about it.

 

[Vanilla35]

is the new rMPB going to have a dedicated gpu like today's models with geforce gt 650m, or is it just going to be the onboard cpu/gpu solution? and how is iris 5200 compared to gt650m?

It will likely be anywhere from 20% worse in pure GPU power, to 10% better than the 650m

Aaargh! Getting tired of waiting!
Really doubting to just get a new 13" MBA now instead of waiting.

Don't be stupid, if the MBPr is honestly a better machine for you, then you should absolutely try to gather up enough will power to wait for it. I'm not into the 13" screen, but if I were in your shoes, I'd be super psyched to about getting the new thin and light redesign

 

[bill-p]

It will likely be anywhere from 20% worse in pure GPU power, to 10% better than the 650m

I'd like to see where you pulled the 20% number from.

Because most benchmarks show 30% or above. Sometimes as much as 80% at resolutions higher than 1366 x 768. That indicates it will most definitely have troubles driving higher resolutions... like those on the rMBP.

And it's never 10% better except for when you use it not as a GPU but as a general computing processor.

 

[boombox15]

Price drops in new models?

Since it seems like the new Retina MacBook Pro is coming in the September-October timeframe, I was curious about something. Does anyone expect a price drop in the new models? Something like $100-200 less? Just want to see what everyone thinks.

I have been using my 15 inch Retina MacBook Pro since July 10, 2013 and of course I will sell it to get the new Haswell models when they are released.

My model retails for $2799. A small price drop would be nice.

 

[Asifasim22]

Thunderbolt 2

I've researched this myself a bit but I wasn't able to find much information . I believe that the first day thunderbolt 2 is announced as finished , the mbp line will be updated . Does anyone have any news on thunderbolt 2 ? Which would help this all debate of early September vs mid October

 

[thundersteele]

I want a new 15inch before end of August and looks like that isn't going to happen.

Anyone know a good windows alternative to the 15inch retina in terms of processing power, graphics card, form factor, etc. It must have at least a 1080p display.

Get one of the current models with a nice discount. Still the best machine available.

My windows vendor of choice, Lenovo, still hasn't upgraded to Haswell CPUs. A few of the HP Envys are available with Haswell, but nothing really convincing (and shipping August 15, so not really there yet). The Razer Blade is nice of course, unless you care about battery life or having a decent display. Samsungs laptops still are mostly on Ivy Bridge, as far as I can see.

But of course one can always rage-buy a crappy Windows laptop... Apple won't shed a tear


PS: I'm still upset by the lack of any kind of rumors... the geekbench leak is so long ago already, at least it would be nice to have something to speculate

 

[john123]

Does anyone expect a price drop in the new models? Something like $100-200 less? Just want to see what everyone thinks.

I think there's a better-than-average chance you'll see a $200 drop across the line. The move to just using an iGPU will save a bit of money, while flash memory is a bit more price competitive than it was a year ago. There's also something to be said for the marketing power of having the 15" Retina line start at a sub-$2000 price point.

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I've researched this myself a bit but I wasn't able to find much information . I believe that the first day thunderbolt 2 is announced as finished , the mbp line will be updated .

Why do you think this? TB2 isn't a feature that has mass market appeal but instead is really relevant for a particular pro segment. Of all the reasons that have been espoused for the "delay" in releasing new models, I have found the TB2 argument to be the least compelling.

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I want a new 15inch before end of August and looks like that isn't going to happen.

Anyone know a good windows alternative to the 15inch retina in terms of processing power, graphics card, form factor, etc. It must have at least a 1080p display.

Is there any particular reason you're not considering the 2012 15" refurb?

 

[jz-]

I'd like to see where you pulled the 20% number from.

Because most benchmarks show 30% or above. Sometimes as much as 80% at resolutions higher than 1366 x 768. That indicates it will most definitely have troubles driving higher resolutions... like those on the rMBP.

And it's never 10% better except for when you use it not as a GPU but as a general computing processor.

From what I've seen, the cases where Iris Pro is significantly worse than the 650M are mostly in gaming situations. If we're talking about raw power, the gap should be less pronounced.

 

[jafingi]

I'd like to see where you pulled the 20% number from.

Because most benchmarks show 30% or above. Sometimes as much as 80% at resolutions higher than 1366 x 768. That indicates it will most definitely have troubles driving higher resolutions... like those on the rMBP.

And it's never 10% better except for when you use it not as a GPU but as a general computing processor.

I like how you invalidate his claims because he didn't provide any sources, and you then continue with other numbers, without you provide any source.

So.... "I'd like to see where you pulled the 80% number from."

 

[mneblett]

How's this for pot stirring? I see a dedicated graphics solution in most (if not all) of the MBP's for some time into the future.

Primary reason: TB2. Not because the late 2013 Haswell MBP's will have it, but because the early 2014 versions will and it wouldn't make economic or logistic sense for the Mothership to make a unique integral GPU-only logic board for only 4-5 months' production of the late 2013 MBP's.

Apple has to be looking to the future, which will include heavy external monitor demands by some users, for which TB2 is a plus. So the dedicated GPU stays, even if not "needed" before the early 2014 update.

A secondary reason in my mind is that this is the "Pro" model, and the dedicated GPU is an obvious differentiator over the MBA's (and other integral-only laptops).

Whaddaya think??

 

[dranakin]

Let's say $1999/$2000 is the new base Haswell 15" Retina model. For the same price, any thoughts if that model would have better specs than a refurbished with the current 2.6 GHz and 16GB of RAM? Obviously, the dGPU is the big mystery and other possible upgrades, like a 1080p FaceTime camera, but just wondering if I should make the jump...

 

[john123]

Let's say $1999/$2000 is the new base Haswell 15" Retina model. For the same price, any thoughts if that model would have better specs than a refurbished with the current 2.6 GHz and 16GB of RAM? Obviously, the dGPU is the big mystery and other possible upgrades, like a 1080p FaceTime camera, but just wondering if I should make the jump...

Virtually no chance. You'll still see 8/256 if there's a price drop.

 

[Crzyrio]

How's this for pot stirring? I see a dedicated graphics solution in most (if not all) of the MBP's for some time into the future.

Primary reason: TB2. Not because the late 2013 Haswell MBP's will have it, but because the early 2014 versions will and it wouldn't make economic or logistic sense for the Mothership to make a unique integral GPU-only logic board for only 4-5 months' production of the late 2013 MBP's.

Apple has to be looking to the future, which will include heavy external monitor demands by some users, for which TB2 is a plus. So the dedicated GPU stays, even if not "needed" before the early 2014 update.

A secondary reason in my mind is that this is the "Pro" model, and the dedicated GPU is an obvious differentiator over the MBA's (and other integral-only laptops).

Whaddaya think??

TB2 has a very very likely hood of making in onto the coming rMBP's.

The Mac Pro is going to be announced in October as per WWDC right? We also know for a FACT, the Mac Pro will have TB2.

The Mac Pro and rMBP are likely to be released at the same time, so then why include it in the Pro and not MBP.