Because I was hoping for a September MBP Haswell release!
If you are correct, that is all the more reason for the dGPU to be kept in.
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If you are correct, that is all the more reason for the dGPU to be kept in.
if they will be released at the same time.. maybe then the rMBP could be black too??
Okay...
Iris Pro benchmark numbers:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Iris-Pro-Graphics-5200.90965.0.html
GeForce GT 650M benchmark numbers:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.71887.0.html
Scroll down and look at Skyrim's numbers:
Iris Pro - High settings : 21.4fps | Ultra settings: 12.1fps
650M - High settings: 41fps | Ultra settings: 24fps
Differences:
High settings: 91.6%
Ultra settings: 98.3%
I was being moderate at 80%.
If you work out your math with the rest of the benchmarks, the difference is consistently 30-50% in favor of the 650M.
And that's STOCK 650M. The one in the rMBP is overclocked to match 660M performance, so it should be another 10-15% faster on average.
I suspect most people really underestimate just how much graphical power the rMBP has. It does have a lot. And to top it off, you can even overclock the dGPU further since the cooling system is much more competent than on Apple's past MacBooks.
I don't think we should just blazingly discount the idea.
The old Mac Pro was silver. The new one is black. And it's not black plastic, it is black aluminium. The iPhone 5 and iPad Mini also come in black aluminium.
We could be seeing a shift of Apples overall design aesthetic to black aluminium casings across their entire range. I'm not saying it's happening, I'm just saying we shouldn't ignore what is going on in their other products, I was honestly surprised that the Mac Pro went all black.
It would be a quick change I agree but it isn't unprecedented. The Unibody 15" MBP launched in late 2008, it featured a removable battery. The following year, that was gone. I admit this isn't as drastic as changing the entire enclosure design but it shows they aren't afraid to alter a new design on a second revision product.
Another thing to consider is that the Retina MacBook Pro design is very similar to the Unibody MacBook Pro. It's thinner, it has those air in-takes on the sides but it still looks mostly the same.
It kinda reminds me of the Intel switch. They went from the PowerBook G4 to the MacBook Pro whilst using the same basic design. The MBP had an infrared port and the built in iSight but apart from that it was basically identical in outward appearance. Then they introduced the Unibodies about 2 years later.
Maybe they intend to do that again?
Personally I think I'd like a black one aslong as the finish is to a high quality and lasts a long time.
It would be a quick change I agree but it isn't unprecedented. The Unibody 15" MBP launched in late 2008, it featured a removable battery. The following year, that was gone. I admit this isn't as drastic as changing the entire enclosure design but it shows they aren't afraid to alter a new design on a second revision product.
Another thing to consider is that the Retina MacBook Pro design is very similar to the Unibody MacBook Pro. It's thinner, it has those air in-takes on the sides but it still looks mostly the same.
It kinda reminds me of the Intel switch. They went from the PowerBook G4 to the MacBook Pro whilst using the same basic design. The MBP had an infrared port and the built in iSight but apart from that it was basically identical in outward appearance. Then they introduced the Unibodies about 2 years later.
Maybe they intend to do that again?
Personally I think I'd like a black one aslong as the finish is to a high quality and lasts a long time.
I think its very possible that the new MBP is black...if Apple was ever going to decide to make black MBPs, this is the time. With the Mac Pro black and iPhone black, its the perfect time..
It would be nice if they gave us the option of silver or black.. i personally would love black and could rejuvenate the macbook pro line
Just to be clear, you need to state which way you're comparing.
The Iris Pro has about a 50% drop in performance compared to the 650M:
(41-21.4)/41 = 47.8% drop
(24-12.1)/24 = 49.5% drop
The 650M has a 90-100% increase in performance compared to the Iris Pro:
(41-21.4)/21.4 = 91.5% increase
(24-12.1)/12.1 = 98.3% increase
Your numbers are right, but I think you flip-flopped a little when you presented them.
That's the big question, the answer to which wouldn't be know at launch time.
I just think of black cars. They show every bit of dirt and every blemish. Silver hides blemishes the best. I think Apple would sell a lot of black rMBP's. I just hope if they offer it in black they leave an option for the current bare aluminum too.
The current MBPs aren't bare aluminum. It's an anodized silver paint coating on top of the aluminum.
On my aluminum Macbook it seems that in places where that paint gets damaged (scratched/nicked) that once the raw aluminum is exposed it turns dark from oxidation.
The iPhone 5 had some notorious issues with the black anodized coating, but from what I understand part of that problem is that the aluminum is so thin that they couldn't do a very thick anodizing process. I think that on the MBP they could do a decently thick coating which would be a lot more durable.
Yes, you are more accurate. I should have said bare aluminum appearing finish.
So, the current 2.6/2.7GHz is faster than a Haswell i7-4700MQ at 2.4GHz (if that's what Apple puts into the base Retina 15")?
EDIT: Never mind, looked at comparison website. I guess the refurbished model will outperform the upcoming base Haswell model, save for things we don't know yet (dGPU, changes to hardware, etc.).
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Everything hardware-wise is ho-hum once you start reading MacRumors
.Except the Mac Pro. That took everyone by surprise and that's the thing that Apple even freaking told us was coming.
As far as I know, there isn't any haswell processors with iris pro that have 8mb cache. Are they going to drop that upgrade path as well?
Everything hardware-wise is ho-hum once you start reading MacRumors
Except the Mac Pro. That took everyone by surprise and that's the thing that Apple even freaking told us was coming.
Yeah, that's why I stop reading macrumors a few weeks before keynotes.
I want some kind of surprise, you know?That is the bad thing about Apple's "no comment, no leak" policies. When the hype gets out of hand, the actual announcement ends up being a let down.
Of course the Mac rumor mill seems to have dried up now days, all the informative leaks are focused towards the iDevices.
You guys seem to forget: Apple tried black MacBook parts before. If I'm not mistaken, the black iPad Mini collects these same oily fingerprints on its aluminum shell.
Yeah, just for anyone else who is curious, the leaked Haswell 2.4Ghz scored a 12497 on Geekbench, which is about even with the average benchmark for currently shipping 2.8Ghz rMBPs (12398), and obviously ahead of 2.7s (12040) and 2.4s (11165). Using basic interpolations, we can likely conclude that the entry level 2.0Ghz Haswell will offer performance roughly comparable to today's entry level 2.4Ghz Ivy Bridge.
So 650M performs 91.6% better (41 versus 21 fps)? Where did you take your math exam
21 is about 41 divided by two. How can that ever be a 91% difference?
(41-21)/41 = 0,4878 = 48,78%......
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