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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

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I picked up a battery for my Macbook off of OWC for $89 while waiting for a new Haswell Macbook Pro. It beats the 800 MHz :)eek:) it has been running at for over a year. Plus, I'll have a something I can sell if needed.
 
PDFierro said:
No, all those things are wrong. The dual-core in the 13-inch rMBP will not be the same CPU in the Air and other ultrabooks. The 13 will have 5100 and dual-core, while the 15 will have 5200 and quad-core. All of these things have been confirmed through benchmarks and other leaks.
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The BTO have not been leaked. We could see a BTO quad core in the 13". At least thats what I hope. To me no quad in the 13" means no buy. Not that anyone would care...
 
redsoxaa said:
I am sorry, but in this case the math is 41-21=20 20/21=.95 or 95%
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uincom said:
The math is strong in this one.
I drive 100mph, you drive 50mph.
(100-50)/100 = 0,50 = 50%.....

So i drive 50% faster :eek:


I got 2 pies , you got 1 pie.
(2-1)/2 = 0,5 = 50%

So i have 50% more pie than you!
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roblin said:
Seems to be a high inflation on math exams nowadays.
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They're both right. It just depends which way you want to look at it / which one you set as baseline.

The Iris Pro has about a 50% drop in performance compared to the 650M:
(41-21.4)/41 = 47.8% drop
(24-12.1)/24 = 49.5% drop

The 650M has a 90-100% increase in performance compared to the Iris Pro:
(41-21.4)/21.4 = 91.5% increase
(24-12.1)/12.1 = 98.3% increase

If I have 1 pie and you have 2 pies, you have 100% more pie than me (1+100%*1 = 1+1 = 2). However, I have 50% less pie than you (2 - 50%*2 = 2-1 = 1).
 
Lunfai said:
Most leaked evidence has reported this, but it's all still not finalised until we see it with our own eyes. There is no 5300, the highest spec iGPU with the current Haswell is 5200. Which is code named Iris Pro, think 5100 with L4 (hence it's pro). Sorry bud.
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Where is the leaked evidence that the 15 will only have iGPU?

And I know the iris 5200 is the currently highest iGPU. But it was rumored that Intel is making a custom chip for apples rMBPs that would be faster than the 5200. The name 5300 I just made up as a placeholder.


PDFierro said:
No, all those things are wrong. The dual-core in the 13-inch rMBP will not be the same CPU in the Air and other ultrabooks. The 13 will have 5100 and dual-core, while the 15 will have 5200 and quad-core. All of these things have been confirmed through benchmarks and other leaks.

The Pro won't have more battery life than the Air because of the Retina screen. The Retina screen is very power hungry. Just look how much bigger the battery is in the Pro versus the Air. We will be lucky to see 10 hours of battery life.

The standard SSD in the Air was 64GB, at least on the 11-inch, and they made 128GB standard. I highly doubt Apple would make 256GB standard on the Pro, that is taking money away from them. The base 13-inch is already a good seller.
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I never said the CPU in the 13 rMBP would be the same as in the air.

And yes I see now that Apple is moving from a 35W mobile CPU in the 13 rMBP down to a 23W ultra mobile.

This is only 66% the power than before, and haswell is way more energy efficient than before. And mavericks is more power efficient.
For these reasons I think the 13inch rMBP will have 10-12 hours of battery life easily.

Just as you said the pro has a much bigger battery than the air. And they both have U CPU. Yes the retina will use more power.

I doubt apple will sell there flagship notebook at $1500 starting at 128gb this time around. It will start at 256 to differentiate from the air. That's how I would place my money
 
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Mattsasa said:
Where is the leaked evidence that the 15 will only have iGPU?

And I know the iris 5200 is the currently highest iGPU. But it was rumored that Intel is making a custom chip for apples rMBPs that would be faster than the 5200. The name 5300 I just made up as a placeholder.




I never said the CPU in the 13 rMBP would be the same as in the air.

And yes I see now that Apple is moving from a 35W mobile CPU in the 13 rMBP down to a 23W ultra mobile.

This is only 66% the power than before, and haswell is way more energy efficient than before. And mavericks is more power efficient.
For these reasons I think the 13inch rMBP will have 10-12 hours of battery life easily.

Just as you said the pro has a much bigger battery than the air. And they both have U CPU. Yes the retina will use more power.

I doubt apple will sell there flagship notebook at $1500 starting at 128gb this time around. It will start at 256 to differentiate from the air. That's how I would place my money
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28W CPU, actually. It would be awesome to see 256GB default on the 13-inch, I just don't see it happening.
 
Mattsasa said:
And I know the iris 5200 is the currently highest iGPU. But it was rumored that Intel is making a custom chip for apples rMBPs that would be faster than the 5200. The name 5300 I just made up as a placeholder.
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In addition to this being a rumor from a source that doesn't have historical credibility, even it didn't suggest there was a "custom chip." The language was vague. It could be as simple as something like higher binning. This is how people get their hopes up and then get let down...

Mattsasa said:
I doubt apple will sell there flagship notebook at $1500 starting at 128gb this time around. It will start at 256 to differentiate from the air. That's how I would place my money
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Uh, while I can appreciate you might like this configuration, there is absolutely zero reason for them to be likely to bump it up. As the other person pointed out, it's a best-seller as-is. The differentiation versus the air is stuff like a 2x multiplier on CPU speed, and, well, a Retina display. Doubling the SSD would cannibalize sales from other products and reduce margins for absolutely no reason.

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Mattsasa said:
Where is the leaked evidence that the 15 will only have iGPU?
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The Geekbench benchmark detected no other on-board dGPU. Usually, if a dGPU exists, it does.
 
It's now Aug and just before the best buy 15 day receipt ran out I decided I could not enjoy anything without retina. The Mbp's were not appealing to me without the haswell chip ,knowing it will be in these machines in 60 or 90 days or so. Although the mba's batt duration time was every bit of 13 hrs+. That's nice time. Just couldn't enjoy it, I mean truly enjoy the time spent without retina.
What a great choice . MBA with both and the pros will have both hasw and retina also. Nice.
Looks like Oct or Nov will be time to replace my new ipad and add another laptop to the household. Prob the 13" pro. Just need to tell my wife they are mainly for her...should work.
 
john123 said:
In addition to this being a rumor from a source that doesn't have historical credibility, even it didn't suggest there was a "custom chip." The language was vague. It could be as simple as something like higher binning. This is how people get their hopes up and then get let down...


Uh, while I can appreciate you might like this configuration, there is absolutely zero reason for them to be likely to bump it up. As the other person pointed out, it's a best-seller as-is. The differentiation versus the air is stuff like a 2x multiplier on CPU speed, and, well, a Retina display. Doubling the SSD would cannibalize sales from other products and reduce margins for absolutely no reason.

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The Geekbench benchmark detected no other on-board dGPU. Usually, if a dGPU exists, it does.
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Dont mean to be the devils advocate but
I believe the statement went something like... if a dGPU existed then Geekbench 'Should' have picked it up.

There could be changes in software/hardware that dont allow Geekbench to properly see the dGPU? :p
 
john123 said:
In addition to this being a rumor from a source that doesn't have historical credibility, even it didn't suggest there was a "custom chip." The language was vague. It could be as simple as something like higher binning. This is how people get their hopes up and then get let down...


Uh, while I can appreciate you might like this configuration, there is absolutely zero reason for them to be likely to bump it up. As the other person pointed out, it's a best-seller as-is. The differentiation versus the air is stuff like a 2x multiplier on CPU speed, and, well, a Retina display. Doubling the SSD would cannibalize sales from other products and reduce margins for absolutely no reason.

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The Geekbench benchmark detected no other on-board dGPU. Usually, if a dGPU exists, it does.
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Ok, I wasn't very convinced on the custom chip faster than 5200.

I was just imagining that apple will be bumping up the ssd all along the notebook line. Seems likely to
me. But that's just my thoughts.

Found the geekbench

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/2139563


While the geekbench doesn't prove anything, I believe it to be pretty accurate.

Is there a possibility apple will offer 2 versions of the 15inch

One with only the iGPU and one with a dedicated?
 
Mattsasa said:
And I know the iris 5200 is the currently highest iGPU. But it was rumored that Intel is making a custom chip for apples rMBPs that would be faster than the 5200. The name 5300 I just made up as a placeholder.
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If Intel make a custom CPU for 15" rMBP to improve the integrated graphics performance, it will have HD 5200 graphics with more than the standard number of execution units.
 
Mattsasa said:
I am completely just making educated guesses here, I am probably very off in a lot of areas.
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Lucky that I read this before your proposed specs. Saved me a lot of time by avoid reading and discussing about crazy specs. Thank you.
 
Crzyrio said:
Dont mean to be the devils advocate but
I believe the statement went something like... if a dGPU existed then Geekbench 'Should' have picked it up.

There could be changes in software/hardware that dont allow Geekbench to properly see the dGPU? :p
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While that is correct there are two problems:
  1. In the past, Geekbench has seen the dGPU. So yes, while there could be a change that makes the new dGPU not detected properly, that isn't the most likely explanation.
  2. The bigger issue is that there is absolutely no way Apple would ever bundle a dGPU with that configuration (an Iris Pro 5200). The 5200 is a full-fledged graphics card in its own right, and is priced accordingly at $657 for the 2.4Ghz configuration. It wouldn't make any sense to bundle it with a dGPU.

Mattsasa said:
Is there a possibility apple will offer 2 versions of the 15inch

One with only the iGPU and one with a dedicated?
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You'll find some posts in this thread on that subject. Most of us agree it is highly, highly unlikely for marketing reasons.
 
ValSalva said:
This is nice if one wants to buy a refurbished 2013 rMBP. But how in the world is it connected to the release of Haswell retina MacBook Pros? :confused:
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Uhm... Did you read the thread? ;) There's assumption in there that refurb 2013 rMBPs with a 30 day delay suggests a possible release date for the new models.
 
jxie0755 said:
Lucky that I read this before your proposed specs. Saved me a lot of time by avoid reading and discussing about crazy specs. Thank you.
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I will be updating what I think again tonight.

But please do tell me in what ways my specs are crazy. I want to know. And or give me what you think the specs will be
 
uincom said:
The math is strong in this one.
I drive 100mph, you drive 50mph.
(100-50)/100 = 0,50 = 50%.....

So i drive 50% faster :eek:


I got 2 pies , you got 1 pie.
(2-1)/2 = 0,5 = 50%

So i have 50% more pie than you!
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Wrong. You drive 100% faster and eat 100% more pie.

Correct math is (100-50)/50 or (2-1)/1
 
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