Where are you getting that information? The Haswell mobile chips are already shipping inside notebooks. The razer itself will be available to purchase (not pre-order) in a couple days.
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Where are you getting that information? The Haswell mobile chips are already shipping inside notebooks. The razer itself will be available to purchase (not pre-order) in a couple days.
I hadn't seen that. Now I've visited the official page (http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade#powerful) and it says that the 14" Razor Blade is going to come with a 2.2 GHz quad-core 4th gen Core i7. According to some websites, it is a 37W chip, which is still to be announced (I've not found this 37W quad-core processor in any website listing Haswell parts). I was under the impression that Core i7-4800MQ, Core i7-4900MQ and Core i7-4930MX were the only quad-core models to be released in June. But it appears I was wrong.
This is an unspecified model, and it might be inside the 13" rMBP, that would be just great.
I am concerned, however, on a few points: (i) the Razer Blade gets a 6-hour battery life, despite having a lower-resolution screen (1600x900) than the 13" rMBP; and (ii) the Razer Blade is a very expensive machine (US$ 1,799 with 128 GB SSD).
I suspect that these two issues are partially due to the quad-core processor, and it may prevent Apple from using it on the 13" rMBP. But the dedicated video card may also be responsible for the high price and low battery of the Razer Blade...
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I've found this information on these websites:
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30859-haswell-35w-dual-cores-in-q4-2013
http://wccftech.com/intel-haswell-d...-launching-q2-2013-core-gpu-details-revealed/
http://www.techstation.it/hardware/news/intel-haswell-mobile-35w-solo-nel-q4-2013-6891.html
You missed the i7 4700MQ and HQ, and the yet not disclosed specs of the 4702MQ and HQ, the 4702 I think its a 37w quad, it uses the ivy nomenclature anyway, at least part of it.
The razer machines have always been expensive, they come with apple style design and quality to boot that.
But the battery life isnt a very hard concern, it uses 70wh battery inside it, though you have to remember that:
1) its windows
2) it uses optimus, while the gpu is heavily downclocked at that switching, its still alive and sipping power (at idle anything makes a difference)
3) idle power difference from quads and dual cores are almost equal, since sandy, pretty much equal since ivy. on load they are very different
and that is a very powerful gpu that they shoved inside that notebook, its in between the 670mx and 675mx, from the numbers you can guess where those gpu went, gaming notebooks ranging from 15 to 18''
Im actually thinking of not going rmbp 13 broadwell anymore and may or may not snatch one of those razer blades for me this year or the next one, maxwell will be a big thing on gpus and DDR4 is going to boost that ram limit up
but now take a look at this pic, pretty much the same inside aint it?
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The Razer Blade has a 70wh battery, and the 13" rMBP has a 74wh battery, slightly larger. If Apple puts a quad-core 37W processor and keeps the integrated graphics card, maybe it may squeeze more battery out of the 13" rMBP even keeping the 2560x1600 display.
its quite probable actually, note that the razer also comes with some gaming goodies, like the not so power sipping firmware that comes in the killer 1202 wireless (its an intel 6235 2x2 mimo array with BT 4.0), there is the ghosting firmware on the keyboard that is always constantly running and some custom firmware on the touchpad that is also constantly running (though apple has the same thing for the macbooks in general), that also leaves us on the matter of how the components were designed, like a similar notebook with the same internals, but from different manufacturers may yield different battery run times, asus is notorious for doing a sloppy job on the N series, while the dv6 aint a much better frame of good design, it still has more battery life when you equalise both, or like the x230 has more battery life than the mbp 13, despite the ips display
and apple wouldnt put a dgpu on the rmbp 13, it doesnt make sense for them, nor I would want one
and they wouldnt put a 765m either, that gpu needs a much beefier psu than the 85w gives currently, actually apple long ago shouldve gone for 120w for the 15 models
I know the rumours say Iris Pro is only for 4 core, but I wonder if Monday Intel announce a dual core chip with the GT3e and added 128mb DRAM package, with a 35w/37w TDP suitable for the rMBP 13.
Surely this would be the perfect chip for the rMBP 13, further differentiating it from the MBA 13 which is currently is too close in performance? The rMBP 15 will likely get the HD 4x00 + upgraded nVidia chip, which along with 4 cores would remain a substantial step up from the 13.
This is what I'm hoping for anyway, as I'm in the market for a 13. I'm happy with dual core (for XCode, Xamarin Studio and Visual Studio 2012 in Parallels), but a decent GPU for the occasional gaming would be perfect. In many ways it's a shame Apple didn't go AMD, the Trinity A10-4600M would have been a great fit IMHO.
Surely this would be the perfect chip for the rMBP 13, further differentiating it from the MBA 13 which is currently is too close in performance? The rMBP 15 will likely get the HD 4x00 + upgraded nVidia chip, which along with 4 cores would remain a substantial step up from the 13.
This is what I'm hoping for anyway, as I'm in the market for a 13. I'm happy with dual core (for XCode, Xamarin Studio and Visual Studio 2012 in Parallels), but a decent GPU for the occasional gaming would be perfect. In many ways it's a shame Apple didn't go AMD, the Trinity A10-4600M would have been a great fit IMHO.
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there was currently only rumours that the 37w still existed, with razer blade we know it exists, and i think its going to be a quad fest. we have 11w, 15w, and 28w for dual core parts now
on a side note, haswell has more cpus to be released in 2 days than what ivy had for half its lifetime, soon approaching bursting point
In that case, bring on the quad fest!
If I can get a 13 rMPB with enough GPU grunt to launch Deus Ex 3 once in a blue moon, it'll become my desktop replacement too. Quad core is bonus!
I'll be putting my order in on day one.
As always, be prepared to be disappointed. I am pretty sure Apple would prefer you own buy both a MBP and an iMac (for gaming at least). God forbid that they give you so much power in a MBP that it can act as a desktop replacement.
That's how their business brains work... But I do hope for a quad-core 13'' rMBP myself. Then it would be a nice candidate for a eGPU, at least.
As always, be prepared to be disappointed. I am pretty sure Apple would prefer you own buy both a MBP and an iMac (for gaming at least). God forbid that they give you so much power in a MBP that it can act as a desktop replacement.
That's how their business brains work... But I do hope for a quad-core 13'' rMBP myself. Then it would be a nice candidate for a eGPU, at least.
exactly, while the 15 offers the same gpu power than the smaller imacs, the 27 is always their flagship in terms of power, and that will never be reached by the 15 models, for you to shove the 100w TDP gpus they use, its problematic in such an anorexic design, there are only 2 notebooks that are 15 that can use those, and they weight 1.5+ times more, have 2x the thickness, and are generally larger as well, that is compared to the rmbp
I really hope that they come with quads (rmbp 13), but be prepared for it to not happen, I think broadwell (and from what we know so far from haswell) will kill standard voltage dual core, only quads allowed now. The difference in power between a ULV and standard voltage dual core aint large anyways (10%), there is no reason that they should keep making those
As always, be prepared to be disappointed. I am pretty sure Apple would prefer you own buy both a MBP and an iMac (for gaming at least). God forbid that they give you so much power in a MBP that it can act as a desktop replacement.
That's how their business brains work... But I do hope for a quad-core 13'' rMBP myself. Then it would be a nice candidate for a eGPU, at least.
It's not only about business brains.
It's about trade-offs.
A laptop can never be as powerful as a desktop. A laptop is about balance. Apple puts a dual-core processor and an integrated video card in its 13" MacBook Pro for a reason. These components allow the laptop to be thin and light, and still have enough battery life. And the laptop doesn't get very hot due to these parts. If Apple put a more powerful processor or GPU, this balance would be compromised. Put a dedicated GPU in the machine, and Apple would have to make it heavier and bulkier, or compromise battery life. A lot of companies will compromise some aspects of the laptop so it gets better on something. Apple won't. Apple laptops are balanced.
True, but the 13 rMPB hasn't sold well, mainly because the 13 air is to close in spec. If a retina air is on the horizon somewhere, the 13 pro needs a better spec.
Quad core and/or half decent GPU (in 13 rmbp) would widen the gap nicely, without threatening the rest of the product line up.
I agree with you on all accounts
here is a gt3e, aka iris pro review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested
I already posted the released line up for haswell, only i7 cpus on that, and only quads, for dual cores it appears we need to way tuesday to see what they wil deliver
ars piece about haswell
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...tel-announces-first-4th-generation-core-cpus/
laptopmag
http://blog.laptopmag.com/intel-haswell
pc world
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2040...esktop-performance-in-portable-packaging.html
the verge
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/1/43...aswell-processors-heres-what-you-need-to-know
reading all those now
and what is xHCI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EXtensible_Host_Controller_Interface_(xHCI)
Exactly, right now. It's too close. I'd prefer either as all the retina offers is the screen. In a couple of years, the air will receive a retina screen and there will be no distinction except a higher watt processor.
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thats from pcworld
so people prepare to be boarded on the rmbp 13 with 37w cpus, and hopefully although unlikely we will have a higher end sku with the 4702MQ/HQ
why you say?
because of that, that leaves us 6 unaccounted and bastardly hidden, perfidious dual core 37w cpus
all in all, the wrap up is as was expected, better battery life, new power states, integrated PCH for ultrabooks (11.5w, 15, and 28w tdp cpus), and some changes on the chipset 8
thats from pcworld
so people prepare to be boarded on the rmbp 13 with 37w cpus, and hopefully although unlikely we will have a higher end sku with the 4702MQ/HQ
why you say?
because of that, that leaves us 6 unaccounted and bastardly hidden, perfidious dual core 37w cpus
all in all, the wrap up is as was expected, better battery life, new power states, integrated PCH for ultrabooks (11.5w, 15, and 28w tdp cpus), and some changes on the chipset 8
I agree with what you say. It's reasonable to expect trade-offs. However, there's never such a simple answer as "they would have to make the laptop heavier and bulkier, if they put a dedicated GPU in there".
So the balance you are talking about, I am sure, also includes a little bit of strategic thinking with regards to how they can differentiate their products in a way that makes sense to increase profits. Companies take every chance they can with product differentiation, if they believe it will affect their profits in a positive way.
If the Haswell CPUs are already being shipped with new laptops, why is there still a release date of June 3/4?
Fingers crossed that the rMBP are refreshed in June
Fingers crossed that the rMBP are refreshed in June
If the Haswell CPUs are already being shipped with new laptops, why is there still a release date of June 3/4?
Fingers crossed that the rMBP are refreshed in June
given the released SKU highly unlikely, probably only the rmbp 15 and if they still exist the mbp 15
I hope you don't really believe that!
I guess you would have define desktop. I would put my laptop up against most desktops.
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I hope you don't really believe that!
I guess you would have define desktop. I would put my laptop up against most desktops.
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It would be ridiculous to compare a $2000 laptop against a $300 desktop.
At a fixed price point, desktop are definitely more powerful than laptops.
Could one (or more) of these 37w dual cores simply be a 28w TDP dual core die with the Iris Pro eDRAM silicon bolted onto the package?
Could be the perfect rMBP 13 chip...
Reading the reviews, doesn't look like Iris Pro threatens the rMBP 15's dedicated GPU.
I hope you don't really believe that!
I guess you would have define desktop. I would put my laptop up against most desktops.
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I meant that a desktop can always be more powerful than a laptop. A desktop has less problems with heat dissipation and there are no concerns about battery life. You cannot cram a 130W processor inside a laptop.
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That's fore sure. There are markets for each product. There are gaming laptops which have a power-hungry graphics card and are bulk and heavy with a poor battery life, aimed at crowds that care about more fps in games with detailed graphics. There are business laptops that have somewhat modest specifications and a huge battery life aimed at executives who want to work unplugged during a whole day.
Apple's approach is to deliver a balanced experience, without compromising one aspect. In order to do that, it hasn't been able to put GPUs inside 13" machines so far.
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