Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[RedRhino]

Apple's approach is to deliver a balanced experience, without compromising one aspect. In order to do that, it hasn't been able to put GPUs inside 13" machines so far.

Exactly, so surely Iris Pro could solve this? The AnandTech Iris Pro review had this to say regarding the power draw of the Iris Pro eDRAM die named Crystalwell ( http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/3 )

"At idle, simply refreshing whatever data is stored within, the Crystalwell die will consume between 0.5W and 1W. Under load, operating at full bandwidth, the power usage is 3.5 - 4.5W."

That could surely be mated with one of the new 28W dual core Haswell chips, and still increase battery time in the rMBP 13. However it sounds like Intel are only offering Crystalwell with 45W quad cores and up...

 

[Mr MM]

Could one (or more) of these 37w dual cores simply be a 28w TDP dual core die with the Iris Pro eDRAM silicon bolted onto the package?

Could be the perfect rMBP 13 chip... Reading the reviews, doesn't look like Iris Pro threatens the rMBP 15's dedicated GPU.

oh no it doesnt as usual the performance is inconsistent as it is with igpus, but its a very large improvement in the igpu territory, I want to see kaveri and broadwell now

regarding previous leaks there are no 28w cpus with the edram, and those that have it are called, so far, H, there have been no quads outside that realm, thus HQ

the main odd ball here is the 4702HQ, which comes with 4600, but its a bga version of the 4702MQ

I really hope they cram the quads in the 13, really do, but those 6 missing M, are probably the perfidious dual cores, we do have 3 missing H though, so surely as shirley they might appear as 4750HQ, thats 1, we have the suspicion of another MX with gt3e to go along the 4930MX, which makes perfect sense if you read the anand review of the 4950HQ, and we are still missing 1

so in the end broadwell it is

 

[Serban]

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Lets remember in 2011 for example, the most sold laptop was mbp 13" even the air was some how there in specs, a little behind. I think even if air gets retina it will be the same difference between them in specs like was for ever.

Like in 2012 THE ENTIRE LINE OF MACBOOK GOT IVY BRIDGE which was release in late May and the event was in June. So like now the release of Haswell is in 3 June and upgrade for macs will be in 10th June 200% sure, and i dont know if there are new Xeon CPUs for mac pro upgrade. Are there? I mean intel release some xeon cpus in 2012 or this year?

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"Pure economics and an unwillingness to invest in older fabs made the GPU a first class citizen in Intel silicon terms, but Intel management still didn’t have the motivation to dedicate more die area to the GPU. That encouragement would come externally, from Apple."

So without Apple..i think the products would have been like Nokias in smarphones, like Sony Vaio in laptops, no all in one computers,no tablets and so on

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""Apple eventually got to the point where it was buying enough high-margin Intel silicon to influence Intel’s roadmap. That’s how we got Intel’s HD 3000. And that’s how we got here.""

 

[Mr MM]

they havent talked much about xeons, which is quite alright, they dont get nearly the same spotlight of the consumer models, but we do have ivy ex cpus launching at the same time, which are xeons for consumers

and your forever forgets the advancements in cpu tech, the 2008 model was a flop only after 2010 and specially with the 2011 we saw more mbas out in the wild, they got priced competitively and had enough power and battery.

its clear that apple is moving towards making the mba as their entry product

and clear differentiation between the models has become has been in demands since sandy, ivy offered 35w quads, haswell offers 37w quads, we dont know what broadwell offers, but I think they will cut more of the tdp

 

[skaertus]

oh no it doesnt as usual the performance is inconsistent as it is with igpus, but its a very large improvement in the igpu territory, I want to see kaveri and broadwell now

regarding previous leaks there are no 28w cpus with the edram, and those that have it are called, so far, H, there have been no quads outside that realm, thus HQ

the main odd ball here is the 4702HQ, which comes with 4600, but its a bga version of the 4702MQ

I really hope they cram the quads in the 13, really do, but those 6 missing M, are probably the perfidious dual cores, we do have 3 missing H though, so surely as shirley they might appear as 4750HQ, thats 1, we have the suspicion of another MX with gt3e to go along the 4930MX, which makes perfect sense if you read the anand review of the 4950HQ, and we are still missing 1

so in the end broadwell it is

I am still confused about the Haswell line-up and the date of release of each processor. Here are some questions I have:

1) If all Haswell processors will be released in June 2013, why only desktop processors and quad-core and ultra-voltage processors for mobile have been unveiled so far?

2) If the 13" rMBP is going to get the 37W quad-core, will it use the Intel HD Graphics 4200/4400/4600 series instead of Iris? Will it have less graphics horsepower than the MBA which will get ULV processors with Iris?

I don't know the timeline of release of Haswell processors, nor which models are going to be released in June. The only things that are clear to me are that the following processors are being released in June: (a) quad-cores with HD 4200/4400/4600 graphics cards, aimed at high-end laptops which also get dedicated graphics cards; and (b) ultra-low voltage dual cores with Iris, aimed at ultrabooks. I read some time ago that other processors, including those with Iris Pro, would be released later in the year.

With this line-up, it looks like Apple could refresh the MBA with the low-voltage processors. This would be in line with the reported shortage in MBAs. So, I guess the likeliness of a refresh in the MBA line is high.

Apple could even refresh the 15" rMBP, given that it will get a dedicated graphics card. But that would mean that the integrated graphics card in the 15" rMBP would be less powerful than the one found in the MBA, which is strange (despite the dedicated graphics being better). Apple could wait for the release of Haswell quad-cores with Iris, which I read would occur in Q3 2013 to refresh the 15" rMBP, and it would be more likely to happen.

The 13" rMBP would be in the worst situation: it could get the non-Iris 37W quad-core processor now, but then its graphic card would be slower than the one in the MBA, and it sounds weird. It could get a refresh later in the year, when Iris Pro is released.

I would say that the likeliness of refresh in the rMBP line to be much lower than in the MBA line. I really want to see a rMBP refresh in June, but I just don't see it happening due to the reasons above...

 

[cube]

I wonder about OpenCL on Iris Pro against discrete for smaller datasets.

 

[Lunfai]

I am still confused about the Haswell line-up and the date of release of each processor. Here are some questions I have:

1) If all Haswell processors will be released in June 2013, why only desktop processors and quad-core and ultra-voltage processors for mobile have been unveiled so far?

2) If the 13" rMBP is going to get the 37W quad-core, will it use the Intel HD Graphics 4200/4400/4600 series instead of Iris? Will it have less graphics horsepower than the MBA which will get ULV processors with Iris?

I don't know the timeline of release of Haswell processors, nor which models are going to be released in June. The only things that are clear to me are that the following processors are being released in June: (a) quad-cores with HD 4200/4400/4600 graphics cards, aimed at high-end laptops which also get dedicated graphics cards; and (b) ultra-low voltage dual cores with Iris, aimed at ultrabooks. I read some time ago that other processors, including those with Iris Pro, would be released later in the year.

With this line-up, it looks like Apple could refresh the MBA with the low-voltage processors. This would be in line with the reported shortage in MBAs. So, I guess the likeliness of a refresh in the MBA line is high.

Apple could even refresh the 15" rMBP, given that it will get a dedicated graphics card. But that would mean that the integrated graphics card in the 15" rMBP would be less powerful than the one found in the MBA, which is strange (despite the dedicated graphics being better). Apple could wait for the release of Haswell quad-cores with Iris, which I read would occur in Q3 2013 to refresh the 15" rMBP, and it would be more likely to happen.

The 13" rMBP would be in the worst situation: it could get the non-Iris 37W quad-core processor now, but then its graphic card would be slower than the one in the MBA, and it sounds weird. It could get a refresh later in the year, when Iris Pro is released.

I would say that the likeliness of refresh in the rMBP line to be much lower than in the MBA line. I really want to see a rMBP refresh in June, but I just don't see it happening due to the reasons above...

I wouldnt mind if they somehow fit the 4600 processor with a descrete GPU, I'd say unlikely but ill buy it

 

[skaertus]

I wouldnt mind if they somehow fit the 4600 processor with a descrete GPU, I'd say unlikely but ill buy it

Very unlikely.

I've done some research and I found the following mobile Haswell processors so far:

Quad-cores:

Core i7-4700MQ (GT2, 37W)
Core i7-4702MQ (GT2, 37W)
Core i7-4800MQ (2.7 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 4600, 47W)
Core i7-4900MQ (2.8 GHz, 8 MB L3 cache, HD 4600, 47W)
Core i7-4930MX (3 GHz, 8 MB L3 cache, HD 4600, 57W)

Quad-cores with Iris:

Core i7-4700HQ (GT3, 37W)
Core i7-4702HQ (GT3, 37W)
Core i7-4850HQ (2.3 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 5200, 47W)
Core i7-4950HQ (2.4 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 5200, 47W)

Ultra-low voltage dual cores:

Core i3-4005U (HD 4400)
core i3-4010U (HD 4400)
Core i3-4100U (HD 4400)
Core i3-4158U (HD 5100)
Core i5-4200U (HD 4400)
Core i5-4200Y (HD 4400)
Core i5-4250U (HD 5000)
Core i5-4258U (HD 5100)
Core i5-4288U (HD 5100)
Core i5-4350U (HD 5000)
Core i7-4500U (HD 4400)
Core i7-4550U (HD 5000)
Core i7-4558U (HD 5100)
Core i7-4650U (HD 5000)

If you happen to have any additional information on the processors above, I would appreciate to add it to the list. That's what I've got so far.

There are some conflicting reports on release dates, with some saying that processors with GT3 graphics cards will only be released in Q3 2013, while the others would be available in June. But I've found some i7-4700HQ processors for sale in foreign websites, so I don't know...

No word on standard voltage dual-core processors. Will there be any standard voltage dual cores, by the way? The i7-4650U is an ultra-low voltage, and the logical/numerical step above that seems to be the i7-4700MQ/HQ, which is a quad-core.

 

[Lunfai]

Very unlikely.

I've done some research and I found the following mobile Haswell processors so far:

Quad-cores:

Core i7-4700MQ (GT2, 37W)
Core i7-4702MQ (GT2, 37W)
Core i7-4800MQ (2.7 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 4600, 47W)
Core i7-4900MQ (2.8 GHz, 8 MB L3 cache, HD 4600, 47W)
Core i7-4930MX (3 GHz, 8 MB L3 cache, HD 4600, 57W)

Quad-cores with Iris:

Core i7-4700HQ (GT3, 37W)
Core i7-4702HQ (GT3, 37W)
Core i7-4850HQ (2.3 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 5200, 47W)
Core i7-4950HQ (2.4 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 5200, 47W)

Ultra-low voltage dual cores:

Core i3-4005U (HD 4400)
core i3-4010U (HD 4400)
Core i3-4100U (HD 4400)
Core i3-4158U (HD 5100)
Core i5-4200U (HD 4400)
Core i5-4200Y (HD 4400)
Core i5-4250U (HD 5000)
Core i5-4258U (HD 5100)
Core i5-4288U (HD 5100)
Core i5-4350U (HD 5000)
Core i7-4500U (HD 4400)
Core i7-4550U (HD 5000)
Core i7-4558U (HD 5100)
Core i7-4650U (HD 5000)

If you happen to have any additional information on the processors above, I would appreciate to add it to the list. That's what I've got so far.

There are some conflicting reports on release dates, with some saying that processors with GT3 graphics cards will only be released in Q3 2013, while the others would be available in June. But I've found some i7-4700HQ processors for sale in foreign websites, so I don't know...

No word on standard voltage dual-core processors. Will there be any standard voltage dual cores, by the way? The i7-4650U is an ultra-low voltage, and the logical/numerical step above that seems to be the i7-4700MQ/HQ, which is a quad-core.

Don't know how legitimate this is, but it's marked for release this week according to: http://wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Intel-Mobile-Roadmap.jpg

 

[Serban]

so in your opinion based on those info how is suppose to be for:

Macbook Air 11"- Hd 4400
Macbook Air 13"- Hd 5000
Macbook Pro 13"-Hd 5000
Macbook Pro 15"- Hd 5200

??

 

[cube]

Iris Pro is the interesting one, because of the 128MB eDRAM L4.

 

[Mr MM]

Long post be warned

I am still confused about the Haswell line-up and the date of release of each processor. Here are some questions I have:

1) If all Haswell processors will be released in June 2013, why only desktop processors and quad-core and ultra-voltage processors for mobile have been unveiled so far?

No, its going to a fragmented release, I was wrong, and that slide that I posted in your thread and this was as well

2) If the 13" rMBP is going to get the 37W quad-core, will it use the Intel HD Graphics 4200/4400/4600 series instead of Iris? Will it have less graphics horsepower than the MBA which will get ULV processors with Iris?

Apple could even refresh the 15" rMBP, given that it will get a dedicated graphics card. But that would mean that the integrated graphics card in the 15" rMBP would be less powerful than the one found in the MBA, which is strange (despite the dedicated graphics being better). Apple could wait for the release of Haswell quad-cores with Iris, which I read would occur in Q3 2013 to refresh the 15" rMBP, and it would be more likely to happen.

The 13" rMBP would be in the worst situation: it could get the non-Iris 37W quad-core processor now, but then its graphic card would be slower than the one in the MBA, and it sounds weird. It could get a refresh later in the year, when Iris Pro is released.

There is only 1 current quad 37w cpu, its the 4702, its sold in MQ (socketed) and HQ BGA. Its packs the 4600, all quads pack the 4600 so far, 4200 and 4400 are for ULV

Its not strange, the ULV receive either the 4200 (currently for Y), the 4400 (for U) and the 5000 (for U), quads receive 4600 or 5200, that is SO FAR


The 13, given the 4702, its going to keep using the dual cores to much of my disgust, or they have decided to make a step and shoved some 47w, again we dont know the TDP of the cpus that will receive the 5000

I don't know the timeline of release of Haswell processors, nor which models are going to be released in June. The only things that are clear to me are that the following processors are being released in June: (a) quad-cores with HD 4200/4400/4600 graphics cards, aimed at high-end laptops which also get dedicated graphics cards; and (b) ultra-low voltage dual cores with Iris, aimed at ultrabooks. I read some time ago that other processors, including those with Iris Pro, would be released later in the year.

No, its only quads that are getting the release so far, we will know more on june 4th, intel changed the date as well.

So far the line up is either 4600 (as explained all MQ use that) or the 5200 (iris pro, HQ, except the 4702HQ), no anouncement has been made for 37w dual cores, though we still have 6 missing M processors from what pcworld said in their article

With this line-up, it looks like Apple could refresh the MBA with the low-voltage processors. This would be in line with the reported shortage in MBAs. So, I guess the likeliness of a refresh in the MBA line is high.

ULV are getting, so far, released at a latter date, not today, no confirmed ETA

I would say that the likeliness of refresh in the rMBP line to be much lower than in the MBA line. I really want to see a rMBP refresh in June, but I just don't see it happening due to the reasons above...

I would say that product announcements are less likely, actual launch? only for the 15. BUT we dont have much to go on, despite the info overload, we still dont have much in terms of the SKU for the ULV which is quite extensive

Very unlikely.

I've done some research and I found the following mobile Haswell processors so far:

Quad-cores:

Core i7-4700MQ (GT2, 37W)
Core i7-4702MQ (GT2, 37W)
Core i7-4800MQ (2.7 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 4600, 47W)
Core i7-4900MQ (2.8 GHz, 8 MB L3 cache, HD 4600, 47W)
Core i7-4930MX (3 GHz, 8 MB L3 cache, HD 4600, 57W)

Quad-cores with Iris:

Core i7-4700HQ (GT3, 37W)
Core i7-4702HQ (GT3, 37W)
Core i7-4850HQ (2.3 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 5200, 47W)
Core i7-4950HQ (2.4 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 5200, 47W)

Ultra-low voltage dual cores:

Core i3-4005U (HD 4400)
core i3-4010U (HD 4400)
Core i3-4100U (HD 4400)
Core i3-4158U (HD 5100)
Core i5-4200U (HD 4400)
Core i5-4200Y (HD 4400)
Core i5-4250U (HD 5000)
Core i5-4258U (HD 5100)
Core i5-4288U (HD 5100)
Core i5-4350U (HD 5000)
Core i7-4500U (HD 4400)
Core i7-4550U (HD 5000)
Core i7-4558U (HD 5100)
Core i7-4650U (HD 5000)

If you happen to have any additional information on the processors above, I would appreciate to add it to the list. That's what I've got so far.

There are some conflicting reports on release dates, with some saying that processors with GT3 graphics cards will only be released in Q3 2013, while the others would be available in June. But I've found some i7-4700HQ processors for sale in foreign websites, so I don't know...

No word on standard voltage dual-core processors. Will there be any standard voltage dual cores, by the way? The i7-4650U is an ultra-low voltage, and the logical/numerical step above that seems to be the i7-4700MQ/HQ, which is a quad-core.

From the line up so far, which is basically quads or dual cores ULVs its hard to see something, and thats why I always kept saying quads in the 13

Model Core i7-4950HQ Core i7-4850HQ Core i7-4750HQ Core i7-4702HQ Core i7-4700HQ
Cores/Threads 4/8 4/8 4/8 4/8 4/8
CPU Base Freq 2.4 2.3 2.0 2.2 2.4
Max SC Turbo 3.6 3.5 3.2 3.2 3.4
Max DC Turbo 3.5 3.4 3.1 3.1 3.3
Max QC Turbo 3.4 3.3 3.0 2.9 3.2
TDP 47W 47W 47W 37W 47W
HD Graphics Iris Pro 5200 Iris Pro 5200 Iris Pro 5200 4600 4600
GPU Clock 200-1300 200-1300 200-1200 400-1150 400-1150
L3 Cache 6MB 6MB 6MB 6MB 6MB
DDR3/DDR3L 1600 1600 1600 1600 1600
vPro/TXT/VT-d Yes Yes No No No
Intel SBA No No Yes Yes Yes
Price $657 $468

Model Core i7-4930MQ Core i7-4900MQ Core i7-4800MQ Core i7-4702MQ Core i7-4700MQ
Cores/Threads 4/8 4/8 4/8 4/8 4/8
CPU Base Freq 3.0 2.8 2.7 2.2 2.4
Max SC Turbo 3.9 3.8 3.7 3.2 3.4
Max DC Turbo 3.8 3.7 3.6 3.1 3.3
Max QC Turbo 3.7 3.6 3.5 2.9 3.2
TDP 57W 47W 47W 37W 47W
HD Graphics 4600 4600 4600 4600 4600
GPU Clock 400-1350 400-1300 400-1300 400-1150 400-1150
L3 Cache 8MB 8MB 6MB 6MB 6MB
DDR3/DDR3L 1600 1600 1600 1600 1600
vPro/TXT/VT-d No Yes Yes No No
Intel SBA No No No Yes Yes
Price $1096 $568 $378


the table got truncated, but here is the link
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7002/hit-the-road-jack-intels-mobile-quadcore-haswell-skus

Iris Pro is the interesting one, because of the 128MB eDRAM L4.

indeed, that L4 is going to make a good difference for some pro apps

thats about all I have for now.

We are still missing 6 M cpu, make your bets on whats going to be what

 

[APPLE-FANATIC]

Why have we not heard the rumors of the rMBPs being out of stock at retailers?? It seems as though ever other product by Apple is slowly diminishing in stock, or hell it may just be my thinking, lol!

 

[Lunfai]

Why have we not heard the rumors of the rMBPs being out of stock at retailers?? It seems as though ever other product by Apple is slowly diminishing in stock, or hell it may just be my thinking, lol!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ss_i_3_11?k=macbook+pro+retina&sprefix=MacBook+pro

Look at the stock! Does this reassure you haha.

 

[APPLE-FANATIC]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ss_i_3_11?k=macbook+pro+retina&sprefix=MacBook+pro

Look at the stock! Does this reassure you haha.

LMAO!!! Oh, DAMN, Yes it does!!!

 

[Mago]

Quad-cores with Iris:

Core i7-4700HQ (GT3, 37W) base 13" rMBP
Core i7-4702HQ (GT3, 37W) opt for base 13"rMBP
Core i7-4850HQ (2.3 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 5200, 47W) base 15" rMBP
Core i7-4950HQ (2.4 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 5200, 47W) opt 15"rMBP

IGZO Panels (sharp), revised bit wider Unibody *maybe* no HDMI port, instead another USB3 Or Thunderbolt.

(2 be announced June 10, Availability: late July / August )


Ultra-low voltage dual cores:

Core i3-4158U (HD 5100) base 11" rMBA
Core i5-4258U (HD 5100) base 13" rMBA, opt 11" rMBA
Core i5-4288U (HD 5100) opt 13"rMBA

IGZO Panels (sharp)

 

[B...]

rMBA? IGZO? Quad core 13"? Is this a prediction or a wishlist?

Quad-cores with Iris:

Core i7-4700HQ (GT3, 37W) base 13" rMBP
Core i7-4702HQ (GT3, 37W) opt for base 13"rMBP
Core i7-4850HQ (2.3 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 5200, 47W) base 15" rMBP
Core i7-4950HQ (2.4 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 5200, 47W) opt 15"rMBP

IGZO Panels (sharp), revised bit wider Unibody *maybe* no HDMI port, instead another USB3 Or Thunderbolt.

(2 be announced June 10, Availability: late July / August )


Ultra-low voltage dual cores:

Core i3-4158U (HD 5100) base 11" rMBA
Core i5-4258U (HD 5100) base 13" rMBA, opt 11" rMBA
Core i5-4288U (HD 5100) opt 13"rMBA

IGZO Panels (sharp)

 

[Koulie]

Really good discussion going on here! ie breakdowns of new CPU lineups & a link to shortage of rMBP
I'm still reading it all

Just wanted to remind everyone that it is only 9 days until WWDC.

This thread has been serving its purpose very well.
Carry on

 

[Lunfai]

rMBA? IGZO? Quad core 13"? Is this a prediction or a wishlist?

More then a prediction in my opinion. One can only spectate a retina MBA, although the announcement and availablility at a much later date for the rMBP worries me.

 

[skaertus]

so in your opinion based on those info how is suppose to be for:

Macbook Air 11"- Hd 4400
Macbook Air 13"- Hd 5000
Macbook Pro 13"-Hd 5000
Macbook Pro 15"- Hd 5200

??

It's hard to say, especially not knowing the frequencies, prices and availability of the processors...

 

[Mago]

rMBA? IGZO? Quad core 13"? Is this a prediction or a wishlist?

I'm dont like/want neither rMBA/rMPB13 (I'm waiting for the rMBP15), but those ***** are what the users (market) want.

Facts: intel announced Haswell full (no usb3 bug) production for june, as Sharp announced for June their IGZO panels production, both aimed at MacBooks.

Availability?

Late July for new rMBP15/rMBP13 Both with revised unibody (the new panels have a different aspect ratio).

and sometime at Q4 must be Available All the rMBA line (due ulv haswell delay)...

Maybe no rMBA announced yet, but at Q3/iPhone Event is an very likely date.

10/6 also we may see some annouce on something for "mac pro users" either an ALL NEW (I hope) Mac Pro, or some ***** (rumoured) like an iMac Pro (mobile xeon/quadros)... I Bet on a Fully Redesigned Mac Pro with 2xQuadro 5000 on board and 2.5" hhd instead 3.5 (both flavors, spinners, hybrid and full ssd on a 5 hhd rack).

 

[skaertus]

Long post be warned

But a good post.

There is only 1 current quad 37w cpu, its the 4702, its sold in MQ (socketed) and HQ BGA. Its packs the 4600, all quads pack the 4600 so far, 4200 and 4400 are for ULV

I thought both the 4700 and 4700 would be quad cores. And I was under the impression that MQ processors had GT2 and HQ processors had GT3. Isn't that so?

No, its only quads that are getting the release so far, we will know more on june 4th, intel changed the date as well.

I thought ULV dual cores would also be released in June.

So far the line up is either 4600 (as explained all MQ use that) or the 5200 (iris pro, HQ, except the 4702HQ), no anouncement has been made for 37w dual cores, though we still have 6 missing M processors from what pcworld said in their article

Will there be any 37W dual cores? I am beginning to doubt that. I've seen only U, MQ and HQ processors so far. Will Intel kill the standard voltage dual cores?

ULV are getting, so far, released at a latter date, not today, no confirmed ETA

Where did you get this information from?

I would say that product announcements are less likely, actual launch? only for the 15. BUT we dont have much to go on, despite the info overload, we still dont have much in terms of the SKU for the ULV which is quite extensive

I don't know. There's too much conflicting information. I can't figure it out.

From the line up so far, which is basically quads or dual cores ULVs its hard to see something, and thats why I always kept saying quads in the 13

Model Core i7-4950HQ Core i7-4850HQ Core i7-4750HQ Core i7-4702HQ Core i7-4700HQ
Cores/Threads 4/8 4/8 4/8 4/8 4/8
CPU Base Freq 2.4 2.3 2.0 2.2 2.4
Max SC Turbo 3.6 3.5 3.2 3.2 3.4
Max DC Turbo 3.5 3.4 3.1 3.1 3.3
Max QC Turbo 3.4 3.3 3.0 2.9 3.2
TDP 47W 47W 47W 37W 47W
HD Graphics Iris Pro 5200 Iris Pro 5200 Iris Pro 5200 4600 4600
GPU Clock 200-1300 200-1300 200-1200 400-1150 400-1150
L3 Cache 6MB 6MB 6MB 6MB 6MB
DDR3/DDR3L 1600 1600 1600 1600 1600
vPro/TXT/VT-d Yes Yes No No No
Intel SBA No No Yes Yes Yes
Price $657 $468

Model Core i7-4930MQ Core i7-4900MQ Core i7-4800MQ Core i7-4702MQ Core i7-4700MQ
Cores/Threads 4/8 4/8 4/8 4/8 4/8
CPU Base Freq 3.0 2.8 2.7 2.2 2.4
Max SC Turbo 3.9 3.8 3.7 3.2 3.4
Max DC Turbo 3.8 3.7 3.6 3.1 3.3
Max QC Turbo 3.7 3.6 3.5 2.9 3.2
TDP 57W 47W 47W 37W 47W
HD Graphics 4600 4600 4600 4600 4600
GPU Clock 400-1350 400-1300 400-1300 400-1150 400-1150
L3 Cache 8MB 8MB 6MB 6MB 6MB
DDR3/DDR3L 1600 1600 1600 1600 1600
vPro/TXT/VT-d No Yes Yes No No
Intel SBA No No No Yes Yes
Price $1096 $568 $378


the table got truncated, but here is the link
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7002/hit-the-road-jack-intels-mobile-quadcore-haswell-skus

I don't know. Will we have a disappointment at WWDC with no Mac laptops being refreshed?

 

[thunng8]

Quad-cores with Iris:

Core i7-4700HQ (GT3, 37W) base 13" rMBP
Core i7-4702HQ (GT3, 37W) opt for base 13"rMBP

Unfortunately, both the i7-4700HQ and i7-4702HQ have HD4600.

Also, the i7-4700HQ is 47W, not 37W.

Core i7-4850HQ (2.3 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 5200, 47W) base 15" rMBP
Core i7-4950HQ (2.4 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache, HD 5200, 47W) opt 15"rMBP

If they did this it would be a no increase or even a slight decrease in CPU performance compared to the current Ivy Bridge 15" rMBP (current ivy runs at 2.4/2.7 and optional 2.8Ghz) and quite a large decrease in GPU performance from the Nvidia 650m. I just don't see this happening

Here is a list of Haswell mobile processors:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7002/hit-the-road-jack-intels-mobile-quadcore-haswell-skus

 

[skaertus]

If they did this it would be a no increase or even a slight decrease in CPU performance compared to the current Ivy Bridge 15" rMBP (current ivy runs at 2.4/2.7 and optional 2.8Ghz) and quite a large decrease in GPU performance from the Nvidia 650m. I just don't see this happening

Here is a list of Haswell mobile processors:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7002/hit-the-road-jack-intels-mobile-quadcore-haswell-skus

I don't know how the 2.3 and 2.4 GHz Haswell compares to the 2.4 and 2.7 Ivy Bridge. Perhaps they are about the same.

As for the video card, Apple will certainly put a dedicated GPU in the 15" rMBP. It just doesn't make sense for it to keep the integrated graphics card alone.

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ss_i_3_11?k=macbook+pro+retina&sprefix=MacBook+pro

Look at the stock! Does this reassure you haha.

Nice to know that.

Here in Brazil, I just can't find any rMBP for sale apart from the online Apple Store (there are no Apple retail stores here in the country). There were some rMBPs in a FastShop nearby, but there aren't anymore. But it's not necessarily because of a near refresh. rMBPs are so expensive here in Brazil (they cheapest 13" model runs for US$ 3,000) that sales are probably very low, and stores shouldn't be keeping large stocks of it. And Apple laptops usually take about one to two months to be refreshed here in Brazil after their release in the US. Anyway, stocks are running very low, and I just couldn't find one to buy should I want one now.

In the US, I don't see stocks of the rMBP running low. There seems to be plenty of availability for it, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Lunfai]

Most certainly Intel or Anandtech has posted the wrong details, if you look on the chart on: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7002/hit-the-road-jack-intels-mobile-quadcore-haswell-skus

I just don't see how there is a difference with HQ/MQ of 4700/4702 counterparts. They have same cache, clock speeds, everything. The information doesn't seem accurate.

Doing some further information I found a website listing the 4702HQ. I don't know how reliable this is, but it's 4702HQ is listed with a 5200 here but the watt is wrong as its should be 37: http://pcwit.en.alibaba.com/product/848330572-218230326/Intel_Core_i7_4702HQ_Processor_CPU.html