If you look here (http://pcwit.en.alibaba.com/product/848334698-218230326/Intel_Core_i7_4700HQ_Processor_CPU.html), it says that the i7-4700hq has an HD 5200 video card.
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If you look here (http://pcwit.en.alibaba.com/product/848334698-218230326/Intel_Core_i7_4700HQ_Processor_CPU.html), it says that the i7-4700hq has an HD 5200 video card.
I updated my post, just doesn't seem right does it? I believe it'll boast a 5100 or 5200. I wouldn't be surprised if HQ will be the range that'll have Iris Pro.
The unannounced MQs will most likely be candidates in the macbooks and will pack 5000/5100's. Although 4702HQ should be delicious.
Also the site notes it's 47 watt, so I'm not sure.
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http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012122901_Intel_Haswell_processors_to_launch_in_May_or_June.html
This thread notes that the 4700/4702HQ pack the Iris Pro, further evidence.
Logical thinking would preclude the i7-4700hq having the hd5200.
The i7-4950hq has the CPU clocked at 2.4ghz with hd5200 and that part costs $658. The i7-4700hq is also clocked at 2.4ghz. If that is the case, what is the difference between them? Why would you even buy the top the super expensive CPU when the i7-4700hq is exactly the same?
Looks to me that the turbo is higher, no Intel SBA (which supports the target audience; power users) and lastly it supports for vPro/TXT/VT-d.
So parallels might not work? I'm not sure but I thought it relied on vPro to run VMs.
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You are grasping at straws here. The i7-4700hq with 5200 just doesn't make sense. For one thing it's base frequency is higher than the i7-4850hq.
Anyway, not to derail the thread, but even Intel's official slides say the i7-4700hq and i7-4702hq has the hd4600
And also here where anand say there will be another 5200 haswell chip coming in q3.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/19
"A slower 2GHz i7-4750HQ will follow sometime in Q3"
Hmm, you could well be right but I've also made some other acknowledgements in my edited post. I just don't see how 4700/2 (MQ/HQ) differ at all.
Also do you have a link to the slide? For the life of me I can't seem to find it again..
we do know some, I already posted here before, and here it is
http://www.cpu-world.com//news_2013...of_Intel_Core_i7-4650U_and_i5-4350U_CPUs.html
thanks
and they are, the 4700 and 4702 substitute the 3600 sku, AKA OEM cpus
MQ stands for socket, HQ for BGA, the 4750HQ on the other hand does sport the 5200
Me too, according to this:
There are 6 missing M cpus according to cpu world, 13 in total, that is just like more than 33% of haswell cpus
and surely I hope that they do kill the dual cores standard voltage, they serve no practical reason anymore aside being cheap and thrown at a lot of notebooks out there, the power difference from a ULV is too small.
from what was released so far, we still have to pay attention at june 4th, there, they will officially launch, and we might fill a lot of blanks
from what we have so far, the only cpu RIGHT NOW available is for the 15 and the 4702 for the 13
Quite possible, we will know on tuesday
anand has a very close relationship with intel, publishing those things without planning is really bad for their business, so I take that they did with care
and we get the same thing from ars
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...l-announces-first-4th-generation-core-cpus/2/
those look like official intel slides
they are probably mistaking that with the 4750HQ
thats very old news and not reliable anymore, much like that slide I posted above
that is one way of seeing this, and specially given that the 4750HQ comes in a 2.0 base clock...
vPRO servers very specific reasons in the VM world, none are used by any apple apps that I know, simply because for it to work, you have to have a cpu that comes with it, a supported chipset AND be enabled on BIOS/EFI, which in the last case it aint on apple notebooks
Thanks! The Ars charts were more clear then Anandtechs, I see the HQ supports vPro. They just marked it off because they don't support TXT on that chart
also, Anandtech did mistaken the 4930MX for MQ in an earlier edition of the post , but everyone makes mistakes.Yeah it's certain it won't pack a 5200 as I find ARS to be the most reliable source out here.
Thanks! The Ars charts were more clear then Anandtechs, I see the HQ supports vPro. They just marked it off because they don't support TXT on that chart
Yeah it's certain it won't pack a 5200 as I find ARS to be the most reliable source out here.
your welcome, I saw that mistake as well, the chart was wrong but the text was right
sigh, I really think intel should stop letting the loompa loompas (aka engineers) give the names and the nomenclature for the cpus, its hard enough to learn almost everything new from iteration to iteration, they at least started posting a semi useful pic explaining the nomenclature, I wish that they actually explained the ULV one, that is one I never could really poke my fingers on, probable lack of interest
Haha yeah! You really like using nomenclature, I remember googling that about two years ago because I didn't understand the context, and the word was bugging me.
I just don't see why they can't revise the name schemes to something much more easier to decipher. All these numbers seem unnecessary.
Yes, the 3847U. Jesus why can they use name them like i5-4-U1-17. The god awful (name) 17 watt processors are given XXX7.
What would you recommend for someone who does lots of video editing (and therefore needs storage)?
New HASWELL 15" MBP
- remove main HDD and replace with 960GB SSD (crucial)
- remove optibay and replace with 960GB SSD (crucial)
- replace default 4gb ram with 16gb
OR
Get a New HASWELL 15" retina MBP?
New HASWELL 15" MBP
- remove main HDD and replace with 960GB SSD (crucial)
- remove optibay and replace with 960GB SSD (crucial)
- replace default 4gb ram with 16gb
OR
Get a New HASWELL 15" retina MBP?
Workstation rMBP?
Hello everyone! As a freelance Architect i am hoping that at some point we could see a trully professional-grade rMBP. I'm not implying that there is something wrong with the rMBP's that exist already, but an extra "punch" of power would be really helpfull in my segment (CAD-3D Visualisation-post production editing etc). So do you think that apple could keep the shape and thickness of the previous MBP's (not rMBP), and instead of the disk drive to place a better heat dissipation system in order to accomodate a more powerfull GPU, like an 770M-780M or even a Quadro one? In few words we are talking about a workstation retina MBP into the form factor of the previous MPB's. Thanks
Hello everyone! As a freelance Architect i am hoping that at some point we could see a trully professional-grade rMBP. I'm not implying that there is something wrong with the rMBP's that exist already, but an extra "punch" of power would be really helpfull in my segment (CAD-3D Visualisation-post production editing etc). So do you think that apple could keep the shape and thickness of the previous MBP's (not rMBP), and instead of the disk drive to place a better heat dissipation system in order to accomodate a more powerfull GPU, like an 770M-780M or even a Quadro one? In few words we are talking about a workstation retina MBP into the form factor of the previous MPB's. Thanks
Are you sure about this? Even Anand didn't seem convinced about the 4702HQ and 4700HQ specs in his review:
"What I’m not quite getting is the role the 4702HQ and 4700HQ are supposed to fill; they’re still equipped with HD 4600 graphics, just like their MQ relatives, so we’ve asked Intel for clarification. Best guess right now: the MQ and HQ parts are different packages, so the 470xHQ chips are lower-echelon offerings for OEMs/users that don’t necessarily need/want Iris Pro 5200"
Some other sources have indicated that HQ means HD5200 GPU (although prior to yesterdays embargo being lifted), perhaps Anand has it the wrong way around and HQ means inclusion of Crystalwell die on the package, and slight clocking down of the CPU bring down the total package TDP?:
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2013/..._i7-4850HQ_and_i7-4950HQ_CPUs_in_Q3_2013.html
If 4702HQ and 4700HQ are indeed HD5200, could these be candidates for the rMBP 13 as some have already said?
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Apple haven't even been interested in making a professional grade desktop workstation (Mac Pro Desktop), let alone a notebook.
They're almost entirely focused on consumer products now... lighter, slimmer, sexier. I can't see them making mac book "chunky power beast".
I think Iris Pro might be useful on Xeon, too. But they would need to rethink the packaging.
Those sources are wrong. Official Intel slides says both the 4702HQ and the 4700HQ are HD4600. The H actually stand for what socket the chip is on, not that it has Iris Pro graphics.
The HQs seem to be BGA (soldered), the MQ variants are PGA (socketed) according to ARK. (Also no VT-d for the 4700MQ and the 4702MQ. The 4700HQ also has slightly higher GPU turbo frequency than the 4700MQ.)
Compared to ARK, the alibaba link has wrong TDP, wrong package size, wrong socket and wrong GPU. Intel must be very confused wrt its own CPUs if alibaba is right.
http://ark.intel.com/products/75119/Intel-Core-i7-4702MQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/75118/Intel-Core-i7-4702HQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/75117/Intel-Core-i7-4700MQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/75116/Intel-Core-i7-4700HQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz
Edit: Ah, seems like I missed that there was another page. Well, I guess the ARK links could be useful at least…
You're right. So given those, the rMBP base model may stay as the current Ivy Bridge i5 with HD4000 and upper model will be Haswell i7 with HD4600 perhaps?
Or we won't see rMBP 13 upgrades at all at WWDC?
It won't use ivybridge therefore there will be no update if that's the case. BUT, a handful of processors are missing from the ARK database and there are several unannounced MQ chips. 6, I believe, Mr.MM mentioned this.
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Hmm. Thanks for the links.
Yes makes sense, since Haswell will require the logic board to be updated, and Apple will be manufacturing a single platform.
So the picture is getting clearer, we might be looking at a base model with an as yet unannounced i5 Haswell (maybe dual, maybe quad core), and perhaps the upper model is a quad core i7-4702HQ?
Looks like it's becoming evident the rMBP 13 won't be getting Iris though, only HD4600.
EDIT: in fact, could the base model rMBP 13 get i5-4570T:
http://ark.intel.com/products/75045/Intel-Core-i5-4570T-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz
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Maybe not Iris Pro. But I think the six unnannounced chips will be GT3, which is normal Iris (5000/5100).
We could see an Iris Pro MQ chip, but I wouldn't be shocked if we saw 2 chips that would pack Iris.
47 watt: i5-4XXX-MQ with 5000/5100
37 watt: i5-4XXX-MQ with 5000/5100
Maybe; an i7 with 5000/5100. Not sure. And I'm sure there will be another set of two which will be similar to those but with higher clock frequency. (Likely candidates to be upgrade components).
As for the i5-4570T, it's a desktop processor and apparently they don't support s0ix, so it is rather unlikely.
What I've been wondering lately is if there are cTDP down modes for the GT3e parts, which could possibly enable them to be used in the 13" rMBP. Any info on that anyone? It may be cost prohibitive though, so perhaps on the high end only.
You are REALLY excited aren't ya
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