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I hope the best feature of the next rMBP is *not* battery life

No kidding huh? It will at least be better Wifi and SSd performance - so some speed increase I think. But given the opportunity for efficiency and cost savings...I think we need to be prepared with the doom and gloom of things like an iGPU only offering...but then I keep hope for a 17" with all the trimmings :D
 
Haswell pro battery life

The rMBP obviously requires more power consumption than the air but it also has a much larger battery. So if the air was able to jump to 12 hours , why wouldn't the retina as well?
 
The rMBP obviously requires more power consumption than the air but it also has a much larger battery. So if the air was able to jump to 12 hours , why wouldn't the retina as well?

Cus the amount of battery size increased is not proportional to the amount the retina screen drains, in comparison to the MBA's display
 
As someone with a 9400 GPU, I'd be happy to "suffer" the "downgrade" to 5200 graphics!

This is exactly how I feel. I have a mid-2009 15" MBP that needs replacing.

Everyone compares the next rMBP to the last one but Apples target buyer isn't the owner of the current MBP but the owner of a 3-5 year old MBP who is ready for a new one.
 
That's probably due to your usage.

I've gained at least an extra hour of working time on my 15" rMBP with Mavericks.

Somewhat, perhaps, although I'm idle a lot, so I'd think timer coalescing would improve things for me at least noticeably. That hasn't been the case.
 
Somewhat, perhaps, although I'm idle a lot, so I'd think timer coalescing would improve things for me at least noticeably. That hasn't been the case.

I think timer coalescing makes the biggest difference when you are doing stuff. Isn't it's purpose to make the processor idle more by bunching calculations together? If your already idle, then that won't do as much, right? maybe i'm oversimplifying things a ton...

(note that I am not a developer nor have I used mavericks at all. I am basing this off of what i understand from the keynote, articles, and such.
 
I think timer coalescing makes the biggest difference when you are doing stuff. Isn't it's purpose to make the processor idle more by bunching calculations together? If your already idle, then that won't do as much, right? maybe i'm oversimplifying things a ton...

(note that I am not a developer nor have I used mavericks at all. I am basing this off of what i understand from the keynote, articles, and such.

I probably shouldn't have used the word idle. Where coalescing works is with grouping various low load tasks together—because doing so allows it to have truly idle cycles. What I meant by "idle" was periods of time where I'm not doing much, but where there are the usual background processes going on. And those are the perfect times for coalescing.
 
I hope the best feature of the next rMBP is *not* battery life

I kind of hope it is. Funny, huh. We all want different things. Who would have thunk it...

It is a portable computer... just saying is all.

But you know we are getting a slightly better processor, possibly thinner and perhaps a bit lighter along with better wifi and SSD. So as another poster mentioned, for those with last year's machines, you shouldn't concern yourself with this upgrade. It's more for us folks with older machines. And if you really need a dedicated GPU (if the new one doesn't have it) then get last year's kit. It's still a stonking machine and it'll be even cheaper!

Seems to me that a few posters are investing way too much time and stress into this speculation malarkey!
 
If you really need a dedicated GPU (if the new one doesn't have it) then get last year's kit. It's still a stonking machine and it'll be even cheaper!

Seems to me that a few posters are investing way too much time and stress into this speculation malarkey!

I'm an American consumer with high expectations and low patience. I'm not going to buy last years tech just because this years tech didn't meet the quota. I'm going to buy this years tech and pout and complain about it the entire time :D. So yes, it is going to cause time and stress ;)
 
i couldnt wait any longer. bought the 13" macbook pro retina i5.
now that im using it though, it feels a little small =( . 15" is the perfect size if only it wasnt so darn expensive.

Hey Phillyfan. You enjoying the Dodger series? Man, you guys are fundamentally unsound. Anyway, here's the thing. I'm guessing you'll be keeping this computer for a few years. And you are already expressing regrets. You sound like a 15" man, like I am. Now you already spent a lot of money, and your a little unsatisfied. That feeling is only going to grow. NOBODY should spend $1500 and be unhappy. Not even a Philly fan. While you still can I suggest you bring that computer back and scrape together a few dollars and get what you really want. I keep hearing about deals on "15ers going for $1600. Refurbs and otherwise. And you KNOW when the Haswells come out the prices on the current machines are going to sink like a Stone. Dude, you've spent a lot of money, you deserve to be happy.

Enjoy tonight's game. Kershaw is pitching, you're in a world of trouble⚾⚾⚾
 
i couldnt wait any longer. bought the 13" macbook pro retina i5.
now that im using it though, it feels a little small =( . 15" is the perfect size if only it wasnt so darn expensive.

You are a savvy and budget conscious man!!! :). Congrats. No regrets no remorses. You made the right decision. Many Apple consumers behave like sheep: They buy a laptop that has equal or better specs than their neighbor's one, but at the end they use less than 50% of its capabilities. In :apple: world, most of the time, trying to look cool is a waste of money...

If it feels small then connect it to an external 24" or 27" Dell Ultrasharp display (Best bang for the buck monitors) and use it in clamshell or dual mode if you like to stare at your crispy built-in screen... :D

Enjoy! :D
 
Somewhat, perhaps, although I'm idle a lot, so I'd think timer coalescing would improve things for me at least noticeably. That hasn't been the case.

It's not battery life while idle that improved for me. It's battery life while actually working. It seems like Apple did implement an on-demand screen update feature that completely turns off screen updates for applications that are not displaying to the screen. As a result, I'm running the same number of applications as before, but I'm getting some hours more battery life... especially when the dGPU is on while running applications like Photoshop.

I kind of hope it is. Funny, huh. We all want different things. Who would have thunk it...

It is a portable computer... just saying is all.

But you know we are getting a slightly better processor, possibly thinner and perhaps a bit lighter along with better wifi and SSD. So as another poster mentioned, for those with last year's machines, you shouldn't concern yourself with this upgrade. It's more for us folks with older machines. And if you really need a dedicated GPU (if the new one doesn't have it) then get last year's kit. It's still a stonking machine and it'll be even cheaper!

Seems to me that a few posters are investing way too much time and stress into this speculation malarkey!

Slight better processor... not really. You're getting the very same performance numbers as last year's model because your clock speeds are limited.

Possibly thinner? No... unless you want the same amount of battery life as last year. This isn't the iPad.

A bit lighter? Same as above.

Better WIFI? It'll only matter if you have to transfer files a lot. Your internet speed likely won't get any faster. And even if it does, your connections to most websites still wouldn't matter because people are cheap and they don't want to pay so that you can load their websites 0.1s faster.

Better SSD? Seriously? The new Haswell MacBook Air already has that faster SSD. But aside from spewing out higher numbers in benchmark, I don't think it actually does anything substantial to improve day to day usage. Current SSD is already saturating the needs of most people.

And last but not least, even before the Haswell refresh hits, you can get a refurb 15" rMBP with dedicated GPU and 7 hours of battery life for $1599. Right now. That's $500 off the price tag.

Ultimately, is the very same machine with possibly 1-2 hours of extra battery life doing nothing on the desktop... worth $500 extra for you?

It's not about the folks who already got their rMBPs. It's about which one offers the better bang for your bucks.
 
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It's not battery life while idle that improved for me. It's battery life while actually working. It seems like Apple did implement an on-demand screen update feature that completely turns off screen updates for applications that are not displaying to the screen. As a result, I'm running the same number of applications as before, but I'm getting some hours more battery life... especially when the dGPU is on while running applications like Photoshop.



Slight better processor... not really. You're getting the very same performance numbers as last year's model because your clock speeds are limited.

Possibly thinner? No... unless you want the same amount of battery life as last year. This isn't the iPad.

A bit lighter? Same as above.

Better WIFI? It'll only matter if you have to transfer files a lot. Your internet speed likely won't get any faster. And even if it does, your connections to most websites still wouldn't matter because people are cheap and they don't want to pay so that you can load their websites 0.1s faster.

Better SSD? Seriously? The new Haswell MacBook Air already has that faster SSD. But aside from spewing out higher numbers in benchmark, I don't think it actually does anything substantial to improve day to day usage. Current SSD is already saturating the needs of most people.

And last but not least, even before the Haswell refresh hits, you can get a refurb 15" rMBP with dedicated GPU and 7 hours of battery life for $1599. Right now. That's $500 off the price tag.

Ultimately, is the very same machine with possibly 1-2 hours of extra battery life doing nothing on the desktop... worth $500 extra for you?

It's not about the folks who already got their rMBPs. It's about which one offers the better bang for your bucks.



This may have just swung it for me !
 
This may have just swung it for me !

Except these people reading the tea leaves.. don't really know... Albeit they are making a fairly educated guess...the most telling that something unexpected is coming is the delay...
 
Cus the amount of battery size increased is not proportional to the amount the retina screen drains, in comparison to the MBA's display

but both the Air and Retina offered the same battery life on previous models. so why wouldn't that trend stick? if they both got 7 hours on sandy bridge they should both get 12 hours on haswell
 
Slight better processor... not really. You're getting the very same performance numbers as last year's model because your clock speeds are limited.

Possibly thinner? No... unless you want the same amount of battery life as last year. This isn't the iPad.

A bit lighter? Same as above.

Better WIFI? It'll only matter if you have to transfer files a lot. Your internet speed likely won't get any faster. And even if it does, your connections to most websites still wouldn't matter because people are cheap and they don't want to pay so that you can load their websites 0.1s faster.

Better SSD? Seriously? The new Haswell MacBook Air already has that faster SSD. But aside from spewing out higher numbers in benchmark, I don't think it actually does anything substantial to improve day to day usage. Current SSD is already saturating the needs of most people.

And last but not least, even before the Haswell refresh hits, you can get a refurb 15" rMBP with dedicated GPU and 7 hours of battery life for $1599. Right now. That's $500 off the price tag.

Ultimately, is the very same machine with possibly 1-2 hours of extra battery life doing nothing on the desktop... worth $500 extra for you?

It's not about the folks who already got their rMBPs. It's about which one offers the better bang for your bucks.

Relax, mate. You're getting worked up over vaporware at the moment. Notice I did say possibly and perhaps?
 
And last but not least, even before the Haswell refresh hits, you can get a refurb 15" rMBP with dedicated GPU and 7 hours of battery life for $1599. Right now. That's $500 off the price tag.

Ultimately, is the very same machine with possibly 1-2 hours of extra battery life doing nothing on the desktop... worth $500 extra for you?

It's not about the folks who already got their rMBPs. It's about which one offers the better bang for your bucks.

Not to be picky, but it's actually $600 less (off the $2199 list price), which makes it an even BETTER deal!
 
The 13" cMBP had only one fan. The 13" rMBP has two fans. You could easily remove one fan, make the unibody construction thinner and put a battery where the 2nd fan would be and get even more battery life than the 2013 Macbook Air. And this is even without Mavericks.

OR Apple decides that instead of thinner/lighter they make it more powerful and keep the current design.
If they would do that they could get an Iris Pro 5200 in it.

I would prefer a 5200 instead of the 5100 (of the leaked 13" rMBP) but looking at benchmarks the 5200 isn't substantially better than a 5100 (at least when it comes to gaming) so i think Apple (being an aesthetics company) is more likely to go with the thinner/lighter option.
 
The 13" cMBP had only one fan. The 13" rMBP has two fans. You could easily remove one fan, make the unibody construction thinner and put a battery where the 2nd fan would be and get even more battery life than the 2013 Macbook Air. And this is even without Mavericks.

OR Apple decides that instead of thinner/lighter they make it more powerful and keep the current design.
If they would do that they could get an Iris Pro 5200 in it.

I would prefer a 5200 instead of the 5100 (of the leaked 13" rMBP) but looking at benchmarks the 5200 isn't substantially better than a 5100 (at least when it comes to gaming) so i think Apple (being an aesthetics company) is more likely to go with the thinner/lighter option.
we dont have any benchies in games for the 5100, since it hasnt arrived in any notebooks thus far.
 
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