Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[sososowhat]

Boom.

Uh... read again. It says "not only new iPhones", not "no new iPhones"

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There wouldn't be 5000+ messages in this thread if we knew

This guy http://www.stableytimes.com/news/macbook-pro-haswell-2013-and-mac-pro-release-date-news/7911/ makes a good point: Probably not long after September 6 it would seem, given Apple's $100 incentive to buy a MBP expires on that date. At any rate, they're working hard to clear out the stock of current laptops.

BTW, I found his whole article pretty well thought out.

 

[polymersayb]

Plus, if they are dropping the dGPU on the 15", best keep it quiet (unless there is a redesign that shrinks the chassis even more, but I'd suspect they would save that for a future generation when they also trim off some of the bezel with IGZO displays, which likely won't be included in this refresh unless we see a price bump).

On the contrary, I feel like they'd like to get up in front of everyone and tell them how awesome it is not to have a dGPU. Most people don't care about the difference so just hearing from Apple that it's better will make them completely ignore anyone who tries to tell them otherwise.

Now I don't think they're going to spend a lot of time on the Macs (just Phil getting up and saying "we'd like to show you our latest release of the rMBP" before they then go all out on iPhones and iOS), but I don't think they'll keep it silent. They want people to see that one little sentence in the CNN iPhone(-bashing, probably) article "oh btw Apple also released a new laptop" because then they go look at the laptop selection too.

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I'm no longer waiting for the haswell 13" retina.

Now I'm waiting for the haswell 15" retina
Thank you

If they'd been released in June I'd have gotten the 13", but now I'm getting the 15" as well. I saw the light!

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No. You just got lucky, the same way some people I know still get lucky with broken screens.

Apple's policy had never covered accidental damage.

As eneisch mentions, the only AppleCare option for iPhones and iPads in the US is AppleCare+ (plus), which does in fact cover accidental damage. They do not offer AppleCare+ on Macs.

 

[PDFierro]

On the contrary, I feel like they'd like to get up in front of everyone and tell them how awesome it is not to have a dGPU. Most people don't care about the difference so just hearing from Apple that it's better will make them completely ignore anyone who tries to tell them otherwise.

Now I don't think they're going to spend a lot of time on the Macs (just Phil getting up and saying "we'd like to show you our latest release of the rMBP" before they then go all out on iPhones and iOS), but I don't think they'll keep it silent. They want people to see that one little sentence in the CNN iPhone(-bashing, probably) article "oh btw Apple also released a new laptop" because then they go look at the laptop selection too.

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If they'd been released in June I'd have gotten the 13", but now I'm getting the 15" as well. I saw the light!

If anything this extra time have given us some of us time to think on which configuration to go with. I've always been decided on 13, but I've been really assessing the amount of storage space I'll need, etc.

 

[Pentad]

September 10 is beginning to look very promising for rMBPs. It makes sense to spread the Mac updates (iMac, Mac Mini, Mac Pro, rMBP) over 2 events.

iPhone and rMBPs - sept.
iPad and Mac Pros - oct.

You could then have the other updates as silent to appear online after either one of the events. Fingers crossed!

(I realise that many others have predicted this, I just wanted to reiterate).

Why would Apple not release iDevices together and Mac devices together? That makes much more sense than iPhone and MBPrs followed by iPads and MPs...

 

[polymersayb]

Keynotes are a precious commodity. Apple isn't going to 'waste' them on only Macs anymore. It's not 2005. The press and public is bored with computers. Haswell is great but it's not going to change that. IMHO Apple won't risk disappointing the press and the public with a Mac only keynote any time soon. Macs may get a mention in a keynote that is primarily about something else, meaning iPad or iPhone. Sad but true these days.

They actually had an all-Mac/OSX event in 2010. But I agree with you fully: Apple will probably only make a quick Mac announcement before talking about iPhones/iPads for 1.5 hours just to set the mood and make everyone on this thread happy.

I'm (wishfully) thinking September is rMBP/iPhone/iOS7, and October is iPad/Mac Pro/Mavericks/Mac apps. iMacs and Mac minis can probably fit in either event, or even just be quietly upgraded. (I didn't check if there's a 5600 post waiting-for-Haswell-iMac thread though—sorry if I made anyone upset )

 

[PDFierro]

Why would Apple not release iDevices together and Mac devices together? That makes much more sense than iPhone and MBPrs followed by iPads and MPs...

If the rMBP is ready to be released, Apple isn't just going to delay it another month for that reason.

 

[Blue Sun]

Why would Apple not release iDevices together and Mac devices together? That makes much more sense than iPhone and MBPrs followed by iPads and MPs...

The iDevices get the most love and attention from the average consumer, why not mix the announcements together to net better exposure for the Macs?

 

[polymersayb]

Why would Apple not release iDevices together and Mac devices together? That makes much more sense than iPhone and MBPrs followed by iPads and MPs...

Because we already know that the iPhone event is September 10 and the iPad event is not September 10.

The Loop's Jim Dalrymple has confirmed that there will be no iPads introduced at Apple's September 10 iPhone media event.

Dalrymple is legit. He gets word straight from Apple.

Also, no one besides us cares about the Mac releases anymore, and haven't for several years.

 

[radiohead14]

This guy http://www.stableytimes.com/news/macbook-pro-haswell-2013-and-mac-pro-release-date-news/7911/ makes a good point: Probably not long after September 6 it would seem, given Apple's $100 incentive to buy a MBP expires on that date. At any rate, they're working hard to clear out the stock of current laptops.

BTW, I found his whole article pretty well thought out.

ha.. what's with this line from that article though? "The new 2013 Mac Pro tower-cum-cylinder, which Apple teased at WWDC, is the most powerful personal computer in history."

 

[polymersayb]

Uh... read again. It says "not only new iPhones", not "no new iPhones"

It says "No iPads" September 10.

Here it says yep iPhones September 10.

 

[mneblett]

HD5200 integrated is not a dedicated graphics card. No matter hpw much apple wants to twist their tongue. Integrated will never be good as Dedicated graphics card. This is a fact of life.

LMFAO. you wish it was powerful as much as 780m.

Blind fanboysm leads to delusion, I see.

Not fanboy-ism -- I've been an MS-DOS/Windows guy since the late '70's, and dabbling in the Mac world since ~2001. I owe no one any loyalty.

And he wasn't saying an igpu is going to be as strong as a 780m -- just pointing out your blanket statement (focusing on the presence or absence of a single piece of hardware, rather than actual performance) wasn't, um, brilliant.

At least now, a dgpu is still ahead of an igpu -- but the gap is clearly closing. A dgpu will likely always be ahead, but once the performance is satisfactory for virtually the entire customer base, who cares whether the gpu is on or off the CPU silicon?

From Apple's point of view the question isn't "what's the ultimate best video performance we can stick in there?" (it never has been), it's "what's the best thing we can put in there (above a minimum performance level that satisfies as much of the customer base as possible) that is consistent with our desired battery life/thermals/weight/etc. targets?"

You may not like it, but the fact is that igpu's are getting pretty dam* good, and there's not much reason for Apple to keep dgpu's around if igpu's are not _significantly_ less powerful than dgpu's -- too many other advantages to be had to ignore. Need more (e.g, top end gaming)? Windows machines are waiting for you.

 

[GSPice]

Uh... read again. It says "not only new iPhones", not "no new iPhones"

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Uh, read again, then again. The guy asked how we know there's no iPads. Jim D confirms with a "nope" "no iPads"

It was desperately clear.

 

[sonyisawesome]

Not fanboy-ism -- I've been an MS-DOS/Windows guy since the late '70's, and dabbling in the Mac world since ~2001. I owe no one any loyalty.

And he wasn't saying an igpu is going to be as strong as a 780m -- just pointing out your blanket statement (focusing on the presence or absence of a single piece of hardware, rather than actual performance) wasn't, um, brilliant.

At least now, a dgpu is still ahead of an igpu -- but the gap is clearly closing. A dgpu will likely always be ahead, but once the performance is satisfactory for virtually the entire customer base, who cares whether the gpu is on or off the CPU silicon?

From Apple's point of view the question isn't "what's the ultimate best video performance we can stick in there?" (it never has been), it's "what's the best thing we can put in there (above a minimum performance level that satisfies as much of the customer base as possible) that is consistent with our desired battery life/thermals/weight/etc. targets?"

You may not like it, but the fact is that igpu's are getting pretty dam* good, and there's not much reason for Apple to keep dgpu's around if igpu's are not _significantly_ less powerful than dgpu's -- too many other advantages to be had to ignore. Need more (e.g, top end gaming)? Windows machines are waiting for you.

And that still warrants a price tag of $2,000 + because of WHAT exactly?

And you proved my point that integrated will never be good as dedicated. Anyone who does 3D rendering and play games will ditch this machine in favor of Windows. Apple is shooting themselves in the foot by not adding dedicated card. For some reason, you fanboys wants to argue in favor of that.

Integrated graphics card is getting better but it still even falls apart compared to other dedicated mobile gpus. Your argument is weak.

 

[ohbrilliance]

For some reason, you fanboys wants to argue in favor of that.

If you fail to understand others' reasons then you haven't thought hard enough. Some of us 'pros' (people that make money from their Macs) don't need the latest and greatest graphics. For us, the potential extension of battery life and lower heat offered by ditching a dGPU, are good reasons to support it.
And please, 'fanboys' is a pretty immature word around here.

 

[sonyisawesome]

If you fail to understand others' reasons then you haven't thought hard enough. Some of us 'pros' (people that make money from their Macs) don't need the latest and greatest graphics. For us, the potential saving of battery life and lower heat with an iGPU, are good reasons to support it.

LMFAO, because "some of you money earning users" like you are the only ones who buy this laptop.

Your statement proves that the macbooks pro will not be geared towards to high-end 3D modelers and animators, and other people who uses macbook pro with graphical power. Let apple's market share shrink then.

And please, 'fanboys' is a pretty immature word around here.

Possibly because too many fanboys in this board got tired of hearing that word around here from others, eh? Don't blame me.

 

[ohbrilliance]

LMFAO, because "some of you money earning users" like you are the only ones who buy this laptop.

Your statement proves that the macbooks pro will not be geared towards to high-end 3D modelers and animators, and other people who uses macbook pro with graphical power. Let apple's market share shrink then.


Possibly because too many fanboys in this board got tired of hearing that word around here from others, eh? Don't blame me.

Call me selfish, but I'm looking for a machine that suits my needs. I am not particular concerned about your needs or Apple's market share. My only point was that some consumers do have reasons for preferring an iGPU-only option. The reasons may not suit you, but that doesn't make them any less valid than your needs. Having those reasons doesn't relegate them to being 'fanboys'. I personally get tired of the term because it's a lazy generalisation that adds nothing to the discussion.

 

[GSPice]

On the contrary, I feel like they'd like to get up in front of everyone and tell them how awesome it is not to have a dGPU. Most people don't care about the difference so just hearing from Apple that it's better will make them completely ignore anyone who tries to tell them otherwise.

Now I don't think they're going to spend a lot of time on the Macs (just Phil getting up and saying "we'd like to show you our latest release of the rMBP" before they then go all out on iPhones and iOS), but I don't think they'll keep it silent. They want people to see that one little sentence in the CNN iPhone(-bashing, probably) article "oh btw Apple also released a new laptop" because then they go look at the laptop selection too.

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If they'd been released in June I'd have gotten the 13", but now I'm getting the 15" as well. I saw the light!

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As eneisch mentions, the only AppleCare option for iPhones and iPads in the US is AppleCare+ (plus), which does in fact cover accidental damage. They do not offer AppleCare+ on Macs.

You're absolutely right. Some friends of mine have gotten lucky with nothing more than the standard warranty.

 

[sonyisawesome]

Call me selfish, but I'm looking for a machine that suits my needs. I am not particular concerned about your needs or Apple's market share.

I'm not concerned about your problems either or other fanboys, but the difference is that you responded to my post.

My only point was that some consumers do have reasons for preferring an iGPU-only option.

And some consumers don't. But apparently, you will have to leave this apple-friendly board in order to find the complains regarding new haswell model's missing d-gpu.

 

[GSPice]

I'm not concerned about your problems either or other fanboys, but the difference is that you responded to my post.


And some consumers don't. But apparently, you will have to leave this apple-friendly board in order to find the complains regarding new haswell model's missing d-gpu.

What the

 

[APPLE-FANATIC]

GEEZ!! Lets put the claws away and get back to a good discussion, folks!

 

[ohbrilliance]

[removed on Apple-fanatic's good suggestion]

 

[mneblett]

What the

I'm done responding to the troll ("sony is awesome"?? good grief).

If you don't agree that a dgpu is the be-all-to end-all, you're a fanboy.

With that logic, I'm not anticipating any thoughtful, or even semi-intelligent, discourse will ever be had with him/her.

 

[offgray]

GEEZ!! Lets put the claws away and get back to a good discussion, folks!

They're probably just getting catty because the September or October discussion is making them all antsy. (mixed animal adjectives ftw)

 

[mcarling]

Integrated will never be good as Dedicated graphics card. This is a fact of life.

That is complete nonsense. Almost all progress in integrated circuits comes from increased integration of the circuits. I can remember when the FPU was discrete, the memory controller was discrete, the clock circuitry was discrete, etc., etc. Performance has been improved by integrating all of them. Now it is time for graphics performance to be improved by integrating the GPU.

We're just a few years away from the time when no discrete GPU will be able to keep up with the fastest integrated GPUs that will then be available. The reason is simple. On-die communication between the CPU and GPU is faster than inter-chip communication.

As soon as (and perhaps even a bit before) discrete GPUs are completely dead, we'll begin to see the integration of the PCH (formerly South Bridge, more or less) into the CPU -- first as a separate die on the chip, then on-die.

The logical conclusion to the quasi-religious belief that discrete is better than integrated is to give up integrated circuits completely and go back to discrete transistors.

 

[sonyisawesome]

That is complete nonsense. Almost all progress in integrated circuits comes from increased integration of the circuits. I can remember when the FPU was discrete, the memory controller was discrete, the clock circuitry was discrete, etc., etc. Performance has been improved by integrating all of them. Now it is time for graphics performance to be improved by integrating the GPU.

We're just a few years away from the time when no discrete GPU will be able to keep up with the fastest integrated GPUs that will then be available. The reason is simple. On-die communication between the CPU and GPU is faster than inter-chip communication.

As soon as (and perhaps even a bit before) discrete GPUs are completely dead, we'll begin to see the integration of the PCH (formerly South Bridge, more or less) into the CPU -- first as a separate die on the chip, then on-die.

The logical conclusion to the quasi-religious believe that discrete is better than integrated is to give up integrated circuits completely and go back to discrete transistors.

Saw the benchmark, integrated iris pro 5200 still falls short compared to already outdated Nvidia GT 650m.
So go ahead and believe that integrated will be better than the dedicated. You are only fooling yourself.

Whenever I come to this board, it's like a twilight zone.