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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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I doubt this. Apple currently sells the iPhone 4 8GB for $0 on plan, and the iPhone 4S 16GB for $99 on plan. I would place the iPhone 5C with the same storage at the same price points. What happens with iPhone 5, I don't know.
I should clarify... I don't doubt that they'll sell plenty of IP5C's in the US. I mean that the US tech media and general blog world doesn't care for obvious reasons (it's a colorful plastic IP5). I'd think if you're holding a giant media event you don't want the response of every tech media site to be "meh," which it will be unless the 5S is packing some surprises (say, notable battery improvements to stay on this year's theme).
Calling All Bargain Hounds
Are there any avid refurb/clearance shoppers out there who can tell me how soon prices drop on previous gen machines after new models are announced?
From the borderline random pricing found on the refurb store, I get the impression refurbs don't necessarily follow any logical price drop "schedule"--though I'd love to be proven wrong.
And moreover, what does a standard non-refurb 'clearance' price drop look like on previous models?
Are there any avid refurb/clearance shoppers out there who can tell me how soon prices drop on previous gen machines after new models are announced?
From the borderline random pricing found on the refurb store, I get the impression refurbs don't necessarily follow any logical price drop "schedule"--though I'd love to be proven wrong.
And moreover, what does a standard non-refurb 'clearance' price drop look like on previous models?
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So one of my last post was on my dying early 2008 MBP. Now, its on my iPad. Get the point!!! I guess October it is. But first. Im on the 15" retina, 512Gb, 16gb of RAM and more than 30 mins of battery life Haswell dream machine. My last geekbench score was once 3312. Major upgrade for me coming. 
I guess it's bad news for us that Apple has just released Mavericks DP7, as many of us have linked the new MBP to Mavericks' release. If we got DP7 today, no way we're getting a release version next week.
I'm no longer a believer for a 9/10 MBP release. Sigh, October it is then? For my birthday (10/12), pretty please?
I'm no longer a believer for a 9/10 MBP release. Sigh, October it is then? For my birthday (10/12), pretty please?
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Come to think of it, October would work out pretty well. That's when the Discover 5% Cashback Bonus for "online shopping" starts. Also, I'm pretty sure Apple also provides another 5% cash back if you go to their site via Discover's, which means it'll come out to 10% off. It'll pay for sales tax, at least.
I always looked at the iPhone 5c as meaning "color" and "child". Not saying its bad. Just saying with the lower price point parents may be more willing to buy their pre-teen an iphone without the kids getting a dated phone. Maybe Apple wants to expand on the 3rd world and child market.
Come to think of it, October would work out pretty well. That's when the Discover 5% Cashback Bonus for "online shopping" starts. Also, I'm pretty sure Apple also provides another 5% cash back if you go to their site via Discover's, which means it'll come out to 10% off. It'll pay for sales tax, at least.
Actually, 5% off something already with 5% discount would be 9.75% discount
Actually, 5% off something already with 5% discount would be 9.75% discount
Which is close enough to 10%.
I always looked at the iPhone 5c as meaning "color" and "child". Not saying its bad. Just saying with the lower price point parents may be more willing to buy their pre-teen an iphone without the kids getting a dated phone. Maybe Apple wants to expand on the 3rd world and child market.
The percentage of people using iOS was decreasing over time since competition got harder and more and more people can afford smartphones. If apples sticks to their "premium" phone not offering anything in the lower market segment, they will lose even more share ending up at maybe 20%. Even if they still earn a lot of money with it, would you then as a developer prefere to develop an app for Android (70%) or iOS (20%) if you have to choose? Easy, that's why they have! to do it.
Back to topic, I just ordered a maxed out 13 air, since I don't believe in a september release anymore and I need a laptop.
If by full refresh you mean a complete redesign, don't they usually happen every 4 years? That leaves the next full refresh for the Macbook Pros in 2016
That was true during the PowerPC era. With a few exceptions (like the February 2013 rMBPs), updated Macs are released once per year following the release of new CPUs by Intel. Once every three to five years, there is a major redesign (such as last year's new rMBP and this year's new Mac Pro).
We know that the Mac Pro will get a major redesign this year. I think the chances are good that the Mac mini will get a major redesign with the form factor of the new Airport Extreme / Time Capsule. The iMac and MBP both were completely redesigned last year, so that won't happen again this year.
Out of curiosity, is anyone else considering an iMac and Macbook Air combo if the rMBP ends up being a disappointing upgrade?
Here are my reasons:
Here are my reasons:
- I want to move forward with my technology purchases and not settle for last year's model
- The price of the combo is not that much greater
- You can specialize in both portability and performance
- Get better specs with the iMac
- Keep the dGPU and a decent iGPU for on the go (speculation)
But you'll have NO retina... Just get one 13" retina to be mobile retina and one retina 15" to be mobile performance retina; then get one iMac to be performance without retina, but with future proof; then get the air to be really mobile; then get the mac pro to be REALLY performance (but no pro, cus pro's have things to plug in controllers) and you'll be good to go no matter what new haswell's model will bring to us. If you want to be real Pro... well this isn't possible..
Bottom line is: I just want my Haswell retina 13" with 256SSD and Mavericks...
The past two years I've been running an iMac and iPad 2 with logitech keyboard case combo. It worked really well for me- the iPad for word-processing and other low end tasks (A lot of people underestimate the iPad's functionality, and many do not use it to it's full potential), it also works as a great, intimate, display tool. Then I would use my iMac for more labour intensive jobs etc. For me it was the perfect combo, but due to space issues, I'm moving to rMBP.
For me, if I had an iMac and Air combo, the iMac would end up being redundant, power aside, the products, for me, are just too similar. I suppose it depends on what you would be using them for?
I have decided that the time has come for me to move over to the Mac side of the computing world. I have been a long time Windows user but a change in job role means I spend a lot if time on the train going into London and the HP laptop I have from work is far too bulky to take with me regularly. Unfortunately they wont buy me a more portable laptop so I have decided to buy my own and in doing so may as well get exactly what I want. This will be my first Mac so I am looking forward to it.
I am going to go for a 13inch rMBP for the portability. I don't do any graphics work but spend most of my time in Word, Excel and Visio.
There has been a lot of discussion around the 15inch rMBP with regard to the iGPU and dGPU but not much on the 13 inch. I don't for one second expect a dGPU option on the 13in for reasons that have been well covered in this thread but after looking at the new processor lineup from Intel I am wondering if there may be more than one option available from their iGPU lineup.
With the 2012 rMBP there was only the Intel 4000 graphics no matter which processor option you took as this was all that was available across the range in both i5 and the i7 upgrade. With the Haswell processors, if the thinking is correct then the i5-4258U and i5-4288U may be used as they seem like logical upgrades from the i5-3210M and i5-3230M in the current ones (I am not that knowledgeable with current CPUs so I may be off here). Both these Haswell processors have the Isis 5100 iGPU which is a nice improvement over the 4000.
The oddity occurs when looking at which processors they would use with the CPU upgrade option to an i7. The i7-4558U seems fairly logical as its a 28w dual core unit with an Isis 5100 iGPU. However when looking at the others there doesn't seem to be one that follows the current pattern. There are no other Isis 5100 i7 cpus and if you go to the Isis Pro 5200 you end up with 4 cores and at least 47W. If you need to stick at 2 cores then you are at best going to get the HD5000 iGPU. Is there any reason that Apple would give a cpu performance upgrade while decreasing the graphics capability of the machine?
There are a lot of assumptions here. Firstly is that CPUs with the Isis 5100 iGPUs will be used in the i5 range and that there is not going to be a 4 core processor option in the 13inch rMBP.
Having an Isis Pro 5200 option would be nice as I do a bit of gaming (Eve, Wow, Civ5) but nothing too GPU intensive but if its not there then that's ok as its the 13inch form factor that is more important to me.
What do people think? Am I way off the mark with what I am thinking or could we see a 4 core cpu in the 13inch rMBP?
I am going to go for a 13inch rMBP for the portability. I don't do any graphics work but spend most of my time in Word, Excel and Visio.
There has been a lot of discussion around the 15inch rMBP with regard to the iGPU and dGPU but not much on the 13 inch. I don't for one second expect a dGPU option on the 13in for reasons that have been well covered in this thread but after looking at the new processor lineup from Intel I am wondering if there may be more than one option available from their iGPU lineup.
With the 2012 rMBP there was only the Intel 4000 graphics no matter which processor option you took as this was all that was available across the range in both i5 and the i7 upgrade. With the Haswell processors, if the thinking is correct then the i5-4258U and i5-4288U may be used as they seem like logical upgrades from the i5-3210M and i5-3230M in the current ones (I am not that knowledgeable with current CPUs so I may be off here). Both these Haswell processors have the Isis 5100 iGPU which is a nice improvement over the 4000.
The oddity occurs when looking at which processors they would use with the CPU upgrade option to an i7. The i7-4558U seems fairly logical as its a 28w dual core unit with an Isis 5100 iGPU. However when looking at the others there doesn't seem to be one that follows the current pattern. There are no other Isis 5100 i7 cpus and if you go to the Isis Pro 5200 you end up with 4 cores and at least 47W. If you need to stick at 2 cores then you are at best going to get the HD5000 iGPU. Is there any reason that Apple would give a cpu performance upgrade while decreasing the graphics capability of the machine?
There are a lot of assumptions here. Firstly is that CPUs with the Isis 5100 iGPUs will be used in the i5 range and that there is not going to be a 4 core processor option in the 13inch rMBP.
Having an Isis Pro 5200 option would be nice as I do a bit of gaming (Eve, Wow, Civ5) but nothing too GPU intensive but if its not there then that's ok as its the 13inch form factor that is more important to me.
What do people think? Am I way off the mark with what I am thinking or could we see a 4 core cpu in the 13inch rMBP?
I'm thinking you are buying more machine than you need. Your stated use, and perhaps more importantly, your stated place of use (long train commuting) sounds like exactly what a MacBook Air is designed for.
I would like to suggest a visit to an Apple Store to check out the Haswell Airs -- their portability and long battery life would seem ideal for your needs (including good Iris (not Isis, btw) graphics), and they are already available.
1. It is iRis not iSis.
2. Quad Core is really unlikely. It differentiates the 13'' and 15'' Macbooks and second it seems that Apple is going for 28W CPUs. However the Quadcore Iris Pros are 47W
Lol. Not everyone needs Retina. I think people are either forgetting that the thread title is "Waiting for Haswell MBP..." and not "Waiting for Haswell rMBP..." OR that rumors about discontinuing the classic MBP are exactly that: still rumor, still speculation.
For a week, I had convinced myself that I need to have the amazing display but I've been dialing it down. Some people still want to have some semblance of "I can upgrade it later to keep up with the times... Ish." Which is why I'm now getting the cMBP even if isn't going to get Haswell. If it gets Haswell and it's a big enough upgrade, I'll get the Haswell version. If it gets Haswell but the upgrade is meh, I'll save myself a few hundred bucks and get the 2012 version. If it doesn't (which means they're phasing the cMBP line out), I'll obviously have to get the 2012 version but again, I'll be saving a few hundred dollars off the purchase.
Unless, of course, Apple slashes a few hundred bucks from the price of their Retina Models.... or makes the SSD upgrades cheaper. 128/256 isn't enough for me and paying for 512 at its current price is just way too much.
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oops I got it into my head it was Isis for some reason even though I have been looking at it all morning on the Intel website.
I had a look at the MacBook Airs and its very nice but I really want the retina display. Looking at the two next to each other it really made a difference to my eyes and the ability to have a lot of detail on the screen for some of the bigger visio diagrams is a real bonus.
I agree with the probably not getting a 47w cpu in the 13inch but I am struggling to see which CPU options they will have unless they go with the i5-4300M and i5-4330M processors which use the HD4600 so giving them an upgrade path without Iris iGPUs in the i7 which would seem a shame.
Hopefully the announcement will be on the 10th so we will know for sure.
Yeah I completely agree. I should have mentioned that I will wait for reviews to come out and then look into buying it. It's either the latest and greatest or get the last gen (current retina).
There's no way I'm gonna get it first day out haha.
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