Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[jz-]

Apple will release Mavericks when Mavericks is ready to be released. It has very little to do with when new Macs might be ready to be released. Apple won't hold up any releases by more than a few days for the sake of releasing things together.

It makes sense from a business perspective to do that, but I feel that Apple would delay releases by two or three weeks if it suited their release schedule. Surely last October the rMBPs, iMacs, iPads, Mac Minis and iPad Minis weren't all ready at exactly the same time? If there are new macs ready a fortnight before Mavericks is due, I think they'd hold them back to avoid having to release them with Mountain Lion and use the Mavericks GM instead.

Speaking of which, does Apple usually announce up-to-date programs for OS X when there aren't new Macs? I assumed they would have one regardless, but it looks like that's not the case this time.

 

[OllyW]

Speaking of which, does Apple usually announce up-to-date programs for OS X when there aren't new Macs? I assumed they would have one regardless, but it looks like that's not the case this time.

The up-to-date program will be announced with the release date for Mavericks.

 

[McFreggle]

Oh man, there is some kind of GOTO-loop in this thread.

I keep reading the same posts over and over and over again.

But you've probably read this before.

 

[mneblett]

You have to admit though we wouldn't have today's Macs if it weren't for the iPod..

Hadn't thought about that, but it gives me hope -- because it is exactly what happened with BMW. There would be no BMW automobiles if it weren't for BMW motorcycles, and today there wouldn't be any BMW motorcycles without BMW automobiles.

In 1923, BMW built its first complete motorcycle. This enabled, several years later, the first BMW automobile (a license-built version of someone else's design). Decades later, as the popularity and affordability of the automobile increased and the motorcycle market tanked, the question was whether the motorcycle business (something like 1% of the business) would be dropped. The motorcycle business survived not only because an economic case could be made, but because it was a core part of BMW's "culture."

Seems the same with Macs and iPhones/iPads. I can't see Apple ever giving up on the Mac ecosystem.

 

[yemble]

Developers will buy Dell/HP/Lenovo Workstations instead to get their **** done. Unlike consumers, they can't sit on macrumors all day waiting for bits n pieces of rumors about a new mac pro.

But developers targeting iOS don't have that choice - you can easily run a windows VM on OSX but not vice-versa. The tools tie you to OSX.

 

[Pentad]

But developers targeting iOS don't have that choice - you can easily run a windows VM on OSX but not vice-versa. The tools tie you to OSX.

Amen, brother.

 

[powerslave12r]

But developers targeting iOS don't have that choice - you can easily run a windows VM on OSX but not vice-versa. The tools tie you to OSX.

That's a major choice you have made when you chose to develop for iOS. And that is exactly why I'm suggesting that Apple cannot afford to piss off their developers.

Yes, iOS is big and people will put up with any tools as long as there is a market for iOS apps, but this can go on only for so long.

 

[Erphern]

That's a major choice you have made when you chose to develop for iOS. And that is exactly why I'm suggesting that Apple cannot afford to piss off their developers.

Yes, iOS is big and people will put up with any tools as long as there is a market for iOS apps, but this can go on only for so long.

Are developers impacted by a Haswell MacBook Pro release schedule? I've yet to see a business case for *needing* the upcoming version.

Wanting one, absolutely.

 

[powerslave12r]

Are developers impacted by a Haswell MacBook Pro release schedule? I've yet to see a business case for *needing* the upcoming version.

Wanting one, absolutely.

That would depend on the developer's or company's policy on buying hardware. Some companies prefer to buy refurbished or older hardware and milk it out for all its worth.

While some prefer (and need) the latest and greatest. For example, the Haswell battery boost will definitely be valued by many developers who are on the move.

About *needing* or not is not a decision for us to make. It's for the person who is spending the money to make. Many times it makes more economic sense to buy new than old.

 

[Crzyrio]

I will eat my hat if there's a fingerprint sensor on the new MBP this year, let alone the Mac Pro.

It is not going to be on the Mac Pro FOR SURE. That would make no sense to have a finger print sensor on a Desktop/Workstation.

I am not saying there will be one, but I am saying there is a small chance we will see it.

 

[GSPice]

Hadn't thought about that, but it gives me hope -- because it is exactly what happened with BMW. There would be no BMW automobiles if it weren't for BMW motorcycles, and today there wouldn't be any BMW motorcycles without BMW automobiles.

In 1923, BMW built its first complete motorcycle. This enabled, several years later, the first BMW automobile (a license-built version of someone else's design). Decades later, as the popularity and affordability of the automobile increased and the motorcycle market tanked, the question was whether the motorcycle business (something like 1% of the business) would be dropped. The motorcycle business survived not only because an economic case could be made, but because it was a core part of BMW's "culture."

Seems the same with Macs and iPhones/iPads. I can't see Apple ever giving up on the Mac ecosystem.

Excellent illustration. Sometimes mainstream markets keep fringe markets alive and well. And neither BMW motorcycles or Macs are fringe by any stretch.

 

[probst]

Does anyone know where one can find the graphics used by Apple in their Keynotes?

For example look at this image from the 2012 keynote for the 1st rMBP:

 

[GSPice]

Yup. Bring on late-October.

I'm still sticking by original prediction..

Oct. 22?

 

[jafingi]

Does anyone know where one can find the graphics used by Apple in their Keynotes?

For example look at this image from the 2012 keynote for the 1st rMBP:

Image

There's a lot here: https://www.google.com/search?q=phil+schiller&hl=en&espv=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch

Enjoy your secret love

 

[mcarling]

I can't see Apple ever giving up on the Mac ecosystem.

I remember when Macs were new and people were saying the same thing about the Apple II. Similar arguments were made.

The future lasts a long time.

 

[mrmanucadiz]

First news in spanish financial press rewriting the article written on macgneneration about a expected keynote on 15th october for which one is expected ipad, mac pro and apple tv. Also mentioned osx mavericks.

http://www.finanzas.com/noticias/empresas/20130917/llega-nuevo-ipad-apple-2478943.html

Horrorifily waitin for new Haswell rMBP, can't wait more!!!!

 

[mneblett]

I remember when Macs were new and people were saying the same thing about the Apple II. Similar arguments were made.

The future lasts a long time.

It does, but even with the Apple II, it was a personal computer, and Apple's still making personal computers.

The future is forever, and sometime ahead Apple will no longer exist. Nonetheless, for at least the *foreseeable* future (ok, better caveated? ) I believe it's safe to say that we'll see some form of personal computer in the line-up.

 

[mcarling]

I believe that if someone had demonstrated an iPad back in the Apple II days, we all would have considered it a personal computer.

 

[GSPice]

First news in spanish financial press rewriting the article written on macgneneration about a expected keynote on 15th october for which one is expected ipad, mac pro and apple tv. Also mentioned osx mavericks.

http://www.finanzas.com/noticias/empresas/20130917/llega-nuevo-ipad-apple-2478943.html

Horrorifily waitin for new Haswell rMBP, can't wait more!!!!

Since it's just a translation and reference, it's nothing new. We need another source for the rumor to gain more credibility.

 

[Krazy Bill]

A good indicator would be current retail stock levels. Even though there were new SKU numbers leaked before WWDC, I'm not seeing any sign (clandestine or public) that there's a short supply of current MBP's. Not sure how this factors in but given the unexpected lower demand of notebooks, perhaps Apple is trying to avoid some retailer-angst by giving them time to dump old inventory.

 

[mrmanucadiz]

A good indicator would be current retail stock levels. Even though there were new SKU numbers leaked before WWDC, I'm not seeing any sign (clandestine or public) that there's a short supply of current MBP's. Not sure how this factors in but given the unexpected lower demand of notebooks, perhaps Apple is trying to avoid some retailer-angst by giving them time to dump old inventory.

it was said the same about stocks and discount from retails expecting the release of rMBP on iphone's keynote

i think we've got to look forward another clues like leaks, benchmarkings, and missing pieces like it was before iphone's event

nowadays, i have no read speculations about rMBP release and i already heard much of them about ipad, apple tv and macbook pro

so, it's gonna be like a guy said before, a silent update or i don't really know how

anyway, i'm just keeping the faith in seeing rMBP in october, if not i would be forced to buy the actual model for working

 

[Krazy Bill]

so, it's gonna be like a guy said before, a silent update or i don't really know how

Has Apple ever implemented next generation CPU's without some kind of fanfare? (Not talking speed bumps).

Can't remember. Too lazy to look.

 

[InfinitiG]

delete nvm

 

[GSPice]

im predicting next week guys

still stand by end of sept

Would love that but even the shadiest rumor and historical speculation suggests October.. we'll see..

 

[KUguardgrl13]

Speaking of which, does Apple usually announce up-to-date programs for OS X when there aren't new Macs? I assumed they would have one regardless, but it looks like that's not the case this time.

I recall that the mid-2009 MBP was released in June with Leopard, and Snow Leopard came out a few months later. Not sure if that's what you mean though. I think Apple generally releases hardware before or with the software in the case of Mac and OS X.