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Would love that but even the shadiest rumor and historical speculation suggests October.. we'll see.. :)

they will be released along with mavericks, when is the official release of mavericks again?

edit: ok so mavericks will be released in october nevermind then
 
they will be released along with mavericks, when is the official release of mavericks again?

edit: ok so mavericks will be released in october nevermind then
While I realize I'm just encouraging yet another circular replay of the many times this has been discussed, I have to ask:

Any basis for this (what reads like a) statement of fact?

Apple has *several* times now released a new 10.X release some weeks *after* a hardware release. Why would you expect this time to be any different? It *may* be simultaneous this time, but unless you can show us that you have some inside info/proof, your unqualified statement appears baseless.
 
My unqualified, unscientific, gut feeling is Sept 20-24 hardware update. Oct 15-24 Software Update.

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While I realize I'm just encouraging yet another circular replay of the many times this has been discussed, I have to ask:

Any basis for this (what reads like a) statement of fact?

Apple has *several* times now released a new 10.X release some weeks *after* a hardware release. Why would you expect this time to be any different? It *may* be simultaneous this time, but unless you can show us that you have some inside info/proof, your unqualified statement appears baseless.

I think those leaked benchmarks running 10.9 are a clue. Not proof, obviously, since you'd be testing 10.9 on the new machines whether they were going to launch with it or not, but I don't believe for a second that Apple leaks Geekbench scores by accident. I think that was a clear message to people who are concerned saying, "Haswell MBPs are on the way, they'll be released with Mavericks."

One of the main points about Mavericks is that it's designed to take maximum advantage of the Haswell optimizations. Haswell's power gains are found in its ability to use very little power at near-idle, and Mavericks has several tricks in place to maximize the time the system spends at or near minimum frequencies during low load conditions. Being able to show off rMBPs with Haswell running Mavericks and getting exceptional battery life will be a big deal for a fairly large percentage of the market. It's also going to be the only selling point for the Haswell machines (unless you're looking at a 13", which gets a GPU boost), so not maximizing that impact would be a poor marketing choice.

I think it's unrealistic at this point (past the Sept event) to expect anything other than a refresh lined up with the Mavericks release in October.
 
I honestly think you don't understand the risks of man-in-the-middle attacks on this security/authentication subsystem. Connecting the Touch ID sensor to the device validating the print with USB/TB/wireless is, honestly, a stupid idea. I can think of about 8 different ways that would be instantly undermining the integrity of this validation mechanism. Making the location of the Touch ID sensor "more convenient" is throwing out the baby with the bath water.
I accually do.
Please explain to me how a man in the middle attack on the example i gave, where all the handling of the fingerprint where done on a chip inside the keyboard (just like on the iphone). Would be any more unsafe then a man in the middle attack of some one just taking your password from a man in the middle attack?

The "it" that Apple would be doing is putting Touch ID authentication on all of their computers -- and having integrated support in the OS and Safari to manage logins to websites (for starters).
So first you telling me that there are sooo many ways to exploit a keyboard with a fingerprint scanner. And 1 sec later you are seriously saying that OS and Safari should get access to fingerprint scanning.
Really?
The only way to do that in any safe way at all, is to treat it with a special chip (or integrated in the cpu) just like on the iPhone.
And since you need that anyway it would be much more convenient to have it on your keyboard.

Further, the "it" Apple would provide is the same service on all of their new computers -- including Haswell MBP laptops. All stationary Macs, and all mobile Macs. And all iPhones, iPads, and iPods running iOS. A seamless experience running across a gamut of computation devices. Nobody has ever provided the comprehensive quality of hardware and software that Apple can provide for that service.

I am totally with you on the "iUnits" and the laptops Apple provide.
But to include it on the stationary computers is just bonkers and just wont happen. Its a STUPID idea really.
Using a fingerprint scanner is all about conveniency and security. And no one will use it if the scanner is out of arms length. Its much more easy to type in your password.

And that's EXACTLY the reason there have not been any kind of stationary computer that have had a fingerprint scanner (outside of maybe some high security firms)

In case you haven't noticed, Apple gets ridiculed for most everything they do or don't do. Here's a video of someone ridiculing Apple back in 2007:
YouTube: video

Ballmer's ridicule of Apple didn't work out too well -- he will be departing Microsoft within the next 12 months. :D
Yeah cos this is the same situation....




Why do you think the deployment of the fingerprint scanners on an isolated laptop would be remotely to AAPL's ecosystem-wide deployment of fingerprint-scanning dedicated hardware, OSs, and multi-platform apps? The two don't sound remotely comparable.
Did not say that. I said its totally stupid to have them on the chassis of the non movable computers Apple provides

And AAPL provided no means for third-party developers to make apps when the iPhone was first released in 2007. Why do you presume the Touch ID pad would only be used for unlocking Mac computers? :confused:



Validation for purchases on e-commerce sites and apps is an obvious use for both iOS and Mac Touch ID device.

Yeah if you had quoted the next line also you would have understood that statement.
But since you didn't let med do it:

"And Apple have made only Apple store and unlocking of the phone available when using then fingerprint reader.
And phones have vastly different ways then computers of getting used.
Your phone you pick up from you pocket many times a day. And that way its very convenient to have a scanner so you don't have to use a pass key.

But a computer. You normally sit by for longer periods. You don't need to unlock them as often as you have to with phones.

How ever if Apple made key-chain accessible by a fingerprint reader. It would be very nice for a computer.
But i would be EXTREMELY SURPRISED if they put one ON the Mac Pro it self."



I have no doubt that Apple will include fingerscanning on more products. And include it more in their eco system. I expect it will be the next big thing.
But i don't see in ANYWAY that Apple would choose to implement them on their stationary lines chassis.
There are better ways to implement it then that.

Your suggestion would be as smart as a car maker putting a fingerprint reader to start the car in the back seat of the car. How many do you think would use that scanner instead of just using their key?
 
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One of the main points about Mavericks is that it's designed to take maximum advantage of the Haswell optimizations. Haswell's power gains are found in its ability to use very little power at near-idle, and Mavericks has several tricks in place to maximize the time the system spends at or near minimum frequencies during low load conditions. Being able to show off rMBPs with Haswell running Mavericks and getting exceptional battery life will be a big deal for a fairly large percentage of the market. It's also going to be the only selling point for the Haswell machines (unless you're looking at a 13", which gets a GPU boost), so not maximizing that impact would be a poor marketing choice.

This is why I feel IGZO would have been the perfect addition to this update. While I would like Apple to surprise us and include it, I don't have high hopes for it happening this year.
 
Being able to show off rMBPs with Haswell running Mavericks and getting exceptional battery life will be a big deal for a fairly large percentage of the market. It's also going to be the only selling point for the Haswell machines (unless you're looking at a 13", which gets a GPU boost), so not maximizing that impact would be a poor marketing choice

Regarding the popular "Haswell = battery life and little else" argument, I haven't seen anyone directly address this post by Quu from a few pages back:

"I know this sounds crazy to people because everyone is underwhelmed by Haswell's performance but you shouldn't be really. The MacBook Air with Haswell is like what almost 1GHz lower in clock rate than the old Ivy Bridge chip it replaces but matches it in performance. It was Apples choice to put that slower Haswell chip in the MacBook Air because they wanted all day battery life. If they had kept the battery life the same they could have stuck a 2.3GHz Haswell CPU in there and boosted computational performance 20-25% which is substantial in my opinion.

Now this is where things get interesting, the Haswell Retina MacBook Pro will not be using a low power part, Apple won't be using something with a really low clock speed like they have done in the Airs. So this update won't really be that underwhelming we can expect to see around 20-25% CPU performance increase in the same clock speeds but we'll still see idle and average power consumption improvements."

I'm not a computer engineer, but I can't deny the logic in that post and it gives me hope for more than a mere battery life bump...

Thoughts?
 
It better be gold dammit.

I'm patient. I just have two requests for my new rMBP...

It better have a fingerprint scanner.

and it better be GOLD - not robin egg blue!
 
Quick question guys. I'm rather sure we won't see IGZO this year but do You think Apple will use it with Haswell's next year bump, or will they wait for Broadwell?
 
Regarding the popular "Haswell = battery life and little else" argument, I haven't seen anyone directly address this post by Quu from a few pages back:

"I know this sounds crazy to people because everyone is underwhelmed by Haswell's performance but you shouldn't be really. The MacBook Air with Haswell is like what almost 1GHz lower in clock rate than the old Ivy Bridge chip it replaces but matches it in performance. It was Apples choice to put that slower Haswell chip in the MacBook Air because they wanted all day battery life. If they had kept the battery life the same they could have stuck a 2.3GHz Haswell CPU in there and boosted computational performance 20-25% which is substantial in my opinion.

Now this is where things get interesting, the Haswell Retina MacBook Pro will not be using a low power part, Apple won't be using something with a really low clock speed like they have done in the Airs. So this update won't really be that underwhelming we can expect to see around 20-25% CPU performance increase in the same clock speeds but we'll still see idle and average power consumption improvements."

I'm not a computer engineer, but I can't deny the logic in that post and it gives me hope for more than a mere battery life bump...

Thoughts?

You may both be right. In fact if Apple does what you think and releases the rMBP with Haswell processors that yield a 20-25% CPU performance upgrade it makes Atomic Walrus's idea that Apple is waiting for Mavericks even more likely.

There gain in battery life will come from a combination of Haswell and Mavericks with the rMBP. Like you said, the MB Airs get all of their current increase in battery life from Haswell.

I didn't think Apple would hold up a hardware release for Mavericks but I'm warming to the idea. After all, the delay isn't that long in the big picture if the battery life and performance they can advertise is greatest with the combination of Mavericks + Haswell in the upcoming new rMBP's.
 
Well I really hope they are waiting for Maverik for marketing reason.

Because I can wait until end of october / early november but not more.

From my point of view it's incredible that Haswell, a technology months old today, is not NOW on rMBP.

Given that a december refresh is impossible, can someone guess how (un)likely is that the rMBP refresh is delayed to 2014?
Gimme a number.
 
Given that a december refresh is impossible, can someone guess how (un)likely is that the rMBP refresh is delayed to 2014?
Gimme a number.

42.

I seriously doubt they'll wait until 2014 to update them


Rumours coming in thick and fast about this one...
Just to put some ideas into your heads!
http://wheniskeynote.com/

Quite accurate with keynote dates usually this site is

They probably heard the rumors we saw yesterday
 
I'm taking Paypal bets right now for the release date. :D

Hahaha, I'm going for the 24th.

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This is why I feel IGZO would have been the perfect addition to this update. While I would like Apple to surprise us and include it, I don't have high hopes for it happening this year.

IGZO combined with a 20%-25% performance boost, along with 802.11ac wifi, PCI-E SSDs, and better battery life would make this update pretty big.
 
Hahaha, I'm going for the 24th.

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IGZO combined with a 20%-25% performance boost, along with 802.11ac wifi, PCI-E SSDs, and better battery life would make this update pretty big.

Trust me, I'm not a propaganda-loving benchmark eater, but IGZO technology is just sexy. If IGZO isn't in this model, I'll buy it, but sell it whenever IGZO does get implemented.
 
Trust me, I'm not a propaganda-loving benchmark eater, but IGZO technology is just sexy. If IGZO isn't in this model, I'll buy it, but sell it whenever IGZO does get implemented.

IGZO is pretty sexy even to a 14-yearold, although I think I may be in the minority. :D
 
Being able to show off rMBPs with Haswell running Mavericks and getting exceptional battery life will be a big deal for a fairly large percentage of the market.
Now that is a solid, logical argument. With WWDC and 1/2 of September gone, this makes a lot more sense than back in June.
 
Not to derail this gut-wrenching thread that is bristling with facts but I just mowed my lawn in 27 minutes. :eek: A personal best for me.
 
Hahaha. Nice job man :D


Btw stay tuned for the iGPU v. dGPU resurrection. I'm just organizing everything now

I am so ready. I have literally come to peace AND enmity with BOTH sides so I'm ready for battle.

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Not to derail this gut-wrenching thread that is bristling with facts but I just mowed my lawn in 27 minutes. :eek: A personal best for me.

SOLID. That's a MAN task for sure.
 
I am so ready. I have literally come to peace AND enmity with BOTH sides so I'm ready for battle.



It'll only work if people come back and start posting about it again. I've made the quotes though so they'll get a notification.

Also will be adding my own thoughts at the end
 
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