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tl;dr: Bought a business line Dell, moving on, see you on the 'waiting for Broadwell/Haswell refurb thread'.

Warning: 'Cool story bro' post. :D

I did something crazy just now. Just purchased a Dell E6410 used with:

14.1" 1440x900 (16:10)
i7-620M
dGPU NVS3100M 512MB
8GB RAM
500GB HDD
Windows Pro 7 64 bit
Backlit keyboard and all that.

All this for a princely sum of $375. Given the excellent serviceability, keyboard and touchpad (albeit small), combined with a decent screen and lightweight body with a great battery life, I think I'm out of this thread. :)

I'll probably get a Samsung 840 128GB/256 SSD and replace the DVD drive with the 500GB (I already have a dock to do that.)

So for another $80/$165 (total of $455/$540) I have the more or less a similar setup to the i7/8GB/256GB setup as the Macbook Air 2012 that costs about $1285 after taxes.

I'll probably buy a nice large $200 IPS display from Dell or something.

Things I lose from the Air:

- OSX
- Super slim form factor (I find this awkward to use anyway)
- The large touchpad ( but this one is great despite being small, experienced with it )
- To some degree, the battery life (non issue)
- Very slight hit on the processor (comparison here)

This is to hold me until the first Haswell retinas hit the refurbs.

Right now it makes zero sense for me to purchase any of the macbooks. Things would be different had Apple launched Haswell this week.

I cannot believe the amount of time I have wasted waiting for the Haswell update. It has actually cost me quite a bit in multiple ways.

I'll miss you guys. :D
 
Serban said:
http://www.macg.co/news/voir/261343/premiers-tests-avec-le-nouvel-imac-haswell

seems that IRIS PRO is better than 640M and 650M in OpenGL, and the RAM faster as well? why? is the same 8GB RAM 1600mhz DDR3 in both models 2013 and 2012


so we can expect from the rMBP haswell too?
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The Iris Pro also has 128 MB eDRAM to boost its performance over past Intel IGPs. I suspect the other performance gains in CPU and memory are just from the Haswell architecture.

Anandtech has reviewed the Iris Pro in the past and it holds its own against the GT 650M.
 
PDFierro said:
Announcement for the event? Apple always does it the week before.
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Thank you. I was confused for a second with 1 or 2 weeks.
So at least, less than 2 weeks to the probable, possible, hopeful announcement for the event. Fingers crossed #
 
PDFierro said:
Well just some of your recent comments indicated that you were going to be interested in purchasing the Haswell rMBP, etc.
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They have? I though I made it clear that I was interested in getting the Broadwell rmbp. I'm interested in haswell to see the progressive changes through the rmbp lineup and someone I know is buying a haswell rmbp.

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GSPice said:
what the
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Yeah, that comment was weird.:D
 
powerslave12r said:
tl;dr: Bought a business line Dell, moving on, see you on the 'waiting for Broadwell/Haswell refurb thread'.

Warning: 'Cool story bro' post. :D

I did something crazy just now. Just purchased a Dell E6410 used with:

14.1" 1440x900 (16:10)
i7-620M
dGPU NVS3100M 512MB
8GB RAM
500GB HDD
Windows Pro 7 64 bit
Backlit keyboard and all that.

All this for a princely sum of $375. Given the excellent serviceability, keyboard and touchpad (albeit small), combined with a decent screen and lightweight body with a great battery life, I think I'm out of this thread. :)

I'll probably get a Samsung 840 128GB/256 SSD and replace the DVD drive with the 500GB (I already have a dock to do that.)

So for another $80/$165 (total of $455/$540) I have the more or less a similar setup to the i7/8GB/256GB setup as the Macbook Air 2012 that costs about $1285 after taxes.

I'll probably buy a nice large $200 IPS display from Dell or something.

Things I lose from the Air:

- OSX
- Super slim form factor (I find this awkward to use anyway)
- The large touchpad ( but this one is great despite being small, experienced with it )
- To some degree, the battery life (non issue)
- Very slight hit on the processor (comparison here)

This is to hold me until the first Haswell retinas hit the refurbs.

Right now it makes zero sense for me to purchase any of the macbooks. Things would be different had Apple launched Haswell this week.

I cannot believe the amount of time I have wasted waiting for the Haswell update. It has actually cost me quite a bit in multiple ways.

I'll miss you guys. :D
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For me it is mostly the Software I can not live without. If that piece of computer would run OS X, iWorks and so on - I could also consider a none Apple product. Nema problema. (ok perhaps I would have a little problem with a plastic ugly Dell but there are other none Apple hardware...)

As I also would prefer to load IOS on my Galaxy S4. (but please give me Swype:)
 
Eidorian said:
The Iris Pro also has 128 MB eDRAM to boost its performance over past Intel IGPs. I suspect the other performance gains in CPU and memory are just from the Haswell architecture.

Anandtech has reviewed the Iris Pro in the past and it holds its own against the GT 650M.
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yes but can Iris Pro do better in an iMAC than an laptop due to heat?
 
Atomic Walrus said:
-Possible TB2 (very likely IMO as it will be seen in the Mac Pro. I expect Apple will want both of their Pro lines to work with their new TB2 display).
-Faster wifi (see Air refresh)
-Faster SSD (see Air refresh again)
-Huge GPU upgrade on the 13" model (HD4000 vs HD 5100)
-Some versions of the 15" may include a 750m (or 755m, same thing) which would be a minor GPU upgrade.

Haswell itself significantly improves power efficiency at low load states, which is how most laptops are used the majority of the time. This means battery life, yes. There's also likely to be a ~10% speed gain on the high end CPU options (technically uncertain until we see what CPUs they're using as the top options and they get benchmarked).
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Don't forget 802.11ac wifi, and a maybe on the IGZO display.

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powerslave12r said:
tl;dr: Bought a business line Dell, moving on, see you on the 'waiting for Broadwell/Haswell refurb thread'.

Warning: 'Cool story bro' post. :D

I did something crazy just now. Just purchased a Dell E6410 used with:

14.1" 1440x900 (16:10)
i7-620M
dGPU NVS3100M 512MB
8GB RAM
500GB HDD
Windows Pro 7 64 bit
Backlit keyboard and all that.

All this for a princely sum of $375. Given the excellent serviceability, keyboard and touchpad (albeit small), combined with a decent screen and lightweight body with a great battery life, I think I'm out of this thread. :)

I'll probably get a Samsung 840 128GB/256 SSD and replace the DVD drive with the 500GB (I already have a dock to do that.)

So for another $80/$165 (total of $455/$540) I have the more or less a similar setup to the i7/8GB/256GB setup as the Macbook Air 2012 that costs about $1285 after taxes.

I'll probably buy a nice large $200 IPS display from Dell or something.

Things I lose from the Air:

- OSX
- Super slim form factor (I find this awkward to use anyway)
- The large touchpad ( but this one is great despite being small, experienced with it )
- To some degree, the battery life (non issue)
- Very slight hit on the processor (comparison here)

This is to hold me until the first Haswell retinas hit the refurbs.

Right now it makes zero sense for me to purchase any of the macbooks. Things would be different had Apple launched Haswell this week.

I cannot believe the amount of time I have wasted waiting for the Haswell update. It has actually cost me quite a bit in multiple ways.

I'll miss you guys. :D
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You could try turning it into a hackintosh, although it may not be worth it if you're going to buy a haswell refurb.
 
Serban said:
yes but can Iris Pro do better in an iMAC than an laptop due to heat?
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From what I have read, only the Ultra Low Voltage Intel IGPs suffer from reduced performance due to lower clock speeds. Even a 200-500 MHz difference between the desktop and higher TDP mobile IGPs is rarely enough to create a significant gap in performance.
 
Viking2 said:
For me it is mostly the Software I can not live without. If that piece of computer would run OS X, iWorks and so on - I could also consider a none Apple product. Nema problema. (ok perhaps I would have a little problem with a plastic ugly Dell but there are other none Apple hardware...)

As I also would prefer to load IOS on my Galaxy S4. (but please give me Swype:)
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OSX is indeed a little hard to give up, but I'll live, I have my Lubuntu/Linux Mint.

Also, I don't think this particular model falls under plastic ugly Dell (neither do most of their Business line Latitude 6xxx's and Precisions.)

Either way, I think this is a great bang for buck right here.
 
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To put some perspective into what Macs mean to Apple in monetary value, check out this quote from Bloomberg Business week:
The majority of Apple sales comes from this one product—iPhone sales ($88.4 billion) are greater than the sum of Apple’s remaining products—including the iPad, Mac laptops and desktops, and iTunes—combined ($81 billion).
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hello together,
i'm new here....... now i decided to register at this forum..... maybe so the time runs faster till the new rmbp will release.

i´m realy excited about the the new haswell mac books, cause my last one was white, so there should a big performance boost for me :)
 
The Leafs Fan said:
To put some perspective into what Macs mean to Apple in monetary value, check out this quote from Bloomberg Business week:
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I hope I didn't sound like an ad there. Mac mini prices in Australia and other countries have started to climb:http://www.tuaw.com/2013/09/26/mac-mini-prices-climb-in-several-countries/

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tibo87 said:
hello together,
i'm new here....... now i decided to register at this forum..... maybe so the time runs faster till the new rmbp will release.

i´m realy excited about the the new haswell mac books, cause my last one was white, so there should a big performance boost for me :)
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Welcome to the MacRumours official waiting for haswell MacBook Pros thread, although it really should be renamed to the waiting for haswell Retina MacBook Pros thread.
 
The Leafs Fan said:
Don't forget 802.11ac wifi, and a maybe on the IGZO display.

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You could try turning it into a hackintosh, although it may not be worth it if you're going to buy a haswell refurb.
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Yeah hackintoshing it is not worth the trouble. I could have just bought a cMBP or something as well, but this just works out better overall.
 
powerslave12r said:
Yeah hackintoshing it is not worth the trouble. I could have just bought a cMBP or something as well, but this just works out better overall.
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Is it any good, the laptop? Because I had this one laptop which had a pretty nice screen for around the same price you paid, and it crapped out after a couple of years,
 
Krazy Bill said:
If the dGPU were removed I'd venture to say Apple would lose at least half the potential first-timer 15" buyers, the repeaters and those looking to upgrade from the 13".
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Half the potential buyers??? That transcends all your previous sarcasm. Seriously, Apple would lose somewhere between half of one potential buyer and half a percent of the potential buyers (probably nearer to the small end of that range).

Freyqq said:
I'd like to see a 4K display with a built-in GPU card (replaceable). That would solve the bandwidth problem.
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I think there is a good chance that an Apple 4K display might include a non-replaceable GPU. I don't see any chance that Apple would include a replaceable GPU.
 
From past experience, how likely other companies will start selling new macs the next day it was introduced? (such as best buy)
 
hammm said:
We'll I hope apple will release it in October ... Been waiting since march, that's almost a 7 month wait with my 50min battery life PC laptop

:(
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You win the prize. On a good day, my battery life is about 2 hours. That's a good day. Other days, it goes from fully charged to dead battery - no warning at all.
 
mcarling said:
I think there is a good chance that an Apple 4K display might include a non-replaceable GPU.
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What is this black magic? You mean a display that has a GPU to drive itself, or a GPU to assist the computer driving it? Or some combination?
 
mcarling said:
Half the potential buyers??? That transcends all your previous sarcasm. Seriously, Apple would lose somewhere between half of one potential buyer and half a percent of the potential buyers (probably nearer to the small end of that range).
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How do you figure? Unless you're applying the Apple "lemming" principal to your equation. This might work for the kiddie consumption products but I tend to think MBP15 users get a bit more discerning before they start tricking out their spouses in order to buy one of these things.

And, I actually believe my estimate is conservative but I will concede that number could change over time. This assumes there will be no dGPU at all. If on the other hand, it's a BTO option (like in 2009?) I think most can stomach that. (After the obligatory pissing and moaning of course).
 
Hi there,
I´ve veen reading along for quite a while now and thought I might participate a bit in this pretty piece of madness.
As there are so many people who seem to know a lot about GPU:
This ist going to be my first Mac (as the new iMac still has no retina...) and
I´ll need it mainly for some heavy ligthroom-work and some photoshop. I´ll also
run Win7 for my beloved MS Word 07. The internet stuff I do on my iPad.
I know that 8 or 16GB of Ram and a SSD will do a lot of good but do you think the 13" would suffice for my porposes or do I need the quadcore and the hopefully better GPU of the 15"?
It will be used at home mostly, so the size doesn´t matter that much as I can plug in a bigger screen. I´d really appreciate your help!
 
The Leafs Fan said:
Is it any good, the laptop? Because I had this one laptop which had a pretty nice screen for around the same price you paid, and it crapped out after a couple of years,
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Comparing two laptops without considering which models they are exactly is meaningless.

The laptop I have purchased used to cost about $1900 new. It's a trooper.

I am all set except for that one thought in the back of my mind, considering the following:

1. Dell: I paid $375 for a decent option. This is either going to go to someone in the family as a hand me down or going to be junked. (best case I sell it for a $100-150 bucks or so.)

2. Apple: I use the Macbook Air I currently have for a year or two. I paid $1300 for the mid-2012 i7/8/256GB. If I sell it in a year it'll sell for what? $1000-1100?

There still might be good reason for me to keep the MBA. Damn.

What value do you guys think will the Macbook Air hold 6 months to a year from now?
 
powerslave12r said:
Comparing two laptops without considering which models they are exactly is meaningless.

The laptop I have purchased used to cost about $1900 new. It's a trooper.

I am all set except for that one thought in the back of my mind, considering the following:

1. Dell: I paid $375 for a decent option. This is either going to go to someone in the family as a hand me down or going to be junked. (best case I sell it for a $100-150 bucks or so.)

2. Apple: I use the Macbook Air I currently have for a year or two. I paid $1300 for the mid-2012 i7/8/256GB. If I sell it in a year it'll sell for what? $1000-1100?

There still might be good reason for me to keep the MBA. Damn.
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I don´t see the problem:
You´ll lose about 200 bucks in both versions. So where´s the difference? Don´t look back, enjoy your purchase and be glad for the money you´ve saved for now.
 
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