Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[mcarling]

That would be a pretty expensive display. How much would that potentially cost?

At introduction, I guess the price would be in the $3000 to $4000 range. My recollection is that the introductory price of Apple's 30" Cinema Display was $3499.

How do you figure?

To start, only a fraction of one percent of potential buyers of 15" rMBPs even know what a GPU is, so that sets an upper limit on the number who would refuse to buy one without a discrete GPU. Of those who know what a GPU is, only a fraction know the difference between an integrated GPU and a discrete GPU. Only a fraction of those know enough about the advantages and disadvantages to have a preference for one or the other. Of the tiny, tiny fraction of one percent of potential buyers who have a preference, few would care more about that one preference than, for example, OS X versus MS Windows or Linux.

 

[powerslave12r]

I don´t see the problem:
You´ll lose about 200 bucks in both versions. So where´s the difference? Don´t look back, enjoy your purchase and be glad for the money you´ve saved for now.

You're right. The only thing is for the first option my $200 gets me the Windows Experience and the second one gets me a sweet MBA experience.

The only catch is having that money locked up in the Air. I suppose I can buy me a lot of nice things with that $900 though. (I haven't even factored in the Applecare yet.)

Oh well.

 

[vash420]

Sat here listening to the fans on my 2007 MBP sounding like it's about to take off, with it's 45 minute battery life, wondering if it's worth trying to get the hashtag #releaseanewrmbpyouawkwardcalifornianbastards trending.

I'm patient, but this is ridiculous.

 

[GSPice]

I'm waiting for a 755M /2GB.



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Sat here listening to the fans on my 2007 MBP sounding like it's about to take off, with it's 45 minute battery life, wondering if it's worth trying to get the hashtag #releaseanewrmbpyouawkwardcalifornianbastards trending.

I'm patient, but this is ridiculous.

How long have you been waiting? I'm sure Apple doesn't think it's ridiculous.

 

[mrmanucadiz]

Yep, but the guy I quoted made it sound like it would be thicker, and then said that iPad 3+ was thicker than iPad 2 due to IGZO (or made it sound like). Both things were totally wrong.

now i see.....presenting my excuses my lord

 

[The Leafs Fan]

At introduction, I guess the price would be in the $3000 to $4000 range. My recollection is that the introductory price of Apple's 30" Cinema Display was $3499.


To start, only a fraction of one percent of potential buyers of 15" rMBPs even know what a GPU is, so that sets an upper limit on the number who would refuse to buy one without a discrete GPU. Of those who know what a GPU is, only a fraction know the difference between an integrated GPU and a discrete GPU. Only a fraction of those know enough about the advantages and disadvantages to have a preference for one or the other. Of the tiny, tiny fraction of one percent of potential buyers who have a preference, few would care more about that one preference than, for example, OS X versus MS Windows or Linux.

From Apple's website http://www.apple.com/ca/pr/library/2004/06/28Apple-Unveils-30-Cinema-HD-Flat-Display.html:

The 20-inch Apple Cinema Display and 23-inch Apple Cinema HD Display will be available in July, and the 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Display will be available in August, through the Apple Store® (www.apple.com/canadastore) and Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of $1,799 (CDN), $2,799 (CDN) and $4,699 (CDN), respectively.

Whoops, I forgot how low the Canadian dollar was trading then, the actual original price for the 30-inch Cinema Display was $3299 according to http://www.everymac.com/monitors/apple/studio_cinema/specs/apple_cinema_display_30.html

 

[vash420]

I'm waiting for a 755M /2GB.



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How long have you been waiting? I'm sure Apple doesn't think it's ridiculous.

Since the original RMBP release, wasn't convinced it was a mature enough design to part with that massive amount of cash.

Anyway, I know Apple has been in with all this supplying personal internet history details to the NSA, GCHQ, etc stuff but they can't have been paying attention. Otherwise it would have been clear for 6 months that vash420 + Haswell rMBP = a clear £2000 for them.

 

[The Leafs Fan]

Since the original RMBP release, wasn't convinced it was a mature enough design to part with that massive amount of cash.

Anyway, I know Apple has been in with all this supplying personal internet history details to the NSA, GCHQ, etc stuff but they can't have been paying attention. Otherwise it would have been clear for 6 months that vash420 + Haswell rMBP = a clear £2000 for them.

Well Apple doesn't really care about that, they want to make sure they have all the parts they need to supply the demand for the upcoming rmbp, and they'll wait as long as it takes (within a reasonable time period) for those manufacturing details to meet their specifications.

 

[Gilmore Girl]

You're right. The only thing is for the first option my $200 gets me the Windows Experience and the second one gets me a sweet MBA experience.

The only catch is having that money locked up in the Air. I suppose I can buy me a lot of nice things with that $900 though. (I haven't even factored in the Applecare yet.)

Oh well.

I remember you saying something about buying a refurbished MBP later on, so maybe you shouldn't burn all the money you're saving...

And if it's Win 7, it's not that bad.

 

[PDFierro]

If they delay the update to 2014, I will guy the current gen rMBP.

I was in a shop yesterday, comparing closely MBA, rMBP and cMBP. Guys it's the second time I do this comparison and:

1) MBA: bad bad monitor. First because colours are much worse than both cMBP and rMBP, but also because I don't like the 1440x900 resolution on a 13" with Mac. System fonts are way too small to be comfortable. Finally, an apple laptop without the glass that cover the entire monitor? Nah!! Second, to make it a decent machine you need at least 8gb and the i7. But with this configuration price is very close with rMBP so why?

2) cMBP has a decent monitor with the right resolution. Yeah you see the difference with respect to retina, but much less than the air monitor. It's an usable monitor. cMBP is upgradeable and has the very nice possibility of mounting both an SSD and an HDD like iMac. Finally it look more robust and if something get broken you can easily fix it. I'm still quite tempted on buying it although it's pretty bulky as compared with rMBP. The point is that I'm buying something old, that will get outdated much much earlier than a rMBP. So, with 500€ difference in price I may consider this option, with about 280€ not al all.

3) rMBP (actual gen). Gorgeous monitor, ideally the perfect laptop even if it costs a lot (at least for me - I convinced myself because I HATE windows 8, I promise myself that I will not buy a new mac at least for 5-6 years and above all I hope it's more comfortable for my eyes to read on a retina display since I spend a lot of time in front of a computer). Problems are the first generation russian roulette in the monitor and a design that does not look equally robust as compared with cMBP (no thick glass in front of the monitor). Finally if somethings broken you are ****ed.

To sum up:
1) rMBP (actual gen). Pro: monitor, updated design, no HDD. Cons: expensive, not easily reparable.
2) cMBP. Pro: User updateable, very robust design, combo SSD+HDD. Decent monitor and less expensive than rMBP. Cons: mainly an outdated design and its size.
3) MBA. Pro: weight and price. Con: slow processors, only 4gb RAM, bad bad monitor.

Oh yeah. I agree with all of that. Those are also my thoughts on the 13-inch rMBP, it's pretty much the perfect laptop. The screen is absolutely gorgeous, and it's in a great form factor.

 

[mrmanucadiz]

I'm waiting for a 755M /2GB.



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How long have you been waiting? I'm sure Apple doesn't think it's ridiculous.

that would be HUGEEEEEE!!!! cant even to imagine that....

 

[Nismo73]

I'm waiting for a 755M /2GB.

It should be the 750M with 2gb

 

[GSPice]

It should be the 750M with 2gb

I'd take that too. Apple would overclock it if possible anyway.

 

[powerslave12r]

I remember you saying something about buying a refurbished MBP later on, so maybe you shouldn't burn all the money you're saving...

And if it's Win 7, it's not that bad.

Yep, win 7 isn't bad at all. When I do buy the refurb MBP, I will sell the air anyway, so I'm still not sure.

Perhaps keeping all this money locked up in a laptop isn't such a good idea after all.

 

[ValSalva]

Oh yeah. I agree with all of that. Those are also my thoughts on the 13-inch rMBP, it's pretty much the perfect laptop. The screen is absolutely gorgeous, and it's in a great form factor.

All I'd add is that a 13" rMBP with 16GB of RAM would be the perfect laptop. 8GB isn't a deal killer but 16GB would be great. I hope it's an option.

 

[PDFierro]

tl;dr: Bought a business line Dell, moving on, see you on the 'waiting for Broadwell/Haswell refurb thread'.

Warning: 'Cool story bro' post.

I did something crazy just now. Just purchased a Dell E6410 used with:

14.1" 1440x900 (16:10)
i7-620M
dGPU NVS3100M 512MB
8GB RAM
500GB HDD
Windows Pro 7 64 bit
Backlit keyboard and all that.

All this for a princely sum of $375. Given the excellent serviceability, keyboard and touchpad (albeit small), combined with a decent screen and lightweight body with a great battery life, I think I'm out of this thread.

I'll probably get a Samsung 840 128GB/256 SSD and replace the DVD drive with the 500GB (I already have a dock to do that.)

So for another $80/$165 (total of $455/$540) I have the more or less a similar setup to the i7/8GB/256GB setup as the Macbook Air 2012 that costs about $1285 after taxes.

I'll probably buy a nice large $200 IPS display from Dell or something.

Things I lose from the Air:

- OSX
- Super slim form factor (I find this awkward to use anyway)
- The large touchpad ( but this one is great despite being small, experienced with it )
- To some degree, the battery life (non issue)
- Very slight hit on the processor (comparison here)

This is to hold me until the first Haswell retinas hit the refurbs.

Right now it makes zero sense for me to purchase any of the macbooks. Things would be different had Apple launched Haswell this week.

I cannot believe the amount of time I have wasted waiting for the Haswell update. It has actually cost me quite a bit in multiple ways.

I'll miss you guys.

Wow. You gave in. For me, as previously stated, I cannot go Windows under any circumstance. So I can't just hop OSes like that.

 

[Krazy Bill]

I´ll need it mainly for some heavy ligthroom-work and some photoshop... do you think the 13" would suffice for my porposes

The 13" has plenty of muscle for LR and PS. I live in those two apps using an Early 2011 model. (Sandy Bridge, HD3000). Two additional components are also a must IMO:

1. An SSD to handle Large RAW files as you go in/out of LR and PS.
2. A well calibrated external monitor

SSD's are commonplace now. Go for large. Good 27" monitors are cheap these days.

 

[powerslave12r]

Wow. You gave in. For me, as previously stated, I cannot go Windows under any circumstance. So I can't just hop OSes like that.

Yes I did.


I can and do hop OSes a lot anyway (at least 3 different ones everyday excluding OSX).

I gave in because I just can't keep putting off work. I have been wasting time since and putting off important (coding) work aside for later. I feel foolish spending so much money on a Macbook Air/previous retina at this point and another 3-4 weeks is too much to bear. I already regret the past month I've spent doing not much (in my personal time of course).

I'm still 50/50 on whether to use an MBA for a few months and then upgrade to the Haswell, or just use the Dell I purchased.

I wonder how the MBA will hold it's value. Craigslist isn't helping me out much, I don't see a lot of i7/8GB/256GB configs for sale to get an idea for price, but going by the other config, seems like a pretty big hit of about $300-450 which kinda sucks.

 

[aiyaaabatt]

Yes I did.


I can and do hop OSes a lot anyway (at least 3 different ones everyday excluding OSX).

I gave in because I just can't keep putting off work. I have been wasting time since and putting off important (coding) work aside for later. I feel foolish spending so much money on a Macbook Air/previous retina at this point and another 3-4 weeks is too much to bear. I already regret the past month I've spent doing not much (in my personal time of course).

I'm still 50/50 on whether to use an MBA for a few months and then upgrade to the Haswell, or just use the Dell I purchased.

I wonder how the MBA will hold it's value. Craigslist isn't helping me out much, I don't see a lot of i7/8GB/256GB configs for sale to get an idea for price, but going by the other config, seems like a pretty big hit of about $300-450 which kinda sucks.

Only base configurations of MBA hold their values well. Maxed out MBA's on craigslist take average ~$350 loss

 

[powerslave12r]

Only base configurations of MBA hold their values well. Maxed out MBA's on craigslist take average ~$350 loss

In line with what I've been seeing. In that case, whatever I purchase now should be from a long term usage point of view. And long term usage involves Haswell/Retina.

What a mess.

 

[PDFierro]

Yes I did.


I can and do hop OSes a lot anyway (at least 3 different ones everyday excluding OSX).

I gave in because I just can't keep putting off work. I have been wasting time since and putting off important (coding) work aside for later. I feel foolish spending so much money on a Macbook Air/previous retina at this point and another 3-4 weeks is too much to bear. I already regret the past month I've spent doing not much (in my personal time of course).

I'm still 50/50 on whether to use an MBA for a few months and then upgrade to the Haswell, or just use the Dell I purchased.

I wonder how the MBA will hold it's value. Craigslist isn't helping me out much, I don't see a lot of i7/8GB/256GB configs for sale to get an idea for price, but going by the other config, seems like a pretty big hit of about $300-450 which kinda sucks.

I am kind of in the same position as you. I really need a new Mac to get some work done and also do some other things. I've been putting this stuff off all summer in my wait for the Haswell rMBP.

But I'm able to wait a few more weeks. So I will.

 

[GSPice]

I am kind of in the same position as you. I really need a new Mac to get some work done and also do some other things. I've been putting this stuff off all summer in my wait for the Haswell rMBP.

But I'm able to wait a few more weeks. So I will.

I too am willing to wait for Christmas in October.

 

[aiyaaabatt]

In line with what I've been seeing. In that case, whatever I purchase now should be from a long term usage point of view. And long term usage involves Haswell/Retina.

What a mess.

You should be able to find a base configuration 2013 MBA on CL for ~$950.

Likewise, that same MBA you bought for $950, you should be able to sell for ~$850 a year from now (or ~$900-950 if you sell a month from now, after rMBP releases). That is what I did. I bought a MBA off CL, and I will sell it for exactly what I paid for it, or possibly a little more, when rMBP releases.

Base configurations of any Mac product ALWAYS hold their value much much better than BTO configurations.

 

[powerslave12r]

You should be able to find a base configuration 2013 MBA on CL for ~$950.

Likewise, that same MBA you bought for $950, you should be able to sell for ~$850 a year from now (or ~$900-950 if you sell a month from now, after rMBP releases). That is what I did. I bought a MBA off CL, and I will sell it for exactly what I paid for it, or possibly a little more, when rMBP releases.

Base configurations of any Mac product ALWAYS hold their value much much better than BTO configurations.

But I actually do need 8Gigs of RAM. Let me see if I can find any good deals. I considered this but remember coming across only 4GB options.

 

[aiyaaabatt]

But I actually do need 8Gigs of RAM. Let me see if I can find any good deals. I considered this but remember coming across only 4GB options.

You need 8gb for this next one months time? You won't find many, and possibly no 8gb MBA on craigslist. They are rare. Just use 4gb to hold you over for one month until rMBP releases.