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I was actually pleasantly surprised by the battery in my rMBP....I want expecting great things, especially since I run some pretty intensive applications, but I get around 6 hours when I'm working it very hard....that's pretty good considering what that battery is having to deal with. The new Haswells will probably be about the same as posted.....it's reached the point where what needs to happen next, and this applies to all our devices...iPads, IPhones etc. is that battery technology needs to make a jump....I can't see how Apple can find room for a bigger battery in most products now.....Li-Pol has to take a leap forward.
 
The TDP is just the Thermal Design Power. The highest power draw.

Haswell whilst having the same TDP has large savings when idle and its speedstep feature (which dynamically adjusts the clock speed dependant on load) is greatly improved to maximise power savings.

I don't think we can at this point say definitively what power savings (if any) Haswell will bring. On paper it has a lot of new power saving features but we won't know if they make a difference until we get our hands on it.
 
Macman45 said:
I was actually pleasantly surprised by the battery in my rMBP....I want expecting great things, especially since I run some pretty intensive applications, but I get around 6 hours when I'm working it very hard....that's pretty good considering what that battery is having to deal with. The new Haswells will probably be about the same as posted.....it's reached the point where what needs to happen next, and this applies to all our devices...iPads, IPhones etc. is that battery technology needs to make a jump....I can't see how Apple can find room for a bigger battery in most products now.....Li-Pol has to take a leap forward.
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The problem with batteries getting larger and larger is safety, for instance a rMBP 15" has 95 Watt/h battery, that means it has 95 Watts for 1 hour, now compare that to an old 100 W incandescent light bulb, you know how hot those get.
Lets say you get a short circuit, all that energy is released in a very short period of time, dangerous, and the bigger the capacity gets the bigger the problem gets.
What the world needs is high capacity batteries which don't release all of their capacity in a short time span if they are punctured or damaged, until then there won't be higer capacity batteries.
 
Macman45 said:
I was actually pleasantly surprised by the battery in my rMBP....I want expecting great things, especially since I run some pretty intensive applications, but I get around 6 hours when I'm working it very hard....that's pretty good considering what that battery is having to deal with. The new Haswells will probably be about the same as posted.....it's reached the point where what needs to happen next, and this applies to all our devices...iPads, IPhones etc. is that battery technology needs to make a jump....I can't see how Apple can find room for a bigger battery in most products now.....Li-Pol has to take a leap forward.
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I too push my 15" fully optioned MBPr very hard due to the resource intense work I do. The battery life I'm experiencing is far better than I expected. Not only that, I'm pleasantly surprised how well it manages the temps under heavy load for long periods of time. Considering its even thinner than my 2011 15" conventional MBP, this laptop is nothing short of remarkable.
 
maxosx said:
I too push my 15" fully optioned MBPr very hard due to the resource intense work I do. The battery life I'm experiencing is far better than I expected. Not only that, I'm pleasantly surprised how well it manages the temps under heavy load for long periods of time. Considering its even thinner than my 2011 15" conventional MBP, this laptop is nothing short of remarkable.
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The rMBP's have a pretty hefty heat-sink in there...Mine does get toasty hot when working hard, but it's never shut down on me. It's interesting ( see justperry's post) about these batteries....If larger Li-Pol batteries are not an option.....Which in terms of size is certainly true, then some of the new battery technology is going to have to catch up. Apple are SUPER fussy about battery life, constantly telling their engineers that it can't be compromised. It will be interesting to see what emerges in that area.
 
Btw, even if TDP AND sleep state power draw are the same, CPUs can be more efficient when using less cycles to perform operations, thus spending less time at full speed and clocking down earlier.
 
voyagerd said:
Apple would have to have had to choose if the extra power draw would be worth minimal improvements. A Haswell CPU with Intel HD5200 processor graphics has a TDP of 47W. A discreet GPU with similar performance draws about 45W. Either they'd have to use a higher performance, higher wattage GPU, or use Intel Processor Graphics and be able to tout much higher battery life.
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They won't be able to tout any better battery life when going without a dedicated GPU as the numbers they claim now only work out if you do not actually use the dGPU anyway.

In pure TDP they could put a 4670R 65W Desktop part into a 15" when removing the 650M. Or up the TDP to 55 of one of the 47W parts. In both cases battery life would more likely go down rather than up compared to a similar notebook with a dGPU that can be shut off.

Did anybody else notice that not a single leak or press release said anything about the good old 35W parts of the 13" (r)MBP. There is a 28W U part and 47W. That it is a U series part suggest that the 28W is probably lower clocked so it keeps a much lower average power consumption. Not entirely sure if those end up being the same. It is supposed to be only a replacement for the 17W ULV + 15W dGPU configuration.
 
dusk007 said:
Did anybody else notice that not a single leak or press release said anything about the good old 35W parts of the 13" (r)MBP. There is a 28W U part and 47W. That it is a U series part suggest that the 28W is probably lower clocked so it keeps a much lower average power consumption. Not entirely sure if those end up being the same. It is supposed to be only a replacement for the 17W ULV + 15W dGPU configuration.
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Yeah, I remember seeing that 35W mobile processors were being phased out a year or two ago.

I guess time will tell if my sources are right about Apple ditching Nvidia on the MacBook Pro. Maybe a dGPU will only be on the high end model.
 
I did notice the entire absence...

I guess rmbp 13 is now with 45w?
 
If that's the case I'm selling my 2012 MBA for the retina 13. Quad core plus gt3e would be exciting on the 13". Maybe this 47w chip will seperate the classic non retina if rumors are correct that it will still be sold. I'm not holding my breath though cause 47w might be too high for the retina 13?
 
Time Less said:
If that's the case I'm selling my 2012 MBA for the retina 13. Quad core plus gt3e would be exciting on the 13". Maybe this 47w chip will seperate the classic non retina if rumors are correct that it will still be sold. I'm not holding my breath though cause 47w might be too high for the retina 13?
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yeah me neither, while the cooling is actually MUCH better on the rmbp 13 than on the cmbp 13, the laws of thermodynamics dont bow down to marketing
 
Mr MM said:
yeah me neither, while the cooling is actually MUCH better on the rmbp 13 than on the cmbp 13, the laws of thermodynamics dont bow down to marketing
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They could still put it in, it would just throttle itself more aggressively.

I'm sure it would still outperform a 28W dual CPU by a significant margin.
 
I think the 13" rMBP could handle 47W. It is not that much more.
Also there is the option of turning down the TDP for the Chips. Lowers clock speeds some but with turbo you'd still end up at easily the same performance as the current dual core. And more when it is needed.

There are two fans and there would still be no extra dGPU to cool so it should be doable. It is a mighty expensive chip though compared to those cheapo current i5 they use. If at all it will only be the optional upgrade.
 
If Apple decided to remove the discrete GPU from the 15" (certainly TOR 15") it would probably be one of the most stupid decisions they could make made.

I hope for at least a small performance boost from a GPU perspective in the next refresh, my dream would be for them to offer 2gb of video memory....oh well, I can be hopeful :cool:
 
battery life

so practically speaking, can you even peg what the battery life ought to be for the 13" MBAs or 13" rMBPs?

when i bought my 13" MBA 1.5 years ago i was supposed to get 5, maybe 7 hours. i realistically do about 3 if i'm actively using the device - i can't deal with the deep sleep wakeups.
 
I think anyone expecting a magic upgrade just wasn't thinking logically.

I would of waited on a purchase if I really did believe it would be a substantial upgrade, but like all upgrades it's of course just going to be incremental. Less power usage, maybe a little more powerful in speed.

Until theres some breakthrough in electronics don't expect magic people!
 
Haswell MBP

All the rumors I've been reading about the Haswell MBPs say it will be a new line. Are we looking at them just being relegated to retina models, or will there be haswell mbps across the whole line? Do you think the price will be higher for haswell ones or will it be the same price across the board i.e. $1200 for a 13"?
 
Prices will stay the same, highly doubt they would raise them.

Assuming they keep the cMBP is the line up, it will be a full update probably.

If you want to do some reading Haswell has been discussed at length in a lot of other threads here.
 
If the Non-Retina MacBook Pro's stay then I expect the Retina MacBook Pro's to maintain their current price points.

If however the Non-Retina MacBook Pro's are removed from Apples line up I would expect the Retina models to drop in price by perhaps $99 to $299.

My prediction is at WWDC they will announce refreshed 15" and 13" Retina MacBook Pro's featuring Haswell CPU's, 750M Graphics Processors, 802.11ac wireless and increased battery life.

I do not believe the Non-Retina MacBook Pro's will be removed because I still feel that the optical drive is important to Apple in marketing their notebooks to emerging markets. These places have poor internet access and so cannot rely on getting their software and media from the internet.

I think Apple will probably phase out the 15" Non-Retina MacBook Pro in 2014 while keeping the 13" Non-Retina through to 2015.
 
Haswell Smashwell...LOL

I'll believe it when I see it.

Intel's still working to get it debugged.

This is an area that Apple excels in .... planning. Therefore I believe Apple is ready, it's all a matter of waiting for Intel.
 
maxosx said:
Haswell Smashwell...LOL

I'll believe it when I see it.

Intel's still working to get it debugged.

This is an area that Apple excels in .... planning. Therefore I believe Apple is ready, it's all a matter of waiting for Intel.
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You could be right, but I have faith! :D
 
Quu said:
If the Non-Retina MacBook Pro's stay then I expect the Retina MacBook Pro's to maintain their current price points.

If however the Non-Retina MacBook Pro's are removed from Apples line up I would expect the Retina models to drop in price by perhaps $99 to $299.

My prediction is at WWDC they will announce refreshed 15" and 13" Retina MacBook Pro's featuring Haswell CPU's, 750M Graphics Processors, 802.11ac wireless and increased battery life.

I do not believe the Non-Retina MacBook Pro's will be removed because I still feel that the optical drive is important to Apple in marketing their notebooks to emerging markets. These places have poor internet access and so cannot rely on getting their software and media from the internet.

I think Apple will probably phase out the 15" Non-Retina MacBook Pro in 2014 while keeping the 13" Non-Retina through to 2015.
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I feel like this was written by me. Word for word. But I am praying for one more thing. A 512 gig SSD in the base 15" MBPr. It could happen. Not likely, but could. They could offer a 750 and 1TB in the higher end models. This would all be big news
 
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