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Wow. Almost $4000 in all of those countries? I hope it's, for the most part, because their currency is valued higher.

You call, you're right man!

That's the only reason, and it's not more expensive because apple wants higher margin abroad USA
 
One of the main reasons I am purchasing my 13" rMBP is too play League of Legends at friends houses and school clubs.

I believe the 13" rMBP is the 2nd best notebook period for playing that game period.

The Zenbook infinity UX301LA being the 1st.
 
Its going to feel like your in a dream that could leave more to hope for. Notably Sharp's 4K displays that won't be ready till 2014... which means Apple will probably do another "refresh" in Early 2014 for Haswell with upgraded display and with it, maybe even better battery life.

There's never been a half-refresh bump that included major changes to the whole machine like that. Previous between-CPU refreshes have generally been extremely minor (100mhz CPU bump, phasing out the LG displays that display IR being the last example). I find this extremely unlikely.
 
I have a real question at this price point what laptop even comes close to the reliability, performance, integration, innovation and/or sheer concept of the Late 2013 Haswell MacBook Pro. When you look for laptops in this price bracket $2,200-$3,200 what does the competition have to offer. I feel like there's a strong PC contender out there somewhere. I'm very curious, do you guys think the 15" DELL XPS with Haswell and IGZO screen has the capability to give this laptop a run for it's money? I realize with upgrades it borders $3,000. Given the specs what do you guys think will the Dell XPS 15 with IGZO be overall greater than the Haswell rMBP late 2013? I highly doubt we are going to see an upgrade in the late 2013 screen so it will essentially be not as great as the IGZO on the Dell.
 
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I have a real question at this price point what laptop even comes close to the reliability, performance, integration, innovation and/or sheer concept of the Late 2013 Haswell MacBook Pro. When you look for laptops in this price bracket $2,200-$3,200 what does the competition have to offer. I feel like there's a strong PC contender out there somewhere. I'm very curious, do you guys think the 15" DELL XPS with Haswell and IGZO screen has the capability to give this laptop a run for it's money? I realize with upgrades it borders $3,000. Given the specs what do you guys think will the Dell XPS 15 with IGZO be overall greater than the Haswell rMBP late 2013? I highly doubt we are going to see an upgrade in the late 2013 screen so it will essentially be not as great as the IGZO on the Dell.

This is a strong competitor to the 13"
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-Zenbook-Infinity-UX301LA-Ultrabook.103027.0.html
 
I have a real question at this price point what laptop even comes close to the reliability, performance, integration, innovation and/or sheer concept of the MacBook Pro. When you look for laptops in this price bracket $2,200-$3,200 what does the competition have to offer. I feel like there's a strong PC contender out there somewhere. I'm very curious, do you guys think the 15" DELL XPS with Haswell and IGZO screen has the capability to give this laptop a run for it's money? I realize with upgrades it borders $3,000. Given the specs what do you guys think will the Dell XPS 15 with IGZO be overall greater than the Haswell rMBP late 2014? I highly doubt we are going to see an upgrade in the late 2014 screen so it will essentially be not as great as the IGZO on the Dell.

IGZO's only immediate advantage is in battery life, just so you don't think we're talking about a screen that's actually going to be superior in image quality. It may also be able to get brighter in theory, but that depends on the specific panel and its backlighting.

That new XPS looks like a very decent machine, probably a solid competitor, as long as this doesn't bother you:

http://www.displaywars.com/13,3-inch-16x10-vs-15,6-inch-16x9

Blue is the 13.3" rMBP, green is the 15.6" Dell XPS. Yes, this is me complaining about 16:9 again, but that visualization should really make my point: You're getting a larger, heavier machine (15" rMBP size basically) except you're getting very little in terms of vertical physical work area, which is what most people actually need when they're working instead of just playing games or watching videos. To me it feels like kind of a ripoff to get a heavier, bigger machine and basically have the same working area as Apple's ultra-portable.

That said it's definitely Dell's answer to the rMBP. The specs are about in line with what we expect on the 15" Haswell rMBP. If you like 16:9 and don't care about OS X I'd say it does look like a really solid choice.
 
One of the main reasons I am purchasing my 13" rMBP is too play League of Legends at friends houses and school clubs.

I believe the 13" rMBP is the 2nd best notebook period for playing that game period.

The Zenbook infinity UX301LA being the 1st.

What configurations do you use for LoL, and what frames per second too? I want to buy one 13 rmbp 13" too. But, Haswel version. Thanks
 
http://www.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57606096-37/as-macbook-air-ages-apple-rivals-show-the-way-to-retina/

Cnet seems to think Apple needs to either give the MBA a retina display or refresh a thinner rMBP in order to remain competitive.
 
http://www.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57606096-37/as-macbook-air-ages-apple-rivals-show-the-way-to-retina/

Cnet seems to think Apple needs to either give the MBA a retina display or refresh a thinner rMBP in order to remain competitive.

I said this before, but after handling the Air for a week I'm concerned that thinner comes at a serious potential cost if it's not done correctly. That machine does not feel solid, it feels like it has way too much flex if you try to hold it by the "blade" edges. To get thinner these things are going to need a stronger internal framework not made out of aluminum to provide some resistance to bending.

I also can't imagine picking up a 13" rMBP and thinking, "this heavy old thing needs to be smaller and lighter." I'm not even clear what the advantage to making it thinner really is... Is its less than an inch of depth taking up too much space somewhere?
 
Not going to lie PC's are coming in close on paper. Of course I was a hardcore PC guy up until 3 years ago. I would refresh laptops every year sometimes twice in one year. I bought 4 Macs in the last 3 years. The first ever i7 13" back in mid 2011. Then foolishly I bought a MBP 2009 15" because I ended up selling my 13" for financial reasons in late 2011. iMac 27" Mid 2011 with i5 in early 2012. Now just recently 3 days ago I purchased my current 15" i7 2.7ghz Early 2013 rMBP. I have no idea what it is about Windows but their laptops are (excuse my language) sorry a** pieces of s***. They just didn't compare, horrible reliability, failing parts, bad OS, yeah... Never had any real problems with my Macs. I just wished they made them way more customizable but hey as they are they're amazing, however, with the introduction to NO UPGRADES after purchase that's kind of a douche move. Anyways, I happily own this rMBP now and I'm left wanting more, insatiable American state of mind to never be satisfied perhaps. Now I am just ranting. All in all I wish they had a PRO Macbook Pro for us cinematographers and intense editors, only some people may truly understand what I'm saying. Bring back the 17" models!!!
 
What configurations do you use for LoL, and what frames per second too? I want to buy one 13 rmbp 13" too. But, Haswel version. Thanks

Well I tested a MacBook Air. With HD 5000.
And it played lol at like high configuration 60+fps
And on very high at like 45-60fps.
This is with windows of course


And the 5100 should be 20% faster.
 
One of the main reasons I am purchasing my 13" rMBP is too play League of Legends at friends houses and school clubs.

I believe the 13" rMBP is the 2nd best notebook period for playing that game period.

The Zenbook infinity UX301LA being the 1st.

Yay. 13-inch rMBP lovers all aboard! Seem most people are after the 15.

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There's never been a half-refresh bump that included major changes to the whole machine like that. Previous between-CPU refreshes have generally been extremely minor (100mhz CPU bump, phasing out the LG displays that display IR being the last example). I find this extremely unlikely.

Yeah, I don't think Apple would rush just to get that technology in their notebooks. I think they would just wait until the Broadwell refresh.
 
I said this before, but after handling the Air for a week I'm concerned that thinner comes at a serious potential cost if it's not done correctly. That machine does not feel solid, it feels like it has way too much flex if you try to hold it by the "blade" edges. To get thinner these things are going to need a stronger internal framework not made out of aluminum to provide some resistance to bending.

I also can't imagine picking up a 13" rMBP and thinking, "this heavy old thing needs to be smaller and lighter." I'm not even clear what the advantage to making it thinner really is... Is its less than an inch of depth taking up too much space somewhere?

Oh I definitely agree with you that there is such a thing as too thin. I like to call the MBA the "iKnife". One of my main reasons for not getting one is because I'm not sure it would hold up in my backpack with textbooks. It's also a huge jump from my mid-2009 MBP.

I just thought the commentary was interesting. There is certainly some truth in that Apple needs to step up the MBA or release the rMBP quick.
 
I said this before, but after handling the Air for a week I'm concerned that thinner comes at a serious potential cost if it's not done correctly. That machine does not feel solid, it feels like it has way too much flex if you try to hold it by the "blade" edges. To get thinner these things are going to need a stronger internal framework not made out of aluminum to provide some resistance to bending.

I also can't imagine picking up a 13" rMBP and thinking, "this heavy old thing needs to be smaller and lighter." I'm not even clear what the advantage to making it thinner really is... Is its less than an inch of depth taking up too much space somewhere?

I actually prefer the design/weight of the 13-inch rMBP, but maybe that's just me.
 
I think it goes 50/50 in this thread. I want a 13inch as well. I have a Thunderbolt Display I can use when I'm at home. I will mostly use the laptop for basic photoshop, iMovie and dreamweaver use. But the main reason I'm getting it is to configure network devices in different places almost daily and I'm tired of using my dad's windows laptop. I can even get away with the basic haswell model. I'm hoping for the following specs: 8GB of ram, 256GB SSD and intel i5.

It would be cool to have a poll or for people to just list what model they want and the specs they hope for.
 
Not going to lie PC's are coming in close on paper. Of course I was a hardcore PC guy up until 3 years ago. I would refresh laptops every year sometimes twice in one year. I bought 4 Macs in the last 3 years. The first ever i7 13" back in mid 2011. Then foolishly I bought a MBP 2009 15" because I ended up selling my 13" for financial reasons in late 2011. iMac 27" Mid 2011 with i5 in early 2012. Now just recently 3 days ago I purchased my current 15" i7 2.7ghz Early 2013 rMBP. I have no idea what it is about Windows but their laptops are (excuse my language) sorry a** pieces of s***. They just didn't compare, horrible reliability, failing parts, bad OS, yeah... Never had any real problems with my Macs. I just wished they made them way more customizable but hey as they are they're amazing, however, with the introduction to NO UPGRADES after purchase that's kind of a douche move. Anyways, I happily own this rMBP now and I'm left wanting more, insatiable American state of mind to never be satisfied perhaps. Now I am just ranting. All in all I wish they had a PRO Macbook Pro for us cinematographers and intense editors, only some people may truly understand what I'm saying. Bring back the 17" models!!!

Could you stop with the bolding of your computers? It just makes you seem like a bit of a braggart, no offence.
 
I think it goes 50/50 in this thread. I want a 13inch as well. I have a Thunderbolt Display I can use when I'm at home. I will mostly use the laptop for basic photoshop, iMovie and dreamweaver use. But the main reason I'm getting it is to configure network devices in different places almost daily and I'm tired of using my dad's windows laptop. I can even get away with the basic haswell model. I'm hoping for the following specs: 8GB of ram, 256GB SSD and intel i5.

It would be cool to have a poll or for people to just list what model they want and the specs they hope for.

Yeah, next year I'm going for the 13-inch, with most likely the same specs as you, but if a 16GB RAM BTO option makes appearance on the 13-inch next year, I might also spring for that.

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Honestly he sounds like a bit of an elitist, what with how many times he mentions cinematography and how nobody could understand.

Yeah, he does.
 
I said this before, but after handling the Air for a week I'm concerned that thinner comes at a serious potential cost if it's not done correctly. That machine does not feel solid, it feels like it has way too much flex if you try to hold it by the "blade" edges. To get thinner these things are going to need a stronger internal framework not made out of aluminum to provide some resistance to bending.

I also can't imagine picking up a 13" rMBP and thinking, "this heavy old thing needs to be smaller and lighter." I'm not even clear what the advantage to making it thinner really is... Is its less than an inch of depth taking up too much space somewhere?



My 11" Air feels great and solid. But I do agree that Apple has an obsession for making things thinner for no apparent good reason.


They need to worry about performance before shaving .00001" off of something and thinking that's amazing.
 
Yeah, next year I'm going for the 13-inch, with most likely the same specs as you, but if a 16GB RAM BTO option makes appearance on the 13-inch next year, I might also spring for that.

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Yeah, he does.

I think there will definitely be a 16GB RAM option next year. Perhaps even this year with Haswell. And by next year, there will probably be IGZO and quad-core.

That said, how are you going to live with the 4th-gen iPad? ;)

I remember when it came out last year, I already knew the 5th-gen would be much lighter/thinner like the Mini is. The one out now is outdated in terms of design, IMO.
 
Could you stop with the bolding of your computers? It just makes you seem like a bit of a braggart, no offence.

Honestly the only reason I'm doing it is to easily identify. :confused:
Rather that than a mess of text. No offense taken, I can see what you mean.
I am very excited to actually join the discussion and open to hear what everyone has to say.
 
I think it goes 50/50 in this thread. I want a 13inch as well. I have a Thunderbolt Display I can use when I'm at home. I will mostly use the laptop for basic photoshop, iMovie and dreamweaver use. But the main reason I'm getting it is to configure network devices in different places almost daily and I'm tired of using my dad's windows laptop. I can even get away with the basic haswell model. I'm hoping for the following specs: 8GB of ram, 256GB SSD and intel i5.

It would be cool to have a poll or for people to just list what model they want and the specs they hope for.

I'm hoping for the same model :). It just seems silly to go from my current 500gb drive (or even the old 160gb drive) to 128gb. The upgrade to 512gb is more than I'm willing to spend, so 256gb it is. Definitely don't need more that 8gb ram and i5 for my uses.
 
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