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For college students a rMBP would, in my opinion, be an unnecessary strain on both your wallet and your back. Unless your university has some specific demands for very intensive applications an i5 ULV should be much more than enough. The 13 inch Macbook Air is probably the best choice if you don't need to take many handwritten notes. If you do need handwritten notes (mathematics, physics, chemistry) a Haswell Windows 8 hybrid with a stylus is probably the best choice. OneNote has several advantages over both paper and its Android competition.

The rMBP has many great features, but I think of it more as a luxury product bought because of desire than I think of it as serving any particular function better than its competition. I guess the resolution offers the potential of an enormous workspace on the go, but I don't think many people use it that way.
Mostly true although students limited to one screen might like the resolution of the rMPB to be able to fit more on the screen. It's easier to be more productive.
 
Mostly true although students limited to one screen might like the resolution of the rMPB to be able to fit more on the screen. It's easier to be more productive.

Obviously, you never worked on a retina display! It doesn't make you fit more on screen, all it does is make everything crisp sharp. Retina display are just HiDPI screens

HiDPI is not more screen!
 
For college students a rMBP would, in my opinion, be an unnecessary strain on both your wallet and your back. Unless your university has some specific demands for very intensive applications an i5 ULV should be much more than enough. The 13 inch Macbook Air is probably the best choice if you don't need to take many handwritten notes. If you do need handwritten notes (mathematics, physics, chemistry) a Haswell Windows 8 hybrid with a stylus is probably the best choice. OneNote has several advantages over both paper and its Android competition.

The rMBP has many great features, but I think of it more as a luxury product bought because of desire than I think of it as serving any particular function better than its competition. I guess the resolution offers the potential of an enormous workspace on the go, but I don't think many people use it that way.

It hasn't been that long since I left college (so I'd like to think), but I honestly wouldn't use any sort of laptop in the classroom. Too many distractions from the Internet and such.
 
If they do update, that doesn't mean there will be more rMBP's. The price is the main deterrent.
Most students need a PC because they need word, PDF editor etc.
Students that are power users (small amount..me) are the ones that have the need to use a higher power PC.

For college students a rMBP would, in my opinion, be an unnecessary strain on both your wallet and your back. Unless your university has some specific demands for very intensive applications an i5 ULV should be much more than enough. The 13 inch Macbook Air is probably the best choice if you don't need to take many handwritten notes. If you do need handwritten notes (mathematics, physics, chemistry) a Haswell Windows 8 hybrid with a stylus is probably the best choice. OneNote has several advantages over both paper and its Android competition.

The rMBP has many great features, but I think of it more as a luxury product bought because of desire than I think of it as serving any particular function better than its competition. I guess the resolution offers the potential of an enormous workspace on the go, but I don't think many people use it that way.

I don't know about other college campuses, but mine is at least 50/50 Mac and PC, if not more Macs. I'm not in the engineering school, so I can't say what it's like over there. I know they don't outright require a PC over a Mac (some of the specific engineering depts might, but the school as a whole doesn't). My roommate is in Arch E and had a 15" MBP. You don't even need a laptop of your own since they have a massive Linux and Windows lab. The art dept and the school of music have Mac labs but don't require their students to own them.

Yes, I could get by with a PC for Word and Google Chrome, but I chose to get a Mac. My parents and I agreed that it was a good investment to not have to take my computer to Geek Squad every few weeks to have viruses removed.

And on my campus I don't really see cheap PCs there are a few Dells but most of them tend to be Lenovo and higher end HPs. We're not a bunch of broke college kids, apparently (or mom and dad are willing to shell out the money for a higher quality machine that will hopefully last until graduation).
 
Oh, right. The real reason why computer science freshmen need underpowered but overpriced MacBook Pros is not because they want to run some bloatware (like MS Visual Studio), but GAMING! It's all about gaming! Students need MacBook for gaming and not for studying!

Thank you for your honesty!

Yep! Basically all the whinging in the first half of this thread about iris pro 5200 was about gaming. Nobody wanted to admit it, but it came out in a lot of posts.

(this isn't about those who actually do need a stonking dGPU for various reasons)
 
So now its "disheartening" that there is no invite a day b4 the invites? Lets not get to crazy on here.

:rolleyes:

That is not what I said. However, I point out that the day before the invites went out for the iPhone event many sites were 'confirming' the invites for the next day.

That did not happen today. I suspect nothing will be released tomorrow…

-P
 
Obviously, you never worked on a retina display! It doesn't make you fit more on screen, all it does is make everything crisp sharp. Retina display are just HiDPI screens

HiDPI is not more screen!

you do know you can run them at 1920x1200 in osx or even native

For college students a rMBP would, in my opinion, be an unnecessary strain on both your wallet and your back.

if you're a third year doing major project or honors year software engineer an rbmp is the ideal laptop, running at native 2880x1800 can allow us to have fonts that are both small and crisp / readable, considering most of us run linux and our screens look like this:

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you do know you can run them at 1920x1200 in osx or even native



if you're a third year doing major project or honors year software engineer an rbmp is the ideal laptop, running at native 2880x1800 can allow us to have fonts that are both small and crisp / readable, considering most of us run linux and our screens look like this:

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Interesting, but this screen looks like 1,440px × 900px. :cool:

Tried hacks to run native resolution but you can't be productive with that. Not in your tiny hikikomori space, nor in a bright classroom. Readability is impossible unless you're Superman.

I was referring to the 'official' scaling options in OSX though.
 
Interesting, but this screen looks like 1,440px × 900px. :cool:

Tried hacks to run native resolution but you can't be productive with that. Not in your tiny hikikomori space, nor in a bright classroom. Readability is impossible unless you're Superman.

I was referring to the 'official' scaling options in OSX though.

How is it not official when you can go into the settings and change the resolution? You need to do a little more homework.
 
How is it not official when you can go into the settings and change the resolution? You need to do a little more homework.
I suggest you take your own advice about doing homework, because the scaling options in system preferences do not include full native resolution for retina displays.
 
Interesting, but this screen looks like 1,440px × 900px. :cool:

Tried hacks to run native resolution but you can't be productive with that. Not in your tiny hikikomori space, nor in a bright classroom. Readability is impossible unless you're Superman.

I was referring to the 'official' scaling options in OSX though.

1920x1200 on a 15" is very readable for my no-so-youngish-anymore-but-still-decent eyes, provided the text is rendered sharply as it is on the rMBP.
 
I suggest you take your own advice about doing homework, because the scaling options in system preferences do not include full native resolution for retina displays.

Where did I say full native resolution? Reading comprehension much?
 
i honestly don't know what all the obsession with 4K when we KNOW it's not ready for prime time yet. just give up. the next one won't have 4K we already know sharp isn't making them until next february.
 
(this isn't about those who actually do need a stonking dGPU for various reasons)

I am a heavy Aperture, processing large 5mb RAW files, using the original RMBP (15", 2.6G, 16GB, DGPU). The lag while using Aperture is very noticeable and annoying at times. Many are posting that this will be resolved with Mavericks. Will I have a better Aperture experience with the new RMBP with no DGPU, due to Iris and Mavericks? I don't do any gaming, and would certainly welcome improved battery life (even though my current RMBP is pretty decent already).
 
:rolleyes:

That is not what I said. However, I point out that the day before the invites went out for the iPhone event many sites were 'confirming' the invites for the next day.

That did not happen today. I suspect nothing will be released tomorrow…

-P

Because MANY sites get over hyped for the iPhone.
 
Interesting, but this screen looks like 1,440px × 900px. :cool:

Tried hacks to run native resolution but you can't be productive with that. Not in your tiny hikikomori space, nor in a bright classroom. Readability is impossible unless you're Superman.

I was referring to the 'official' scaling options in OSX though.

i just grabbed an image off google (because i only have my phone with me) to demonstrate the text only (cli) nature of our usage, here is a 2880x1800 image if you really want one: https://vec.io/files/512e5a38760c7f854d000002?version=origin (his font is a bigger than what i would use)

basically what im saying is:
cmbp 1440x900 + size 8 font = size 8 blurry text
rmbp 2880x1800 + size 16 font = size 8 crisp text
 
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The only compelling reason to wait for the Haswell MBP rather than buy the current model is the expected power savings/battery life.
Disagree -- if Apple goes 3x3 like they did with the new iMac, the increase in throughput on ac will be a boon to those of us that move large files over wireless.

I don't know about other college campuses, but mine is at least 50/50 Mac and PC, if not more Macs. I'm not in the engineering school, so I can't say what it's like over there. I know they don't outright require a PC over a Mac (some of the specific engineering depts might, but the school as a whole doesn't).
My son is at Virginia Tech in engineering. They are required to have a Windows laptop, down to specific models and specific software suites. If that were not the case, he'd still be on the MBP I passed to him at the end of his junior year in high school to get "used to" before he hit college.
 
Disagree -- if Apple goes 3x3 like they did with the new iMac, the increase in throughput on ac will be a boon to those of us that move large files over wireless.

Battery life & PCIe SSD will be nice, but 11ac is exactly why I've been waiting.

Also wondering with it being as late in the year as it is if we won't see a slight form factor change... I put odds on that at "very low", but that's up substantially from "non-existent".
 
Disagree -- if Apple goes 3x3 like they did with the new iMac, the increase in throughput on ac will be a boon to those of us that move large files over wireless.

Tru dat...IF. I haven't heard any rumors to that effect though but it'd be nice. I was actually just referring to the minor performance difference between Haswell and Ivy Bridge.
 
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