Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[yemble]

you just said 'avg. consumer' about a 'pro' product, wtf

Avg / pro / whatever. It's meaningless in this context because of the way Apple has split the range. Low res screens on the air, high res screens on the pro. An "average" consumer who wants a modern LCD screen must buy the pro, whether they are interested in the ram/core increase or not.

Until the retina air is announced, pro just means retina (with warmer chips).

 

[sarakn]

+1. I still can't figure out how people are ready to commit to one OS vs. the other so easily. Makes no sense whatsoever. I'll just patiently wait, I'll have at least another Mac when it finally comes out. Not a Win-Dell. So sad to use a Dell.

I'm not going to knock Dell because they have been good to me. Dell was the first PC I ever purchased as a Computer Science student and I have been loyal to that brand. I started off with a used desktop and when there were problems, the company did it's best to resolve it. Of course, I raised hell but in the end it worked out.

Case in point: this laptop I'm using now. I received this in 2010 as a replacement to a laptop I purchased in 2008. So for about $1600 or so, I've had a good laptop for 5 years.

The problem many people have is thinking all products in the same brand will perform the same. My sister purchases a $600 Dell and wonders why it's slow - I tell her it does not need more RAM, it needs a dustbin.

Anyway, if you want something that will last and work well for you, buy the best machine you can afford. We all know there are 2 basic things - memory and processor. Another is the brand - some brands are better than others, so do your research and choose wisely.

Also, whether you run Windows or OSX, it doesn't always make or break your experience. Most of the issues are related to user error. Installing junk apps, spy-ware & bloatware; running without anti-virus programs or outdated programs, or expecting a $500 machine to perform like a $2,000 system.

OSX or Windows - buy what suits your needs. Windows is not that bad.

 

[dieqast]

At first I read this and thought that no way would Macs lead. But Apple does tend to leave what they think is best for last and for them it's their money maker, the iPad. If this is the presentation it will be a amazing. I don't think the Mac mini will get any love on stage though.

As long as we're speculating, the MBP would definitely be before the Mac Pro. It's a bigger launch due to the total redesign. The iPads would definitely be the last products introduced.

Agreed on that last part ValSalva, they could silent update the Mac Mini somewhere (15th or during the keynote). They could spend some time talking about iOS 7 instead to make the event more iPad-centric.

ScubaCinci, I see your point, if there is no redesign of the MBP. In terms of popularity and sales, the MBP is more important to Apple.

Something like this then?

2013 Oct event mins. (prediction)

0-14 Sales
14-25 Mavericks
25-28 MBP
28-37 Mac Pro
37-46 iPad sales / iOS 7
46-69 iPad 5 / Mini Retina
69-72 Cook Closing

 

[powerslave12r]

I'm not going to knock Dell because they have been good to me. Dell was the first PC I ever purchased as a Computer Science student and I have been loyal to that brand. I started off with a used desktop and when there were problems, the company did it's best to resolve it. Of course, I raised hell but in the end it worked out.

Case in point: this laptop I'm using now. I received this in 2010 as a replacement to a laptop I purchased in 2008. So for about $1600 or so, I've had a good laptop for 5 years.

The problem many people have is thinking all products in the same brand will perform the same. My sister purchases a $600 Dell and wonders why it's slow - I tell her it does not need more RAM, it needs a dustbin.

Anyway, if you want something that will last and work well for you, buy the best machine you can afford. We all know there are 2 basic things - memory and processor. Another is the brand - some brands are better than others, so do your research and choose wisely.

Also, whether you run Windows or OSX, it doesn't always make or break your experience. Most of the issues are related to user error. Installing junk apps, spy-ware & bloatware; running without anti-virus programs or outdated programs, or expecting a $500 machine to perform like a $2,000 system.

OSX or Windows - buy what suits your needs. Windows is not that bad.

That's the biggest fallacy I've come across. Most of the times people compare $1500 macbooks to $600 Dells (which, by the way, if you know how to shop, can get you much more expensive Dells).

 

[sarakn]

That's the biggest fallacy I've come across. Most of the times people compare $1500 macbooks to $600 Dells (which, by the way, if you know how to shop, can get you much more expensive Dells).

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain?

 

[gutierrezdev]

Nice one.

Okay, you're right.

I want 6 minutes of attention!

Yeah

 

[GSPice]

Here's to hoping that the rMBP is worth more than a silent refresh.
But now that we know it'll have a dGPU, I'm not really worried.

 

[zI INFINITY Iz]

Here's to hoping that the rMBP is worth more than a silent refresh.
But now that we know it'll have a dGPU, I'm not really worried.

Did I miss something (great)? I never though the next rMBP would come without a dGPU, but having it confirmed would be awesome

 

[djra8]

Here's to hoping that the rMBP is worth more than a silent refresh.
But now that we know it'll have a dGPU, I'm not really worried.

I dont get on here much, I must have missed a post? how do you know we will get a dGPU for sure? if thats true, I agree with you. thats all i was worried about too.

 

[Ursadorable]

I dont get on here much, I must have missed a post? how do you know we will get a dGPU for sure? if thats true, I agree with you. thats all i was worried about too.

For the premium price they command for a rMBP, it would be laughable if it didn't have a dGPU.

 

[johnnylarue]

At first I read this and thought that no way would Macs lead. But Apple does tend to leave what they think is best for last and for them it's their money maker, the iPad. If this is the presentation it will be a amazing. I don't think the Mac mini will get any love on stage though.

Re: the Mac Pro, I was surprised to find a slick little 15-second (?) commercial playing for it amidst the previews when I saw 'Gravity' yesterday. My first thought was, "Cool!" and then I thought, "But why the hell would Apple sink money into advertising such a marginal product??"

Seems like they intend to treat the Pro as more than just a niche "bragging rights" machine...

 

[mneblett]

Seems like they intend to treat the Pro as more than just a niche "bragging rights" machine...

If this is correct, I believe it's brilliant marketing.

Today, Apple sells the iMac to most "average Joes" -- a system which is "complete," with integrated monitor, storage, etc.

What could be smarter than to bring the initial cost of the iTrashCan down into the reach of the "common man"?

The average Joe buys one thinking they're getting a "deal" on the "best" Apple machine.

THEN, "Joe" starts incrementally spending more -- if you have a new Pro, you'd of course want the "best" Thunderbolt display to go with it, even if you have to wait a month or two before your wallet could take the hit again. Then there's other peripherals -- external storage, magic trackpad, hubs, etc., etc.

Ulitmately, Apple sees $4k in the coffers, not just $2K from the "complete" iMac purchase.

Brilliant.

 

[GSPice]

Did I miss something (great)? I never though the next rMBP would come without a dGPU, but having it confirmed would be awesome

I dont get on here much, I must have missed a post? how do you know we will get a dGPU for sure? if thats true, I agree with you. thats all i was worried about too.

Gentlemen, gentlemen! Let's all take a look at two things:

1) the current lineup of iMacs
2) history

Then, profit!

 

[powerslave12r]

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain?

I mean that saying Dell laptops suck/are plasticky/look ugly and what not is like saying Nikon cameras are plasticky/no good for low light/feel cheap etc based on their cheaper consumer level offerings.

The "Dell is ****" theme is common with people coming from Inspiron and XPS laptops and then going to Macbooks. Of course it's ****, you're going from a $600-800 notebook to a notebook that costs twice as much. That's not to say that you can't configure it to match the $1500 price tag, but you get the point (hopefully).

If you buy Dell laptops that fall in a similar price range (Latitudes, Precisions), you will not encounter the same level of complaints. Of course, these are bulky notebooks (lighter options available now), running windows and all that which may or may not suit you. But they are not ****, or plasticky or fall apart. These laptops are as good as they get and perform extremely well after 5+ years easy. (No exaggeration, speaking from personal experience and you can read people's experiences online.)

Sorry about making a Dell post here, but promise this will be the last one.

 

[dieqast]

THEN, "Joe" starts incrementally spending more -- if you have a new Pro, you'd of course want the "best" Thunderbolt display to go with it, even if you have to wait a month or two before your wallet could take the hit again. Then there's other peripherals -- external storage, magic trackpad, hubs,

Clever indeed, I do expect some word on a 4K TB2 Cinema Display to go along with the Mac Pro announcement. What would a new Mac Pro be without a awesome display to go with it?

0-14 Sales
14-25 Mavericks
25-28 MBP
28-37 Mac Pro / 4K Cinema Display
37-46 iPad sales / iOS 7
46-69 iPad 5 / Mini Retina
69-72 Cook Closing

 

[GSPice]

Clever indeed, I do expect some word on a 4K TB2 Cinema Display to go along with the Mac Pro announcement. What would a new Mac Pro be without a awesome display to go with it?

Just a trash can! Or R2D2! Or iBBQ! Right? Still funny and original, right?

 

[sarakn]

Being new to Apple, I wondered why Apple had the Mac Pro in addition to iMac and Mac Mini.

Just looking at the configuration options available with the base unit and you can easily spec something out at over $5K. What impresses me most is how scalable the unit is - multiple HD bays, 32GB ram, etc - all these options to have a system that could last over 5 years.

I'm almost tempted to buy it when the new Mac Pro is released, but why?

 

[GSPice]

Being new to Apple, I wondered why Apple had the Mac Pro in addition to iMac and Mac Mini.

Just looking at the configuration options available with the base unit and you can easily spec something out at over $5K. What impresses me most is how scalable the unit is - multiple HD bays, 32GB ram, etc - all these options to have a system that could last over 5 years.

I'm almost tempted to buy it when the new Mac Pro is released, but why?

If you have to ask...

Seriously though, if you're using the right applications, you'd know precisely why you'd have to have a Mac Pro.

On a lesser scale, I don't enjoy waiting several seconds/minutes for every edit I make, and waiting half a day for my projects to render. That's why I'm getting a beefier system.

 

[sarakn]

I mean that saying Dell laptops suck/are plasticky/look ugly and what not is like saying Nikon cameras are plasticky/no good for low light/feel cheap etc based on their cheaper consumer level offerings.

The "Dell is ****" theme is common with people coming from Inspiron and XPS laptops and then going to Macbooks. Of course it's ****, you're going from a $600-800 notebook to a notebook that costs twice as much. That's not to say that you can't configure it to match the $1500 price tag, but you get the point (hopefully).

If you buy Dell laptops that fall in a similar price range (Latitudes, Precisions), you will not encounter the same level of complaints. Of course, these are bulky notebooks (lighter options available now), running windows and all that which may or may not suit you. But they are not ****, or plasticky or fall apart. These laptops are as good as they get and perform extremely well after 5+ years easy. (No exaggeration, speaking from personal experience and you can read people's experiences online.)

Sorry about making a Dell post here, but promise this will be the last one.

That's exactly my point and I was not even comparing Dells to Macs. The fact is people like to dismiss an entire line of a product as part of a mantra and that does not hold true at all. Dells have served me very well because I stuck with better-loaded systems to run the apps I need professionally.

Granted they falter, but so do macs. Most people who give blanket statements like "Dells are crap" or "Macs suck because they are overpriced" or "...too childlike" or "...too restricted" generally don't know what they're talking about. They're just repeating what they overheard somewhere.

 

[powerslave12r]

That's exactly my point and I was not even comparing Dells to Macs. The fact is people like to dismiss an entire line of a product as part of a mantra and that does not hold true at all. Dells have served me very well because I stuck with better-loaded systems to run the apps I need professionally.

Granted they falter, but so do macs. Most people who give blanket statements like "Dells are crap" or "Macs suck because they are overpriced" or "...too childlike" or "...too restricted" generally don't know what they're talking about. They're just repeating what they overheard somewhere.

That about sums it up. So if beating on Dell is making someone happier with their mac purchase, so be it.

More kool-aid to ya!

 

[JorgeLomeli]

I'm starting to get worried

Now we know the next keynote will take place on Sept. 22, and ALL i hear is rumors about iPad5, Mavericks, ipad mini, Mac Pro.... but NOT A SINGLE one about the Haswell rMBP

Im starting to think that we wouldnt see any rMBP this year... and that really %$%&"!$ me off!!

 

[dieqast]

Just a trash can! Or R2D2! Or iBBQ! Right? Still funny and original, right?

What about a Gold C3PO Cinema Display to keep that R2D2 company ?

 

[se-nsei]

I'm starting to get worried

Now we know the next keynote will take place on Sept. 22, and ALL i hear is rumors about iPad5, Mavericks, ipad mini, Mac Pro.... but NOT A SINGLE one about the Haswell rMBP

Im starting to think that we wouldnt see any rMBP this year... and that really %$%&"!$ me off!!

http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/8/4816430/apple-to-host-event-october-22nd

 

[sarakn]

I'm starting to get worried

Now we know the next keynote will take place on Sept. 22, and ALL i hear is rumors about iPad5, Mavericks, ipad mini, Mac Pro.... but NOT A SINGLE one about the Haswell rMBP

Im starting to think that we wouldnt see any rMBP this year... and that really %$%&"!$ me off!!

I'm preparing myself for the inevitable. I was so sure rMBPs would be released at WWDC I even listened to the damn thing. It took a few minutes for it to sink in and I was p*ssed. I don't think it's going to happen at all - there have been no leaks, promises or anything. All this rMBP stuff was a result of *****-talking Kuo and it snowballed into nothing. Remember the September prediction?

 

[PDFierro]

I'm starting to get worried

Now we know the next keynote will take place on Sept. 22, and ALL i hear is rumors about iPad5, Mavericks, ipad mini, Mac Pro.... but NOT A SINGLE one about the Haswell rMBP

Im starting to think that we wouldnt see any rMBP this year... and that really %$%&"!$ me off!!

We don't need to hear any rumors to know it's coming.