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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

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right all this 5100 or 5200, IGZO or TB2 is getting boring...


I wanna talk about:

1) number of USB 3 I/O: Ivy bridge could only support 2 USB 3 ports and apple didn't want to have mixture of USB 2 and USB 3 ports on the same device so they were limited to only 2 USB 3 ports which for a pro device is a bit short.

what are the chances of an increase(say to 3 or 4) in te number of USB 3 ports?

2) the infrared ports on legacy macbooks(cmbp):
what are the chances of them making a come back, I assume they don't cost much and don't take much space and I found them really helpful(turning everyone's music on during a lecture with 300 people hehe)

3) with the introduction of finger scanners on the iPhones and probably iPads, chances we might see them on MacBooks as well(apple did release a keychain app for ios7 that got pulled - perhaps to be released with the new MacBooks and iPads?).

many hp laptops have a small 2cm x 0.5 cm strip that scans fingerprints, perhaps apple will something similar with one of the buttons on the keyboard( or reintroduce the separate power button like they had on the cmbp)

this is all just speculation, just want some of your points of views on possibility of these features(because of the wait I assume there will be some new hardware features other than just pci ssd, haswell, 802.11ac)


thanks
 
johnnylarue said:
You know, a nice big TV with an HDMI-in can work pretty well as a stand-in external display if this is about having people over to screen your work. A lot of people use them as second screens for editing, too--especially when working from home, obviously.
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Also, you can Airplay to an AppleTV while sitting on the couch. Works fantastic with Mavericks multi-monitor support; I mean that's what I've heard...

EDIT: Although the side-dock doesn't show up on both monitors, which is a shame.
 
So this delay is mainly because of IGZO Displays? :eek: I think some of you guys have been sniffing the battery glue coming from the innards of your current rMBP’s for too long.

This is all about Intel.
 
OMGwtfBBQwings said:
I wanna talk about:

1) number of USB 3 I/O: Ivy bridge could only support 2 USB 3 ports and apple didn't want to have mixture of USB 2 and USB 3 ports on the same device so they were limited to only 2 USB 3 ports which for a pro device is a bit short.

what are the chances of an increase(say to 3 or 4) in te number of USB 3 ports?

2) the infrared ports on legacy macbooks(cmbp):
what are the chances of them making a come back, I assume they don't cost much and don't take much space and I found them really helpful(turning everyone's music on during a lecture with 300 people hehe)

3) with the introduction of finger scanners on the iPhones and probably iPads, chances we might see them on MacBooks as well(apple did release a keychain app for ios7 that got pulled - perhaps to be released with the new MacBooks and iPads?).
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1) Very small. Only the 17'' unibody MBP has (or had) 3 USB ports, the 15'' and 13'' only every had two ports. This has nothing to do with Ivy not supporting more than two USB 3.0 ports, but with Apple usual form over function design. I don't see them abandoning it. Be happy that the rMBP has the ports on different sides, so you can actually connect two USB devices.

2) Zero chance in my opinion.

3) This one I really don't know. It doesn't seem to be a feature that the majority of laptop users want, so I don't think it is very likely. But I could be wrong here.
 
Rmbp in zombie apocalypse

GIVE ME 20 HOURS OF BATTERY LIFE.

Hi everyone, I just think now the rmbp just does not have enough battery life: 8-9 light, 3-4 heavy tasks. So does anyone here think a 20 hour battery life is possible because I want to re-watch 4 seasons of walking dead when the zombie apocalypse comes. UNDER CLOCK THE CPU GIVE WHEN WATCHING A MOVIE.
 
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Wilsoncw1997 said:
GIVE ME 20 HOURS OF BATTERY LIFE.

Hi everyone, I just think now the rmbp just does not have enough battery life: 8-9 light, 3-4 heavy tasks. So does anyone here think a 20 hour battery life is possible because I want to re-watch 4 seasons of walking dead when the zombie apocalypse comes. UNDER CLOCK THE CPU GIVE WHEN WATCHING A MOVIE.
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Troll alert.
 
OMGwtfBBQwings said:
3) with the introduction of finger scanners on the iPhones and probably iPads, chances we might see them on MacBooks as well...
...many hp laptops have a small 2cm x 0.5 cm strip that scans fingerprints, perhaps apple will something similar with one of the buttons on the keyboard.
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I bloody hope not...
 
Wilsoncw1997 said:
GIVE ME 20 HOURS OF BATTERY LIFE.

Hi everyone, I just think now the rmbp just does not have enough battery life: 8-9 light, 3-4 heavy tasks. So does anyone here think a 20 hour battery life is possible because I want to re-watch 4 seasons of walking dead when the zombie apocalypse comes. UNDER CLOCK THE CPU GIVE WHEN WATCHING A MOVIE.
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0.5/10 troll way harder
 
OneCharmingQuar said:
I think IGZO displays are almost guaranteed in the 2014 rMBP. For 2013 I think it's less likely. None of the rumours suggesting it seem very reliable to me, but Apple could have kept something secret. It's probably not worth it at this point unless the IGZO display adds several hours of battery life. Switching tech would be expensive, especially given Apple's unique demands for resolution and aspect ratio. The smaller body of the new iPad, however, suggests to me that it might be using an IGZO screen. The technology also improves touch sensitivity, which makes sense on an iPad or a touch laptop, not so much on a rMBP.

As far as Dell is concerned we know for certain that they have IGZO monitors in their October lineup. The M4800 workstation uses a matte Quad HD+ screen, and the XPS 15 uses a glossy touch Quad HD+. The upcoming M3800 (an XPS 15 with a Quadro professional graphics card) will also use IGZO. The XPS 11 apparently also uses an IGZO display. This makes sense since it matches a screen size and resolution that Sharp has previously said they would be making.
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IGZO is just a different kind of backlighting tech that competes with LEDs. There is no technical reason that they couldn't replace LEDs with IGZO in any display.
 
Krazy Bill said:
So this delay is mainly because of IGZO Displays? :eek: I think some of you guys have been sniffing the battery glue coming from the innards of your current rMBP’s for too long.

This is all about Intel.
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Why is it that the Dell XPS 15 has IGZO and is coming out in 5 days, but no one thinks the Apple will get IGZO when it releases?
 
Freyqq said:
IGZO is just a different kind of backlighting tech that competes with LEDs. There is no technical reason that they couldn't replace LEDs with IGZO in any display.
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IGZO (Indium Gallium Zinc Oxide) is a semiconducting material for thin-film transistors. It is not a backlighting technology.

Electrons move faster in IGZO and that brings benefits in current flow that mean the transistors can be made much smaller. Because the size of the transistor directly affects the size of the pixel, a smaller transistor allows for smaller pixels and so more can be crammed in per inch than today.
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This difference in current flow inside the screen also means that transistors don't have to be continually refreshed when a still image is on the screen. That leads to lower power consumption and, for touch panels, much less interference from the screen's electronics so the touch panel becomes more accurate and sensitive, said Nobuhiro Okan, a manager with Sharp's display device group.
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Source
 
Freyqq said:
IGZO is just a different kind of backlighting tech that competes with LEDs. There is no technical reason that they couldn't replace LEDs with IGZO in any display.
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It's expensive though, and you know apple doesn't like to make improvements, unless it involves increasing the price by $500 like with the rMBP.

When more of the competition does it, they will follow suit. That means, Dell may be starting it this month, and I'm sure many others in November, December, January, and February. So by next June or October, we'll see it in the rMBP refresh ;)

I'm hoping they put it in though too, I think it's very possible and almost unexcusable. The one thing Windows computers have over the rMBP in their chances of getting IGZO first is that they've been holding out with 1080p screens while Apple had the Retina Macbook's a year early. So now it's possible windows has IGZO for a year first, and then apple will get it after. There are some cons to being an early adapter, in both cases.

Keep in mind, if apple holds out on IGZO this year, that means next year we're getting 4K IGZO displays...:D I like that jump a little better

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ChildishGambino said:
0.5/10 troll way harder
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Wow guys, this dude was serious. Lol

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1652550/
 
AndreasM said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here but Ivy was released almost exactly one year earlier(in May) and then they launched the rmbp 15 inch in June. Also this year they managed to get Haswell CPU's into the new Air in June. I understand that it's not the same model that will end up in rmbp but still then it must have been a serious problem at Intel for this platform generation.
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Your hypothesis that Intel "must have" had a "serious problem" producing the Haswell processors that will run the MBPs is interesting. I used to work in CPU development at Intel. Intel face and overcome serious problems with every CPU generation. It is normal that some processors in each generation are released months before others. The number of steppings required prior to shipping is variable and varies for each layout. Layout varies with number of cores, cache sizes, GPU type, etc. The Ivy Bridge CPUs for the new Mac Pro are not yet shipping (last I checked), so it should not be a surprise that some Haswell CPUs are not yet shipping.
 
Starfyre said:
Why is it that the Dell XPS 15 has IGZO and is coming out in 5 days, but no one thinks the Apple will get IGZO when it releases?
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Actually, we're completely in the dark as to what Apple is planning for the MBP; there have been so many rumors that turned out to be incorrect that it's almost pointless now. There's been no mention of MBPs at the Oct. 22 event, so we might not even see them till next year.

I'm still of the opinion that Apple would've released the rMBPs in September at the very latest if all they had to do was put in a Haswell chip. I hope that we'll see something interesting, even if it doesn't happen next event. Although, I really wish Apple would share a bit more info on product updates, as it happened with the Mac Pro.
 
Has apple, in the past, ever kept really quiet regarding a release, because they were planning massive improvements?

Or, should we regard this silence as an indication that there may in fact be no rMBP update this year?

Because, there have been leaks on Mac Pro, Ipad, iphones, mavericks, and all that crap... but no word on rMBP... :(
 
aiyaaabatt said:
Has apple, in the past, ever kept really quiet regarding a release, because they were planning massive improvements?

Or, should we regard this silence as an indication that there may in fact be no rMBP update this year?

Because, there have been leaks on Mac Pro, Ipad, iphones, mavericks, and all that crap... but no word on rMBP... :(
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There have been leaks on the rMBP. Plenty of them. What would you like to know? Besides, this is really just a minor update for the rMBP. It's not a massive improvement. At the event Apple wouldn't talk about it for more than 2-3 minutes.

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Ironsyde said:
Actually, we're completely in the dark as to what Apple is planning for the MBP; there have been so many rumors that turned out to be incorrect that it's almost pointless now. There's been no mention of MBPs at the Oct. 22 event, so we might not even see them till next year.

I'm still of the opinion that Apple would've released the rMBPs in September at the very latest if all they had to do was put in a Haswell chip. I hope that we'll see something interesting, even if it doesn't happen next event. Although, I really wish Apple would share a bit more info on product updates, as it happened with the Mac Pro.
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October was always more logical than September.
 
Ironsyde said:
Actually, we're completely in the dark as to what Apple is planning for the MBP; there have been so many rumors that turned out to be incorrect that it's almost pointless now. There's been no mention of MBPs at the Oct. 22 event, so we might not even see them till next year.

I'm still of the opinion that Apple would've released the rMBPs in September at the very latest if all they had to do was put in a Haswell chip. I hope that we'll see something interesting, even if it doesn't happen next event. Although, I really wish Apple would share a bit more info on product updates, as it happened with the Mac Pro.
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That was a unique situation where they had to say something before the pros completely lost faith and abandoned Apple altogether.


I'm picking a silent MBP upgrade the week following the Oct 22nd event. New Haswell for all models except the 15" cMBP which will be discontinued.
 
PDFierro said:
There have been leaks on the rMBP. Plenty of them. What would you like to know? Besides, this is really just a minor update for the rMBP. It's not a massive improvement. At the event Apple wouldn't talk about it for more than 2-3 minutes.

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October was always more logical than September.
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http://retinamacbookpro.macrumors.com/

We pretty much haven't seen anything since July's benchmarks, especially compared to all the other products (look at the number of iPad leaks). If it drops out of the sky on the 22nd I'll be happy, but I wouldn't bet on it.
 
Ironsyde said:
Actually, we're completely in the dark as to what Apple is planning for the MBP; there have been so many rumors that turned out to be incorrect that it's almost pointless now.
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I think it's a safe bet that we'll see Haswell CPUs (obvious), PCIe SSD (because we see it in the MBA), and 802.11ac (because we see it in the MBA, iMac, Airport Extreme, and Time Capsule). Other expected features like an upgrade of the FaceTime camera to 1080p are more speculative.

Ironsyde said:
There's been no mention of MBPs at the Oct. 22 event, so we might not even see them till next year.
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Yes, next year is possible but seemingly unlikely.

Ironsyde said:
I'm still of the opinion that Apple would've released the rMBPs in September at the very latest if all they had to do was put in a Haswell chip.
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That cannot be correct because no manufacturer has yet shipped a laptop with any of the Haswell CPUs we expect in the MBPs.

Ironsyde said:
I really wish Apple would share a bit more info on product updates, as it happened with the Mac Pro.
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That won't happen because of the Osborne Effect.
 
Brian Kendig said:
Yeah! Take the MacBook Pro and add one or two more USB3 ports, make the memory and SSD user-upgradable, give it an Ethernet port and a Kensington lock port, make the display non-glossy (I don't know of anyone who prefers the reflective display anyway), and give it at least a GeForce 765M. Now you're talking!
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I prefer the glossy display. I don't like the look of anti-glare screens, they ruin the design aesthetic of the computer/monitor, in my opinion.
 
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