Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

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I've been using Windows since last 15 yrs and considering a move to Mac. Have been waiting for the rMBP 13" since last 6 months. Only thing that swayed me away from buying MBA was that it did not have a high res display and a graphics card for those pixels.

Better cooling, slightly more powerful processor, better GPU. I am referring to the 13-inch. Also, I vastly prefer the design of the rMBP, even if it is heavier/thicker.

I feel I am getting more out of the rMBP than the MBA. So even if they both had a Retina display, I would go rMBP.

 

[bbapps]

Don't get your hopes up for IGZO this refresh.
Sharp showed their first 15" UHD samples this month, while mass-production would start february 2014. Explain me how Apple could release an IGZO rMBP this month/year when mass-production would commence in february?

What are you thinking, maybe June next year or later?

 

[dieqast]

Yes, but just because Sharp showed it first this month, don't necessarily mean it will take until February before its at all possible to end up on a rMBP.
Also a switch to IGZO don't have to mean the rMBP is going over to 4k.
(But i do agree that its more likely that they will)
It could keep the current resolution, and just swap technologies.

There are two reasons however why Apple could wait for Broadwell to implement IGZO:

1) IGZO enables much thinner displays, so Apple could use that in the case redesign, which is expected in 2014.

2) Waiting for 4K IGZO panels to be in mass production. I'd bet they should be ready before WWDC 2014.

As said earlier, it would be icing on the cake for this refresh but it's not a dealbreaker IMO.

Edit: zOlid, the Tom's Hardware report I posted shows the current displays in production. The 13 inch is a 3200x1800 display. The current Retina 13 is 2560x1600. I have not seen other manufacturers thuss far in production. So if IGZO makes an appearance this month, it'll be higher resolution (3200x2000 or 2880x1800 is a guess).

 

[ScubaCinci]

There should be a separate thread purely for MBP rumors (reported). This one is full of guesses, hopes, dreams and insanity.

 

[bbapps]

Waiting for a MBP roadmap to leak!

 

[PDFierro]

Waiting for a MBP roadmap to leak!

Good luck with that.

 

[dahlblom]

There should be a separate thread purely for MBP rumors (reported). This one is full of guesses, hopes, dreams and insanity.

Well we're all waiting for the haswell MBP so anything can happend

 

[LiveinRiot]

4k in retina macbooks?
Man, the rmbp 15" have UI lags issues on 1800p imagine on 4k.

 

[Chris5488]

15" uhd igzo

You guys asked for a source:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20131003PD214.html
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/91725/sh...es-igzo-laptopschermen-met-uhd-resolutie.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/4k-uhd-sharp-igzo-apple,24459.html

And yes TomsHardware says Apple might use it in it's next rMBP if supplies are decent, but when mass production is about to start in february it seems more of a possibility for next refresh next summer.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Sharp-Displays-IGZO-LCD-Technology-Production,22623.html

Mind you, this article is from May 2013. And yes it is not UHD, but it's very close to Retina resolution on the 13 at least.

I forgot that the current rMBP has a lower ppi than that UHD IGZO I was talking about. On the other hand, the displays you suggest don't seem compatible with current rMBP's since those are 16:9 and the rMBP's screen ratio is 16:10.

How do you square this with the several other Win machine IZGO release announcements?

Same story: different screen ratios. Dell's XPS 15" uses a 3200x1800 IGZO, which is 16:9 widescreen and not 16:10.

Yes, but just because Sharp showed it first this month, don't necessarily mean it will take until February before its at all possible to end up on a rMBP. Also a switch to IGZO don't have to mean the rMBP is going over to 4k. (But i do agree that its more likely that they will)
It could keep the current resolution, and just swap technologies.

The reason we are still seeing IGZO as a small possibility, is because other laptop brands have already released computers featuring IGZO displays.

Also as I've understood it the IGZO technology have been licensed to other manufacturers also, so the IGZO displays don't necessarily have to come from Sharp.

And that report about them starting production in February, is a bit different on some sites. Some say they will open up a second production facility for mass production in February, but its already in production at the moment.

And one should also take in to account that Apple have a history of getting access to new tech early, and with little information beforehand from manufacturers.

If Sharp claims mass production will start in february and Apple is known to get it's hands on new tech early, you are suggesting Apple is going to build the new rMBP's using Sharp's early builds? Or IGZO's from other manufacturers? Which other manufacturers? Very small possibility, but more likely for next refresh next summer.

What are you thinking, maybe June next year or later?

Whenever rMBP's next refresh is scheduled, along with Broadwell. June next year might be possible. I'm not saying this UHD IGZO will be the one for a rMBP, since it's 16:9 too. All I want to say is that we currently have no information what so ever about the existence of a 16:10 IGZO in 13" and 15". Maybe it's a well kept secret? Maybe Apple will shift to 16:9 in favor of implementing IGZO's??

Ofcourse I want an IGZO this refresh too, if Apple gives us IGZO this month than you can all come back, quoting this comment and laugh at me , but I don't think anyone would care anymore, we'll be too busy enjoying our new rMBP's then I just want to say: just don't count on it for this refresh

 

[Koulie]

Is it possible to use the Time Capsule as external storage + back up? Also can it be accessed worldwide over the Internet?

Sorry for all the questions. I haven't found much help on Google.

Totally agree with you about the lack of clarity from a Google search.

I seeked the same answer a few months back and did stubble across a helpful YouTube video which explained it works perfectly as a Network Hardrive ie Wireless External Hardrive.

Luckily for me the new AC Gen Time Capsule came at WWDC, just as I was about to buy one.

The Time Capsule will firstly have to be set up (nothing special required) with the Software (works with Windows). After that it will automatically appear under Networks for Mac/Windows computers connected to the Capsule or the connected Modem. Clicking onto it will bring you a blank drive which can then be used as a normal external Hardrive.
Note: the Capsule offers a read-only 'Guest' account by default, you can set a password for it for write/delete 'Admin' rights.

I use my 3TB Time Capsule as a Movie, Music, Photo + more Network drive for the whole family.

 

[Hypathia]

Does IGZO also lead to better or worse image quality, or is it just about lower power consumption?

 

[GSPice]

Does IGZO also lead to better or worse image quality, or is it just about lower power consumption?

Worse.

Lol it's better but some say angled viewing isn't as good

 

[dieqast]

I forgot that the current rMBP has a lower ppi than that UHD IGZO I was talking about. On the other hand, the displays you suggest don't seem compatible with current rMBP's since those are 16:9 and the rMBP's screen ratio is 16:10.

Whenever rMBP's next refresh is scheduled, along with Broadwell. June next year might be possible. I'm not saying this UHD IGZO will be the one for a rMBP, since it's 16:9 too. All I want to say is that we currently have no information what so ever about the existence of a 16:10 IGZO in 13" and 15". Maybe it's a well kept secret? Maybe Apple will shift to 16:9 in favor of implementing IGZO's??

You seem to suggest that moving from a 16:9 panel to a 16:10 panel is hard, it's not. Roughly speaking, it's a matter of producing panels with some pixels more or less. It's true that we haven't seen any leaks that indicate such panels being in production, but it doesn't seem highly unlikely either. Here's someone talking about this in this thread in June(!).

The thing about Apple is they can order any display they want. Any resolution, any aspect ratio, or whatever they want.
With IGZO, they can address one of the most major complaints of the display, the low brightness which was kept low in the current gen due to the high power requirements.

Edit: A 2880x1800 IGZO panel for the 13 seems more likely (that is, if it happens), mainly because that is the resolution of the current 15. Software wise it seems advantageous to use this.

 

[fratey]

First of all, thanks to those who passed along some tips for my transition to macs from PCs.

Secondly, I'm new here, so I don't know how off topic I can get away with (this is my second post)...but while we are waiting....

One of the problems with Windows is that MS has to accommodate EVERY piece of hardware or software a user will use. That means that the OS is at the mercy of the hardware drivers that get installed. There are standards, but MS has very little power in enforcing them and people ignore them all the time. When there is a problem...it can be very difficult to track down...AND there is no centralized support. That Windows works as well as it does is a testament to the MS serfs...but doesn't fix the problem.

Also...because of the above...every vendor likes to blame any problems on other vendor's drivers. The advantage...if you devote your life to understanding Windows as I do...you can actually do whatever you want and have it work. The disadvantage is that you have to devote your life to it.

I'm sure Apple has problems...but because they control the hardware and the software, it has got to be easier. My Windows troubleshooting classes were almost always full. The PC certification classes (A+ certification for computer repair) I used to teach were intensively filled with understanding interrupts, the registry, drivers, memory addressing, etc because a PC tech HAS to know all those things. No one ever requested a MAC troubleshooting class. We offered MAC classes a couple of times in our department and almost nobody showed. We eventually stopped offering them!

Here's a book offered on Amazon to help you figure out windows and it's hardware. Only 1300 plus pages! A+ troubleshooting guide link

And here's Steve Jobs talking about MS in the 1990s:

"The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste, they have absolutely no taste, and what that means is - I don't mean that in a small way I mean that in a big way. In the sense that they they don't think of original ideas and they don't bring much culture into their product, ehm, and you say why is that important - well you know proportionally spaced fonts come from type setting and beautiful books, that's where one gets the idea - if it weren't for the Mac they would never have that in their products and, ehm, so I guess I am saddened, not by Microsoft's success - I have no problem with their success, they've earned their success for the most part. I have a problem with the fact that they just make really third rate products."

....from."http://www.pbs.org/nerds/part3.html

Well let me know if this is all too off topic while we are waiting, waiting, waiting, for Haswell rMBPs.

It might be because troubleshooting Mac OS is absolutely impossible for anyone not proficient with the Terminal, with this level of detail in the error messages.

 

[Qu1ckset]

Well this is my first post of this forum, been lurking for the last few weeks as I'm purchasing a MBPr when the haswell refresh is available, I'm a long time windows user , I did own a white MB and early 2009 MBP briefly. I sold my gaming rig as I'm done with windows for awhile and want to get back into Mac , recently purchase a iPad mini amd iPhone 5.

Anyways I owned a Alienware m14x r2 last year and seen it came with a gtx650m same as the MBPr and noticed the refresh this year for the m14x came with the gtx765m , amd then came across the 14" razor blade which looks to be about the same thickness amd design of the 15" mbp and that comes with a gtx765m , I know the razor blade and m14x are windows gaming laptops but what do you think the chances are of apple giving the option for the gtx765m in the MBPr Haswell refresh ? If razor can fit it in the 14" laptop apple can certainly pull it off to!

 

[Leudast]

but what do you think the chances are of apple giving the option for the gtx765m in the MBPr Haswell refresh ? If razor can fit it in the 14" laptop apple can certainly pull it off to!

Holy punctuation batman.

I'm certain apple has the capability. They're not gaming machines though, and the typical apple consumer isn't a gamer or concerned with gaming graphics. Actually I'd say the apple community would lean towards a professional video card if it came to it. (as would I that would be bomb)

Expect a 750m if they don't just include iris pro iGPU.

 

[Vanilla35]

Worse.

Lol it's better but some say angled viewing isn't as good

Actually....it's better. I can't comment on viewing angles, but I remember reading in several articles about it that the contrast and overall picture quality is much improved, as well. I will post a good article when I find one

Not the best article, but I like it:
http://youthfad.wordpress.com/2013/01/21/understanding-igzo-displays/

Holy punctuation batman.

I'm certain apple has the capability. They're not gaming machines though, and the typical apple consumer isn't a gamer or concerned with gaming graphics. Actually I'd say the apple community would lean towards a professional video card if it came to it. (as would I that would be bomb)

Expect a 750m if they don't just include iris pro iGPU.

What you meant to say is they're too cheap to put the 765M in, which would actually be a fairly significant upgrade to the 650M.

 

[Qu1ckset]

Actually....it's better. I can't comment on viewing angles, but I remember reading in several articles about it that the contrast and overall picture quality is much improved, as well. I will post a good article when I find one

Not the best article, but I like it:
http://youthfad.wordpress.com/2013/01/21/understanding-igzo-displays/



What you meant to say is they're too cheap to put the 765M in, which would actually be a fairly significant upgrade to the 650M.

I'm not even saying putting it in the base model , make it an optional upgrade that you pay extra for so that way it's a win/win situation people who want or would like the gtx765, pay a little extra for the upgrade and and people who don't want it don't have to pay the premium and apple will make money off the the upgrade , so there not losing anything but that's me just dreaming!

 

[johnnylarue]

Worse.

Lol it's better but some say angled viewing isn't as good

Yes, IGZO is said to have "slightly inferior" viewing angles compared to the a-Si
displays Apple currently uses.

Of course, to make this into a standard internet-friendly reactionary fan-boy opinion, "IGZO viewing angles totally suck!!" which can be followed with something along the lines of, "My [brand X] CRT monitor is way better."

 

[jafingi]

In a week and a few days, we'll hopefully have a Haswell rMBP!

This is better than Christmas!

 

[KUguardgrl13]

In a week and a few days, we'll hopefully have a Haswell rMBP!

This is better than Christmas!

Yes!!! Then I can hopefully give my boyfriend back his Lenovo that is driving me crazy and get back to OS X!

 

[Autrement]

In a week and a few days, we'll hopefully have a Haswell rMBP!

This is better than Christmas!

It is like Christmas in that there's that nagging fear in the back of the little kid's mind that he might wake up on the big day and find nothing but coal in his stocking.

 

[ryanbates]

In a week and a few days, we'll hopefully have a Haswell rMBP!

This is better than Christmas!

So ready! Lets just hope we aren't let down

 

[Vanilla35]

I'm not even saying putting it in the base model , make it an optional upgrade that you pay extra for so that way it's a win/win situation people who want or would like the gtx765, pay a little extra for the upgrade and and people who don't want it don't have to pay the premium and apple will make money off the the upgrade , so there not losing anything but that's me just dreaming!

Well the Iris Pro would be base and the lovely 750M would be the higher end...lol. Most likely anyway

 

[that1guyy]

My current laptop is freezing up on the smallest tasks. Hurry up!!!!!!!!!!!! I have the money, just take it already.