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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

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Manic Mouse said:
I don't know why people keep repeating this stuff, because it's not true at all.

The 13" has much more thermal headroom than the current 35W processor it holds (see Anandtech's review, the thermals section). The 15" has to throttle when running it's 90W CPU and GPU full tilt. At full tilt the 13" doesn't even run its fans at max speed, let alone throttle. The fact that the current 35W processors don't even touch the thermal roof of the 13" makes going to 28W a pretty baffling decision.

There is also plenty of space- unlike the 15" there is nothing under the trackpad in the 13" currently just wasted space.

There is no, I repeat, no technical reason the 13" couldn't handle a 45W quad. The thermals could handle it, there's enough room and the battery shouldn't see much change unless you're doing heavy lifting which you shouldn't be doing off battery anyway. You might actually see battery improvement since there is more room for throttling and a higher performance per watt ratio.

I would love to see a 2.0 (BTO 2.3) quad iris pro in the 13" while the 15" gets the 750m which we know it will now. It would really differentiate the 13" from the MBA which I think it needs. It also needs to be closer to the 15" because currently you can pay a few $100 more and double your performance going from the 13 to the 15 - which is why every review said the 13" rMBP was pretty bad value for money. You can get an air far cheaper, or double your performance with a 15". The 13" is also the only laptop in the Apple line that would actually benefit from Iris pro as opposed to it being a downgrade from the current machines, so is the only one it makes sense to put it in.
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Well said. Keeping the dream alive.
Iris Pro in 13", even BTO - sold.
 
scrauny said:
Well said. Keeping the dream alive.
Iris Pro in 13", even BTO - sold.
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I believe the Iris 5100 will be default in the 13" as there are no i5 processors with the 5200, I expect a i7 BTO with 5200, unless of course Apple get a special batch of processors for the 13" with the i5 5200.

Of course Apple could just make a major shift and put i7's into all rMBP so they don't have to differentiate between the 13"ers for graphics wise, but it's highly unlikely.


The 15" rMBP will likely come with HD 5000 i5's and i7's and a dedicated graphics package from Nvidia. Which gives apple the performance as a 750M will outperform a Iris 5200 and is likely comparable on cost due to the 5200 price point.
 
CoolHotCold said:
The 15" rMBP will likely come with HD 5000 i5's and i7's and a dedicated graphics package from Nvidia. Which gives apple the performance as a 750M will outperform a Iris 5200 and is likely comparable on cost due to the 5200 price point.
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Those CPUs would be a special build. It's either quadcore with HD 5200 (Iris Pro) or quadcore with HD4600 and 750M. As far as I know there is no quadcore with HD 5000 in the lineup (yet).
Furthermore I don't see i5s coming to the 15" rMBP, right now it's i7 only
 
Why quad-core in 13" is extremely unlikely

I'm sorry to carry this fact, but a quad core in a 13" chassis is extremely unlikely.

Correct the problem are not thermals.

The problem is that Apple wants that 13" and 15" have the same battery life.

Note that battery life (for apple) is measured under light tasks, so the presence of a dGPU is irrelevant (it will stay shut off in any case).

Since the 15" carries big batteries (95W against 74W) the 13" must uses a lower TDW CPU.
Hence, in order to have the same battery life, the 13" must use 28W TDW (that are dual core and carry Iris) while 15" can use 45W TDW (that are quad core and carry Iris Pro).

End of the story.

I'm really looking forward for the invitations to be send out today and I really hope we will see rMPB next week.
This for me will be the last call. If rMBP are delayed to 2014 I will give up.
 
Wuiffi said:
Those CPUs would be a special build. It's either quadcore with HD 5200 (Iris Pro) or quadcore with HD4600 and 750M. As far as I know there is no quadcore with HD 5000 in the lineup (yet).
Furthermore I don't see i5s coming to the 15" rMBP, right now it's i7 only
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You are indeed right, in regards to the i5's in the 15" there isn't one. There is however a embedded i7 with a HD5000, but Its unlikely to be used as it's a ULV at 15W and also not quad core (there's two i7's with hd 5000)

http://ark.intel.com/products/family/75023

Of course Apple may introduce i5's into the 15" rMBP to facilitate a lower price entry point.


The Iris 5200 (it's no longer called Intel HD for Crystell Well) is very expensive so unless Apple go for a different design or packaging (to make more battery room or whatever) it makes more sense to put in a dedicated chip to get better performance coupled with a Intel i7 (from their HD series) for the same price.


Of course Apple get discounts on the listed price so who knows. All I hope for is 16GB in the 13" and the Iris 5200.
 
Rick-ITA said:
I'm sorry to carry this fact, but a quad core in a 13" chassis is extremely unlikely.

Correct the problem are not thermals.

The problem is that Apple wants that 13" and 15" have the same battery life.

Note that battery life (for apple) is measured under light tasks, so the presence of a dGPU is irrelevant (it will stay shut off in any case).

Since the 15" carries big batteries (95W against 74W) the 13" must uses a lower TDW CPU.
Hence, in order to have the same battery life, the 13" must use 28W TDW (that are dual core and carry Iris) while 15" can use 45W TDW (that are quad core and carry Iris Pro).

End of the story.

I'm really looking forward for the invitations to be send out today and I really hope we will see rMPB next week.
This for me will be the last call. If rMBP are delayed to 2014 I will give up.
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I am not an expert in computer science, correct me if I am wrong BUT:
as far as I know:
* TDP is not relevant, because, as you say, battery life is measured in light use. A quad core in light use/idle does NOT necessarily need more power than a dual core (Intel Speedstep and other stuff should see to that).
* the part that needs the most power is the display and not the CPU (in light use), thus the display is more important when it comes to batterylife.

It all comes down to this:
It's not about the power (or thermals), it's about sending a message (if you are a Pro user and need a quad core, get the expensive 15" model!)

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CoolHotCold said:
All I hope for is 16GB in the 13" and the Iris 5200.
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I'd love one of those too. I could say (like way to many people here) that my 15" 2010 model is on its last leg, however that's absolutely not true. With SSD and 8GB Ram it's faster than on the first day. Only automatic graphic switching (started with 10.8.3) is now a real pain in the ***.

If Apple would build a 13" quadcore, iris pro version, I'd still buy it, cause I am addicted to new (better) hardware (and I think that goes for most here who are waiting for the haswells ;) )
 
adjeff8 said:
Yeah. Thanksgiving is on a Thursday and we get Friday off as well. So it's two paid days. Big beautiful turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes and gravy. Cranberry sauce, corn on the Cobb and several other dishes, pies etc
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In Canada we do the same thing on Thanksgiving. It's a very food-oriented holiday, I would say.
 
looks like im gonna either have to get a macbook air 13" or retina macbook pro 13" since the non-retina is getting discontinued most likely... decisions decisions

i have macbook pro 13" non-retina right now
 
hmmmkay said:
Are you for real? 10 second test : Quick look to my right on the rss feed : Asus release Transformer Book Trio end of this month.
"Related news : (September 4 ) Final specs released for Transformer Trio"
"Related news : (June) Asus announced its Transformer Trio ".
If you're *that* of bad faith / too lazy to open any tech news site I'll post the French news site here but come on ...


... the ***** is this ? Who said that they do something to spite us ? They do it so they can maximize their profit.
So your argument here, is that people finding the whole process very disturbing to their professional and financial situations are just whiny kids, or so self-inflated that they believe a company is "trying to spit them" ?
Again, are you for real ?



...what.the.Hell.
That's exactly what I said earlier when I said there are fans who happily gobble the same BS every year which *really* doesn't help solving the problem.

This "refurbished = new" because it looks new, is total nonsense that only a die-hard fanboy, that contributes to this ongoing absurdity, can spurt out.
I'm fairly sure you'd be shocked if I was to sell you a car that was used for a year or so, had some parts replaced, like "new".
And no under those condition this price is *not* interesting. If it was new it would be, but in this case it's not.

And again, as a reminder for this and a few replies above, let me remind you we're talking about a machine for (and marketed as) "professional", not an iPhone or an iPad where this situation would be "just" frustrating, but not really that problematic.
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Perhaps you can make the argument that Asus announced that product months in advance, but who make more money here? Apple or Asus? Stop with all the complaining, Apple makes announces their products on the day (or a couple of before days) of availability for a reason, and Apple isn't going to satisfy a couple of consumers at the cost of losing money. Well, Apple refurbished products are very nice, I believe Apple replaces the battery, the casing, and whatever part of the machine that might've caused someone to return it in the first place. As well, most products returned back to a company are usually used only for a couple of weeks to a month, not a year or two. You're saying since Apple puts the word "pro" beside Retina MacBook, they have to announce it months in advance. The word "pro" in this example only signifies that the rmbp is better than the Air, not that the rmbp is a professional product.
 
I think i'll be getting the top model 15" rMBP. I've been waiting for a haswell refresh of the mac mini + rMBP for the past 3 months ...
 
waiting for BGR to say the invites are out and then a few minutes later say opps sorry not out yet, similar case to what happened with the iPhone invites.
 
Jordan-D said:
9to5Mac made a report on the rumor I've posted earlier http://9to5mac.com/2013/10/15/repor...-sale-2425-oct-ipads-3031-oct-mac-pro-15-nov/
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Isn't that the same source that said the iPad event would be on the 15th?

spybenj said:
Event confirmed
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/9To5Mac-MacAllDay/~3/COGyu-GFXRo/
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Looks like they've taken it down, so maybe they accidentally pressed the publish button…
Feedly says the article includes "The event takes place ############################################", which looks like a placeholder to me.
 
james010101 said:
my prediction (cause i'm unofficially an analyst:rolleyes:):

cMBP:

Unchanged. Continues to be offered in store as a legacy product.

13" rMBP:

1. Haswell dual-core i5/i7 ULV processors.
2. iGZO display at the current resolutions. - No, display will be the same.
3. Base storage to 256gb. - I wish, but more likely to be still 128gb.
4. dGPU - Nvidia GT 735m. iGPU - 4600 (Power savings from both iGZO and Haswell should very well compensate for the power - No! 99,99%! I would bet 1k on that.
5. 8hrs battery life? (not any higher due to the inclusion of dGPU.)
6. Pricing - Remains constant or $100 less. - It's still Apple, so it stays constant. My opinion is still that it is time for a price reduction.

15" rMBP

- no comment -

:):):):):):apple:
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This is not a predictions, this is your wish. :)
I changed it (with green) a little to make a more precise prediction out of it.

Cheers,
Nasi Goreng (Battery Life Analyst)
 
Stef4n said:
This is not a predictions, this is your wish. :)
I changed it (with green) a little to make a more precise prediction out of it.

Cheers,
Nasi Goreng (Battery Life Analyst)
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I personally think the 15" is going to see an IP5200 + 760m. Obviously haswell, and a price cut (Maybe $200 or so on both models.)

What would really blow me away is IGZO + Offering better dGPU for the 15" rMBP. THEN i would spend a bit too much money on it :p
(But this is all too unlikely)
 
Oh and for the love of god if they keep current displays and not swap to IGZO (Likely they don't go to IGZO until next year)

PLEASE DO NOT PUT FAULTY PANELS IN ANYMORE. The ghosting was annoying the living hell out of me.
 
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