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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

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ParanoidDroid said:
Oh 3D + CUDA, and PROfessionals? Oh, really? :eek:

need CUDA to render?

What kind of "PRO" 3D package does run on Mac OS and support CUDA?

Guess what, I'm a happy Luxology modo (PRO)user. Modo is probably the only serious "PRO" 3D application on Macs, but there is NO CUDA support.

The only half-successful GPU based 3rd party render engine (in the world) is the "Octane Render", but that's so special and niche that it's completely out of scope for Apple's "PRO" marketing.

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I'm so sick and tired of those "PRO" arguments! Clearly, the major target audience for mac books are rich college kids, who buy Mac Books not because they're "PRO" but because they expect "PRESTIGE" on their campus.

Then there is also still a market among the DTP and media professionals because of decade-long "IMAGE inertia" <-go figure :D

P.S. Adobe Creative Suite (PRO) also runs on "cheap" PCs (less ca$h).
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I really do detest the CUDA arguments, it's too bad I can't really input anything into these conversations as I don't even use any of these programs.:rolleyes:

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APPLE-FANATIC said:
Im actually going to miss this thread after all is said and done with the rMBP-HASWELL!! Im sure we will eventually merge onto a new thread (besides waiting for broadwell, lol)!! :cool:
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Me too. I'll probably miss all the good contributors to this thread, like you, PDFeirro, ValSalva, Mcarling, KUGuardGirl, Johnny large, adjeff, CmdrLaForge, GSPice, VanillaCracker, John123, etc. These conversations are usually very informative and interesting, and when the new rmbp comes out, I'll probably have learned more from this thread than if I never participated or read it at all.



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On a separate note, to all you people who only read this thread and not participate in it, who is your favourite thread contributor here?
 
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The Leafs Fan said:
Me too. I'll probably miss all the good contributors to this thread, like you, PDFeirro, ValSalva, Mcarling, KUGuardGirl, Johnny large, adjeff, CmdrLaForge, etc. These conversations are usually very informative and interesting, and when the new rmbp comes out, I'll probably have learned more from this thread than if I never participated or read it at all.



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On a separate note, to all you people who only read this thread and not participate in it, who is your favourite thread contributor here?
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Yeah, I started browsing this thread when it started and then really started participating in May. It's been a long wait!
 
PDFierro said:
Yeah, I started browsing this thread when it started and then really started participating in May. It's been a long wait!
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I've read the thread since it's inception, but I'm sure you remember I only started participating at the beginning of September.
 
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The Leafs Fan said:
I read the thread since it's inception, but I'm sure you remember I only started participating at the beginning of September.
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Well I remember being massively disappointed after WWDC. And then thinking there was no way I could wait until October. And well, somehow I made it.
 
PDFierro said:
Well I remember being massively disappointed after WWDC. And then thinking there was no way I could wait until October. And well, somehow I made it.
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I somehow thought Apple was going to have an event in August after that disappointment. It must have really affected me:D.
 
djra8 said:
there simply IS a reason if you do 3D animation and need CUDA to render, not to mention the beefy card will help with the viewport too.. but hey, if creative professionals aren't their target market anymore maybe they should drop the "pro" in the title.
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opencl performance is much greater on the iris pro than 6xx/7xx cards, this will be beneficial to 'pro' users as it speeds up programs that support it (fcp, cs6, maya, solidworks..)

if you are using a rmbp as a render machine you are doing it wrong, use the laptop to create, edit, layout your 3d models / scenes then use your desktop or render farm to properly render the scenes in a reasonable amount of time
 
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Idk if this arguments been made yet, been with this topic since like 1500 posts but can't remember

Apple released the haswell airs nearly instantly with. Pretty small upgrade, yea the processors lead to way more battery life but still other than that no major changes.

Chances are apple could've simply added haswell to the retina and released it fairly quickly. Yes they could easily just have decided to wait a few months, but I feel as if apple wouldn't take 4 months to release a laptop with the same update that took nearly no time for the air. They must be making some other change. Is it not possible that they're updating the chassis slightly? They haven't updated it for the retina ever have they?

Idk, maybe they aren't changing the chassis, but I doubt they're just doing processors, and I doubt TB2 counts as a big enough change to be the only other new feature.

Just my 2 cents!
 
spybenj said:
Idk if this arguments been made yet, been with this topic since like 1500 posts but can't remember

Apple released the haswell airs nearly instantly with. Pretty small upgrade, yea the processors lead to way more battery life but still other than that no major changes.

Chances are apple could've simply added haswell to the retina and released it fairly quickly. Yes they could easily just have decided to wait a few months, but I feel as if apple wouldn't take 4 months to release a laptop with the same update that took nearly no time for the air. They must be making some other change. Is it not possible that they're updating the chassis slightly? They haven't updated it for the retina ever have they?

Idk, maybe they aren't changing the chassis, but I doubt they're just doing processors, and I doubt TB2 counts as a big enough change to be the only other new feature.

Just my 2 cents!
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Well let's keep in mind that certain Haswell processors might not have become available until later in the summer. The Air was easy, as the ULV processors the first out of the gate. Also, Thunderbolt 2 wasn't launched until September.

Who knows what the real reason for the delay was. Most likely it's a combination of things. But we know there's not going to be any changes to the chassis.
 
I won't miss this thread. I just hope it releases on Tuesday with Haswell and a dGPU option, at least as BTO. So I can finally stop visiting this site every couple hours and get on with my life. That computer should last me at least 3-5 years.
 
The Leafs Fan said:
On a separate note, to all you people who only read this thread and not participate in it, who is your favourite thread contributor here?
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I for one will partake in this comment, even though I do participate (only since ~June though - and I'm not even planning on buying Haswell).

I think GSPice's comments were/are great. Guaranteed to be funny 8/10 of the time :D

I also think that Jon123 guy is awesome. Even though he is the epitome of an overly zealous self-entitled douchebag. He would say something like "I am, indeed, for real. With my top-tier MBA" :D . He'll probably get mad at my comment but I think he's great. Many don't realize that if you ignore the negative effect of what he has to say then you can easily appreciate his precise logic and point of view.

spybenj said:
Is it not possible that they're updating the chassis slightly? They haven't updated it for the retina ever have they?

Just my 2 cents!
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Haha I don't get where people are going with this thought. The rMBP's didn't exist June 19th of 2012. They're only a little over a year old. Why would they be making change to the chassis unless it was absolutely needed.
 
PDFierro said:
Well let's keep in mind that certain Haswell processors might not have become available until later in the summer. The Air was easy, as the ULV processors the first out of the gate. Also, Thunderbolt 2 wasn't launched until September.

Who knows what the real reason for the delay was. Most likely it's a combination of things. But we know there's not going to be any changes to the chassis.
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True about the processors, although the non iris pro ones were out at the same time.
How exactly do we know that there aren't going to be any changes to the chassis? Absence of leaks does not equal absence of change.
 
actuallyinaus said:
opencl performance is much greater on the iris pro than 6xx/7xx cards, this will be beneficial to 'pro' users as it speeds up programs that support it (fcp, cs6, maya, solidworks..)

if you are using a rmbp as a render machine you are doing it wrong, use the laptop to create, edit, layout your 3d models / scenes then use your desktop or render farm to properly render the scenes in a reasonable amount of time
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OpenGL performance is much greater on the 6xx/7xx cards than Iris Pro.

Going Iris Pro will drop performance in... oh hell...

1) Xcode (iOS Simulator is a prime suspect)
2) Photoshop CS6 (OpenGL is used MORE than OpenCL. In fact, as far as I know, only 2 features in CS6 actually make use of OpenCL, while a lot rely and require OpenGL)
3) AutoCAD (relies on OpenGL for its 3D engine to render to the screen)
4) Maya (relies on OpenGL for its 3D engine to render to the screen)
5) Solidworks (relies on OpenGL for its 3D engine to render to the screen)
6) AfterEffects CS6 (relies exclusively on CUDA for its ray-tracing engine)

Even if you don't use the machine for rendering, dropping OpenGL performance will cause issues with a lot of applications, and there is no way around it.

For those of us who are expecting decent OpenGL performance from these machines just to display our 3D models in AutoCAD or similar applications, I'm sure the dedicated graphics still have its place.

And unless Apple can somehow make 128MB of SLOWER video RAM equal 1024MB (read: 8 times more) of FASTER video RAM, there is still that memory issue that can't be fixed either way.
 
Really hoping the retina displays get a resolution bump.

I oggled a rmbp13 yesterday, and while it's amazing compared to an old low res screen, the visible anti-aliasing pixelation is a bit disappointing after all the "retina" hype. Using a 3200x panel instead of the 2560x (in the 13") might make the difference.
 
spybenj said:
True about the processors, although the non iris pro ones were out at the same time.
How exactly do we know that there aren't going to be any changes to the chassis? Absence of leaks does not equal absence of change.
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Logic. Why would there be? And what would the reason for it be? There was just a major redesign last year.
 
PDFierro said:
Logic. Why would there be? And what would the reason for it be? There was just a major redesign last year.
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That's where I'm confused, where was the major redesign last year?
Unless I'm mistaken isn't the retina 2 years old?
So when was there a major redesign?
 
The Leafs Fan said:
On a separate note, to all you people who only read this thread and not participate in it, who is your favourite thread contributor here?
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I'd have to say that you, along with PDFierro and KUGuardGirl seem to be some of the best. Then there are those who are pessimistic and bring the whole mood of the thread down.
 
spybenj said:
That's where I'm confused, where was the major redesign last year?
Unless I'm mistaken isn't the retina 2 years old?
So when was there a major redesign?
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The major redesign was June 2012 when Apple introduced the rMBP. I don't get why people think this wasn't a redesign.
 
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