Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[adjeff8]

I think anybody who is undecided between the two screen sizes should just go into the Apple store and do some comparing. That's what I did. It's really not a hard decision.

But you summed everything up nicely. I just think the size of the 15 is way too big, where as the 13-inch is perfect.

The 13" is way too small. Where as the 15" is perfect. I schedule film shoots/ movies. Nowadays they rarely send me hard copies of the scripts. They email them. I put the movie magic scheduling program on the left side of the display and the script on the right side. The 15" is perfect for this. And yes, I drag myself and my computer all around the globe, but in used to the weight of my cMBP, so this will actually feel light

 

[PDFierro]

The 13" is way too small. Where as the 15" is perfect. I schedule film shoots/ movies. Nowadays they rarely send me hard copies of the scripts. They email them. I put the movie magic scheduling program on the left side of the display and the script on the right side. The 15" is perfect for this. And yes, I drag myself and my computer all around the globe, but in used to the weight of my cMBP, so this will actually feel light

Everyone will be different. I think the 13-inch is perfect, while others think the 15-inch is. IMO it's not the weight of the machine that turns me off, it's the size.

 

[sarakn]

And have you seen the "Dell Care" warranty prices covering basically any form of accidental damage ? The biggest one which covers the laptop for 4 years (!!) is 199$. 3 year is 169 etc.

Besides, you can get the full specked laptop for 1899$. Yes you lose the 512SSD in favour of a 1TB harddrive with 32 cache and you have 30% less battery (or basically the normal battery), but all the other bells and whistles are there.

I say great job for the 2013 edition.

I agree. I've been a loyal dell customer for about 15 years and they have served me well. Even the 3yr old xps 1640 I'm hoping to replace works well and will continue to serve someone well or as a backup laptop.

When some people compare dell with macs, they are sometimes comparing the low-end Inspiron which not a fair comparison. Comparing macs with xps is more reasonable.

That being said, the new xps looks great and sounds like a solid laptop.


Still getting a Mac, though.

 

[msavwah]

Thus it's confirmed!

I feel for month that Apple doesn't care about us.

LOL

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You EXPECT a redesign? The rMBP line is only one year old. Don't get your hopes up for any major redesign. Maybe the 13" rMBP shaves a millimeter of thickness but that's about going to be it.

Let's just hope Haswell rMBP's are available to buy that day and not in November

If it were my decision yes. For reasons I have already posted.
It is also something Apple is potentially completely capable of doing.

In reality if it actually happens or will happen now, then that is something I feel indifferent about.

Let's just hope Haswell rMBP's are available to buy that day and not in November

Yeah that would be a bummer. Buy hey, we would know what our options are finally. That wouldn't be so bad.

 

[Eidorian]

And then people will run back to Apple as soon as they discover the problems with their Dell laptop.

But I was doing that with my Apple products...

 

[bbapps]

Still getting a Mac, though.

Yes, looks good, but then your eyes wonder back to the feature list and you see "Windows 8.1" (e.g. no-go for me..).

 

[JFabbiani]

Countdown in the first page of MR...




Making hard not to be more excite about

 

[adjeff8]

Everyone will be different. I think the 13-inch is perfect, while others think the 15-inch is. IMO it's not the weight of the machine that turns me off, it's the size.

See, I love the size. I almost bought a 17" a few years back but it was WAY too big. I find the 13 to be small. And those 11" Airs? I just don't see how anybody gets any work done on those little Fischer Price looking toys. Now if you're talking about footprint, the only place I feel a little constrained is on those airplane trays. But like you say, everyone Is different. I'm just so used to 15", I'd feel like it would be a step down. Plus there's the film scheduling thing

 

[bbapps]

So assuming a 10/22 release, when would you expect to start seeing the shipping times to slip at store.apple.com?

 

[ValSalva]

So assuming a 10/22 release, when would you expect to start seeing the shipping times to slip at store.apple.com?

Shipping times might slip after a day or so but they might not. Shipping times for the first rMBP released at WWDC were long but that was the first Retina laptop. These are updates and may have immediate availability all along.

I'm still ordering my 13" rMBP as soon as the store is back up (assuming they are available to order on 10/22) just in case though

 

[PDFierro]

If I can get my rMBP before Halloween, I'll be a happy camper.

 

[johnnylarue]

Lemme clear up some fog regarding this. According to techpowerup (they don't "guess" as much as Notebookcheck.com seems to) the 650M is 45W TDP, and the 660M 50W. That being said, the 760M is not equivalent to the 660M. The 660M is the exact same chip and setup as the 650M but overclocked. This years version of the 660M is the 755M. The 750M has a TDP of 50W, and the 755M has a TDP of ~50W (maybe 52W, but it's only overclocked slightly).

Directly following those chips is the 760M which is a completely different chip. The 650M, 660M, 750M, and 755M (refreshed chips for 2013) are all essentially the same chip and set up, slightly different memory clocks, but that's it. The 760M is a more significant jump in performance of about 20-35% in some games frame-rates, whereas the 750M/755M would only be a bump of maybe ~10-15% from the 650/660M. The TDP of the 760M is 55W (according to techpowerup). The 765M that the razer has is a whopping 75W though, and has a completely different bus interface so it is likely way out of the question for the rMBP. The 765M would be a massive improvement in graphics, seeing an increase of about 40-60%.

My concern with the 760M not being a viable option is because obviously TDP isn't the only determinant of whether a laptop can "handle" the dispersion of heat from a chip, and the 750M/755M have 1300 million transistors, while the 760M (being a completely different chip) has 2540 million. I think more transistors means more heat.

EDIT:

Also, the 770M is a 765M with faster, and more memory as well as a modified clock speed. It is also ~75W like the 765M.

Then after that is the massive 780M chip which you see in the brick computers gamers use with 1-2 hours battery life, and it has ~100-125W TDP

This is a great post, Vanilla.

For the record, the current 650M is 45W TDP, I believe.

So extrapolating on the research you've done, I think it's a safe bet the MBP will be getting the 750M or 755M at best, as I don't see Apple sacrificing the efficiency gains of the Mavericks/Haswell tandem for the graphical performance of the 760M, rather than funnelling that extra power into battery life. It wouldn't be in keeping with their M.O. where portables are concerned--recent releases suggest that portability (i.e. slimming down) and battery life are being prioritized over raw computing power and graphical performance.

And Haswell unfortunately isn't quite "good" enough to give us the best of both worlds. IGZO displays could potentially supply enough additional power savings to circumvent this, but I'd be (very pleasantly) surprised to see them show up on the 2013 MBPs.

 

[dzarc]

For those who are getting 16GB of RAM. Can you tell me why you need that much RAM? What are you running? I think 8GB is enough for me but I don't want to get caught 2-3 years down the line with no way to expand it.

 

[Krazy Bill]

For those who are getting 16GB of RAM. Can you tell me why you need that much RAM? What are you running? I think 8GB is enough for me but I don't want to get caught 2-3 years down the line with no way to expand it.

Your last sentence is the answer for most. Especially since it's soldered in place.

That said, the most useful thing I use RAM for would be virtual disks.

 

[KUguardgrl13]

So one of my friends who mostly lives in Linux land and Lenovos can't understand why I don't feel like battling Apple to get my mid-2009 MBP fixed. She thinks I should call the retention office and b**** them out. LOL!!

I want my new rMBP so I can get back to work, and then I might go after them.

 

[NowConverted]

what i'm really shocked and bother by is the fact that the 13" still only has a 1280x800 "retina" resolution while macbook air has 1440x900.

what the hell right?

As I already said, I hope they'll increase it.
My guess is they didn't think a greater resolution screen was ready. Hopefully now it will!

 

[rgarjr]

For those who are getting 16GB of RAM. Can you tell me why you need that much RAM? What are you running? I think 8GB is enough for me but I don't want to get caught 2-3 years down the line with no way to expand it.

Yeah the main reason why folks get as much ram as possible is because the damn things are soldered in and can't be upgraded later on. Depending on what you use the machine for, you may not need that much ram however.

 

[bbapps]

Shipping times might slip after a day or so but they might not....

Good info too know.. But, I think I didn't make my question clear... I would think they would start holding back the sale of new MBPr if they were about to release a refresh. You know, to eliminate a bunch of returns.

Still seeing 24 hour availability on the site, 1-3 days for BTO. Just wondering when they would start delaying orders, the day before the refresh? Still seeing a lot a stock at third-party resellers too, kind of making me wonder whether there will be a release on the 22nd. Guess we will find out soon....

 

[jredecop]

Good info too know.. But, I think I didn't make my question clear... I would think they would start holding back the sale of new MBPr if they were about to release a refresh. You know, to eliminate a bunch of returns.

Still seeing 24 hour availability on the site, 1-3 days for BTO. Just wondering when they would start delaying orders, the day before the refresh? Still seeing a lot a stock at third-party resellers too, kind of making me wonder whether there will be a release on the 22nd. Guess we will find out soon....

Was wondering the same thing. Best buy stores around me were out of stock 3-4 weeks ago and I was thinking yup, getting ready for haswell, and a few days later they all had stock and it's stayed that way. When the haswell imac was about to be released, they had no stock for about a month. But could be a totally different scenario this time around.

 

[hydesg]

told you, no release.

Good info too know.. But, I think I didn't make my question clear... I would think they would start holding back the sale of new MBPr if they were about to release a refresh. You know, to eliminate a bunch of returns.

Still seeing 24 hour availability on the site, 1-3 days for BTO. Just wondering when they would start delaying orders, the day before the refresh? Still seeing a lot a stock at third-party resellers too, kind of making me wonder whether there will be a release on the 22nd. Guess we will find out soon....

 

[Freyqq]

Good info too know.. But, I think I didn't make my question clear... I would think they would start holding back the sale of new MBPr if they were about to release a refresh. You know, to eliminate a bunch of returns.

Still seeing 24 hour availability on the site, 1-3 days for BTO. Just wondering when they would start delaying orders, the day before the refresh? Still seeing a lot a stock at third-party resellers too, kind of making me wonder whether there will be a release on the 22nd. Guess we will find out soon....

Are iPads any different with shipping? Seems like that is the control here, as it is the most likely thing to be released.

 

[bbapps]

Are iPads any different with shipping? Seems like that is the control here, as it is the most likely thing to be released.

Good point, looks like they are 24 hour shipping

 

[Peter Mac G]

Seven Things to Expect at Apple's Event Next Week

Someone probably posted this already (I've been trying to follow this comment by comment) but in case they didn't...Here is Cnet's video....http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57608036-37/7-things-to-expect-at-apples-special-event-next-week/.

The rMBP is definitely mentioned with an alleged availability date of a couple of days after the event.

 

[Starfyre]

This is a great post, Vanilla.

For the record, the current 650M is 45W TDP, I believe.

So extrapolating on the research you've done, I think it's a safe bet the MBP will be getting the 750M or 755M at best, as I don't see Apple sacrificing the efficiency gains of the Mavericks/Haswell tandem for the graphical performance of the 760M, rather than funnelling that extra power into battery life. It wouldn't be in keeping with their M.O. where portables are concerned--recent releases suggest that portability (i.e. slimming down) and battery life are being prioritized over raw computing power and graphical performance.

And Haswell unfortunately isn't quite "good" enough to give us the best of both worlds. IGZO displays could potentially supply enough additional power savings to circumvent this, but I'd be (very pleasantly) surprised to see them show up on the 2013 MBPs.

Dell XPS 15 that just came out today has 750M. I expect Apple to get a 750M at least too.... unless they don't get an IGZO display, and end up having to put a 650M in just so they can try to get close/equal/or exceed the 13 hour battery life of the XPS 15.

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The rMBP is definitely mentioned with an alleged availability date of a couple of days after the event.

Where there is a new OS... and an Intel architecture that is long out... its a no brainer a new upgrade to the Pro line will come out.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

Dell XPS 15 that just came out today has 750M. I expect Apple to get a 750M at least too.... unless they don't get an IGZO display, and end up having to put a 650M in just so they can try to get close/equal/or exceed the 13 hour battery life of the XPS 15.

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Where there is a new OS... and an Intel architecture that is long out... its a no brainer a new upgrade to the Pro line will come out.

i'm thinking apple isn't giving any thoughts to comparing itself with a XPS 15. sorry