Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[sofianito]

i don't get it why people expect so much on IGZO screens.

the fact that Apple goes for two panel suppliers LG and Samsung tells us one thing.
its either Apple wanted to create a redundancy in case one of the suppliers have hiccups.
or yields for these screens are so low that you need two suppliers to keep up with the demand.

lets take iPad as an example, there's Samsung, LG and Sharp.
what are the chances of Apple sourcing screens from Sharp alone?
geezus

Sharp = Japan high technology with serious quality assurance processes.

What do you prefer KIA, Daewoo, SsangYong, Hyundai, or Lexus car?

 

[Keniutek]

The new Kia'a nad Hyundai's are def in the same category as Toyota or Honda, Suzuki etc. Just sayin

 

[Mr MM]

i don't get it why people expect so much on IGZO screens.

the fact that Apple goes for two panel suppliers LG and Samsung tells us one thing.
its either Apple wanted to create a redundancy in case one of the suppliers have hiccups.
or yields for these screens are so low that you need two suppliers to keep up with the demand.

lets take iPad as an example, there's Samsung, LG and Sharp.
what are the chances of Apple sourcing screens from Sharp alone?
geezus

Yeld is an issue, however the benefits of IGZO cant be ignored

 

[Vukmon]

Japan Car industry is very good, but not for comparison like their superb technology. Everything tech that comes from Japan in terms of precision, quality and reliability is superb compared to products that comes from other countries. Precision is other name for Japan in high-tech industry.

 

[pscl]

talking about cars right now? really?

if theres nothing more to say about waiting for haswell, then stop posting here.

back to topic.

 

[Vukmon]

^ Stop playing smart and read more carefully.

 

[ValSalva]

Wont they wait till they sort the wifi and usb problems people are having with the MBA before they release the MBPr Haswell?

I don't think Apple is too worried about this. They will issue a firmware/software fix for the Wifi issue. It's typical of new technology to have driver issues. It's not going to hold up the Haswell rMBP's for one second

 

[devilcm3]

Yeld is an issue, however the benefits of IGZO cant be ignored

Indeed, We want the best value for our purchases.
i think people should have a reasonable expectations for the new technology.

i'd rather have low expectations, if it turns out they have IGZO then its good news ...

if you have high expectations, you'll be disappointed if many things doesn't go your way

Sharp = Japan high technology with serious quality assurance processes.

What do you prefer KIA, Daewoo, SsangYong, Hyundai, or Lexus car?

Well i do not doubt the quality of japanese products.
However Sharp does not have the capacity of Samsung and LG combined.
You can only stockpile so many panels before the demand caught up.

P.S : Lexus is japanese, FYI.

 

[Mr MM]

errr... you can already see the IGZO panels in the kirabook if you so wish or wait a little and see it in the new ultrabooks, the screen quality is on par to what apple uses, above average

 

[Qaanol]

errr... you can already see the IGZO panels in the kirabook if you so wish or wait a little and see it in the new ultrabooks, the screen quality is on par to what apple uses, above average

Does IGZO have the viewing angle of IPS though? My 2007 MBP has an IPS screen with amazing side-viewing, where the colors stay true all the way until you are looking edge-on at the screen, and pretty far up and down as well.

From what I’ve seen of in-store display models, retina MBPs have similarly wide viewing angles with little to no color distortion. Is IGZO there yet?

 

[Vukmon]

Lately we can see some high-end ultrabooks are made of magnesium instead of aluminium. Can anyone tell us pros/cons of Mg and Al and which one is better material for laptops? Is it possible that new MBP comes with magnesium shell?

 

[zOlid]

Lately we can see some high-end ultrabooks are made of magnesium instead of aluminium. Can anyone tell us pros/cons of Mg and Al and which one is better material for laptops? Is it possible that new MBP comes with magnesium shell?

Magnesium is more expensive as a metal but cheaper for die casting and thats probably why its used frequently on laptops that dont use unibody.
That is because magnesium is more flexible then aluminum, but it is also lighter,

Both materials have its pros and cons but for unibody designs, aluminium is probably a much better option because its not as flexible as magnesium.

Also there is always a risk of igniting of magnesium strips when milling in high speed. And that is not so good

 

[Petulka]

You're wrong because you said that they wouldn't be much faster, and they are. By a lot.

And you're not paying any more for it in the 2013 vs 2012 models.

I think these are pretty good reasons to wait for a PCIe SSD.

Just stop. You don't even understand what was I trying to say.

 

[DisMyMac]

Magnesium is more expensive as a metal but cheaper for die casting and thats probably why its used frequently on laptops that dont use unibody. That is because magnesium is more flexible then aluminum, but it is also lighter,

Is there any material they could just dip all the circuitry in for a totally solid machine? Or spray on layers of something to do the same thing?

 

[Time Less]

Does IGZO have the viewing angle of IPS though? My 2007 MBP has an IPS screen with amazing side-viewing, where the colors stay true all the way until you are looking edge-on at the screen, and pretty far up and down as well.

From what I’ve seen of in-store display models, retina MBPs have similarly wide viewing angles with little to no color distortion. Is IGZO there yet?

Apple did not use IPS until the retinas. I'm sure your 2007 is a TN panel.

 

[Qaanol]

Apple did not use IPS until the retinas. I'm sure your 2007 is a TN panel.

I believe you mean, “Apple stopped using IPS panels some time after the mid-2007 MacBook Pros.” Because my machine, a 15.4″ A1226 “Santa Rosa” MBP at 2.2GHz, definitely has a 178° viewing angle, and I am confident the screen uses IPS.

In fact I rather suspect it is an S-IPS display, though I do not know that for sure.

 

[zOlid]

Is there any material they could just dip all the circuitry in for a totally solid machine? Or spray on layers of something to do the same thing?

Yes there is. Its called Unobtainium.
Unfortunately the only known place you can get it is on a place called Pandora.
Apple have been trying to mine it for years now but its been really hard partially because the harsh resistance from the Na'vi, and partially because its been a humanitarian nightmare.
So for now its not likely that we will see it in the Haswell update.
But its been rumored for Broadwell. But no one really knows at this moment.
Only time will tell.

 

[sofianito]

P.S : Lexus is japanese, FYI.

That' why I put it in the list
I didn't put Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi because Lexus is the best Japanese car, and I think it is better and lasts more than German cars...

 

[Mathias Denichi]

That' why I put it in the list
I didn't put Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi because Lexus is the best Japanese car, and I think it is better and lasts more than German cars...

Lexus is Toyota, its their luxury line. I don't see them changing from an aluminum chassis being that Chinese factories already produce aluminum products in mass. Magnesium would have to have a different process for Apples manufacturers to produce adequately for their flagship device.

 

[Vukmon]

Magnesium is more expensive as a metal but cheaper for die casting and thats probably why its used frequently on laptops that dont use unibody.......

Thank you for clearing up situation about magnesium. Seems that aluminium will be Apple`s choice few years in future for sure!

 

[DisMyMac]

Apple have been trying to mine it for years now but its been really hard partially because the harsh resistance from the Na'vi, and partially because its been a humanitarian nightmare.

That movie is Illuminati trash. It should be banned.

So for now its not likely that we will see it in the Haswell update.

I don't know how long it will take, but the principle works: make the components stronger, and you doesn't need a case- just a filler.

 

[jbruce2112]

Just stop. You don't even understand what was I trying to say.

Then this is the part where you clarify.

 

[thebrobrah]

if in the year 2013...a 1200+ laptop has a 1200x 800 screen...


son, i will be disappoint

 

[Mr MM]

Does IGZO have the viewing angle of IPS though? My 2007 MBP has an IPS screen with amazing side-viewing, where the colors stay true all the way until you are looking edge-on at the screen, and pretty far up and down as well.

From what I’ve seen of in-store display models, retina MBPs have similarly wide viewing angles with little to no color distortion. Is IGZO there yet?

its IPS

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6941/toshiba-kirabook-ultrabook-review/4

 

[PDFierro]

if in the year 2013...a 1200+ laptop has a 1200x 800 screen...


son, i will be disappoint

How? Sure it's 1280x800, but it's so much more than that.