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The Leafs Fan said:
Well, I really hope Apple doesn't delay the Broadwell update past Christmas, because that's the perfect time to use a new device for the first time. So, of the main guys here (and women), who is going to stay for the Broadwell thread?

We can already count out KUguardgrl13.
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I will be interested in the Broadwell rMBP, but seeing as I'll be on the other side of the world I can't guarantee if I'll post much!
 
Gilmore Girl said:
Hi there, you sound like someone who knows about this tech stuff, so I'd like to ask you if you think that machine you chose would also be right for me:
I use Lightroom heavily for large numbers of 24MP pictures, would be running win 7 (presumably under parallels) to use my beloved and much used Word 07 and photoshop (just sometimes). The rest would be mac os like browsing, mail, calendar etc.
I also would like to run it with a bigger hires screen at home.
Do you think the machine you chose would suffice for that too or do I need the quadcore 2.0 I only would get from the 15"?
I really like the formfactor of the smaller machine and the price difference would partly pay for a nice big screen to use at home.
Your answer is greatly apprecciated!
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Hi Gilmore Girl,

I think the machine I got would be plenty for doing what you plan to do. What you described is a very similar use case to mine actually. They key is the ram, 8gb. For the VM you want to run, and the software you'll want to run inside it, that config should be sufficient, but 16 may be nice just to be safe.

I would ask you this: are you running Lightroom in OSX or your windows VM? If you're running Lightroom, and Photoshop in the VM, especially at the same time, you might want the full 16gb of ram in the MacBook, so you could devote 8gb just to the Windows VM in that case. But if you plan to run Lightroom in OSX, and only photoshop in your Windows VM then you could easily get away with the 8gb (in fact, I think 8gb would be fine anyway, its more about having some extra just in case).

I am using a big screen at home too. I'm using a 2560x1440 27" monitor, and the machine will be fine for that. In fact, it can run 2 of those at once 😛

Regarding the speed differences, the processors in the 13" are plenty fast for Lightroom and Photoshop. Some big renders with tons of layers might take a little more time than they would on the 15" but not a lot. The awesome form factor of the 13" is way more of a benefit than the slight loss of speed IMO.

One more tip, and I may get in trouble around here for saying it, but there are cheaper high rez screens you can get than the Thunderbolt screen, which are still great. I have this one and it rules: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00906HNZU/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Feel free to ask me any more questions or clarifications of what I wrote.
 
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I ordered the 15in 2.3/512/16 with the 750m last night. Expected delivery is 10/30 to Dayton, Ohio. Hope this helps anyone curious in the area
 
macshoair said:
I got two new machines one that came from store and one online. One of them has the LG panel and the other has the Samsung panel. I used gift cards to pay for the the LG one and that's why I prefer to keep it since I already got rid of these cards. Do you think it is worth the hassle to keep the Samsung panel and return the one with LG panel or is the problem of retention already gone from the new models and this is not an issue any more?
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I'm not the expert here, but this is what I've gathered here in the last year. Many people have suggested over the last year that the LG has more vivid colors. That if you get a LG that has NO IR (Which is probably most of them) you're getting a better looking display. So do all the tests, and if you not seeing any problems the keep it
 
flr said:
The new 13" Retina MacBook Pro 2.6GHz is just awesome! I've received mine today. Here are some quick benchmarks:
* Geekbanch 3: 2857 / 5980 (Single-Core / Multi-Core Score)
* Blackmagic Disk Speed Test: > 730 MB/sec (read & write)
* Boot: 15,49 seconds
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Maybe the first boot is longer or else there is something strange in the new machines since the boot time of my 2012 rMBP in the 2.9/8/768 takes just 13 seconds, thought times were going to be less than that for PCIe SSD's
 
🙁 I guess this thread will soon be archived 🙁 Damn, never thought I would see the day come.......been here since April! So bittersweet!
 
APPLE-FANATIC said:
🙁 I guess this thread will soon be archived 🙁 Damn, never thought I would see the day come.......been here since April! So bittersweet!
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It would be fitting if this thread was archived or closed. Otherwise this thread will always get the occasional post. But if it's inaccessible to new posts, we can look back on it as memories.

And for those that were wondering about me, I cancelled my order as I'm going to go with 16GB RAM. So it'll be a little longer until I'm in possession of a Haswell rMBP. But I'll be sure to post feedback once I have it.
 
PDFierro said:
It would be fitting if this thread was archived or closed. Otherwise this thread will always get the occasional post. But if it's inaccessible to new posts, we can look back on it as memories.

And for those that were wondering about me, I cancelled my order as I'm going to go with 16GB RAM. So it'll be a little longer until I'm in possession of a Haswell rMBP. But I'll be sure to post feedback once I have it.
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Hopefully we will find each other in another thread somewhere! Glad you went for the 16GB!! You won't regret it 😎
 
elchorizo said:
Hi Gilmore Girl,

I think the machine I got would be plenty for doing what you plan to do. What you described is a very similar use case to mine actually. They key is the ram, 8gb. For the VM you want to run, and the software you'll want to run inside it, that config should be sufficient, but 16 may be nice just to be safe.

I would ask you this: are you running Lightroom in OSX or your windows VM? If you're running Lightroom, and Photoshop in the VM, especially at the same time, you might want the full 16gb of ram in the MacBook, so you could devote 8gb just to the Windows VM in that case. But if you plan to run Lightroom in OSX, and only photoshop in your Windows VM then you could easily get away with the 8gb (in fact, I think 8gb would be fine anyway, its more about having some extra just in case).

I am using a big screen at home too. I'm using a 2560x1440 27" monitor, and the machine will be fine for that. In fact, it can run 2 of those at once 😛

Regarding the speed differences, the processors in the 13" are plenty fast for Lightroom and Photoshop. Some big renders with tons of layers might take a little more time than they would on the 15" but not a lot. The awesome form factor of the 13" is way more of a benefit than the slight loss of speed IMO.

One more tip, and I may get in trouble around here for saying it, but there are cheaper high rez screens you can get than the Thunderbolt screen, which are still great. I have this one and it rules: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00906HNZU/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Feel free to ask me any more questions or clarifications of what I wrote.
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Hi Elchorizo,
thank you soooooo much for your answer. I already feared they might close the thread before you had a chance to answer.
I'll be running LR 5 natively on OSX because I think the license allows to run it on two different platforms when installing on desktop+laptop. I have both running on a win7 desktop now. Well "running" isn't the right word, it's more like "standing" in LRs case. 6 or seven years old machine, 4 Gb of Ram. It really isn't funny anymore.
For Photoshop I'm afraid I'll have to stay on the win platform I once chose so I'll have to use parallels.
But I planned on choosing 16GBs anyway so I hope I'll be covered. So you'd also say the 2.6 CPU would be ok? Or is the bump to the i7 2.8 CPU worth another 200€? I have a rather large catalogue in LR (>100.000) and really want it to run smoothly although I might want to work with smaller catalogues in the future.
Also I wanted to say good-bye to my old desktop as I don't want to trust it with my data anymore so I'd be using the rMBP as my main machine. Do you think it's good enough for that? I remember you saying you had a Windows desktop as your main machine. Does that make a difference for your choice of the macbookpro?
 
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OceanMindedBoy said:
This thread left the sticky status 🙁
Good memories, good times, farewell.
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Just noticed too. I was looking for it at the top and didn't find it and thought, crap, they must have already closed it.

Glad to see it's still going. Probably will get archived.

See you guys in 5 years if you're all still going to be here. I know I will, mainly because I love OS X too much and I'm in love with Apple's laptops. 🙂

We can just accept the fact that Apple makes the best laptops. :apple:
 
Watabou said:
Just noticed too. I was looking for it at the top and didn't find it and thought, crap, they must have already closed it.

Glad to see it's still going. Probably will get archived.

See you guys in 5 years if you're all still going to be here. I know I will, mainly because I love OS X too much and I'm in love with Apple's laptops. 🙂

We can just accept the fact that Apple makes the best laptops. :apple:
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In five years we'll all be using google glass. 😀
 
Got mine today from the Beverly Center in LA. 15" 2.3ghz 512gb 16gb ram. Just want to say bye to everyone as I finally close this tab in my safari window after following this thread since February!

Have fun with your new Macbooks everyone (or have fun waiting for broadwell)!
 
Gilmore Girl said:
Hi Elchorizo,
thank you soooooo much for your answer. I already feared they might close the thread before you had a chance to answer.
I'll be running LR 5 natively on OSX because I think the license allows to run it on two different platforms when installing on desktop+laptop. I have both running on a win7 desktop now. Well "running" isn't the right word, it's more like "standing" in LRs case. 6 or seven years old machine, 4 Gb of Ram. It really isn't funny anymore.
For Photoshop I'm afraid I'll have to stay on the win platform I once chose so I'll have to use parallels.
But I planned on choosing 16GBs anyway so I hope I'll be covered. So you'd also say the 2.6 CPU would be ok? Or is the bump to the i7 2.8 CPU worth another 200€? I have a rather large catalogue in LR (>100.000) and really want it to run smoothly although I might want to work with smaller catalogues in the future.
Also I wanted to say good-bye to my old desktop as I don't want to trust it with my data anymore so I'd be using the rMBP as my main machine. Do you think it's good enough for that? I remember you saying you had a Windows desktop as your main machine. Does that make a difference for your choice of the macbookpro?
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Hi Gilmore Girl,

I'm glad I could help!

I think the 13" rMBP would be plenty powerful to work with a large LR catalog, even as big as yours. Mine is only about 10,000 so I can't say I have personal experience with a catalog so big, just general computer knowledge. Anyway, yes, I do edit on a Windows machine primarily, but its mainly for convenience. Its setup at a nice desk with a comfy chair and huge monitors. Its a very nice place to game, and edit photos. I would be happy to use just the 13" rMBP if that was my only computer. Anyway, I think the power of the 2.6GHz would be plenty. I wouldn't worry about that. I think LR will be able to render large libraries well, and it will be able to perform edits on large photos well too. I will admit that it wont be as fast as the i7, but the difference is very small, and certainly not worth that much money (although this is a personal thing, someone with more money than me might disagree 😱 )

You are right about being able to install LR on both Windows and Mac with one license. I plan to do the same. I wish they'd allow that with Photoshop too, but alas, my Photoshop is Windows only, like yours.

You asked if the fact that I have a Windows desktop influenced my decision on my choice of rMBP. The truth is, I have multiple computers, including a 15" rMBP that my job assigned me last year. So its hard to say. However, I thought about it, and if I had to choose only one computer, it would be the 13" rMBP. It is the perfect combination of portability, power, and battery life. You can hook it to a couple big ass monitors and now its a perfect desktop. I really think its just about the perfect balance for a laptop. The only thing I'd like better were if the effective resolution were higher. Not a big deal though cause I will run it at the top scaled resolution of 1680x1050, just like I do with my 15" which I run at 1920x1200. More screen real estate is better for coding (or photo editing probably).

One more important point. Please forgive me if you already know this, but... I hope you have a good backup plan for your photo library. You should keep a copy of your Lightroom library files and all your photos on an external drive. You should keep ANOTHER copy on another external drive which you let your friend hang on to. Just keeping your backup on an external drive on the desk isn't good enough. A fire or theft would cause your photos to be gone forever!

Anyway, I hope this helps 🙂
 
fskywalker said:
Maybe the first boot is longer or else there is something strange in the new machines since the boot time of my 2012 rMBP in the 2.9/8/768 takes just 13 seconds, thought times were going to be less than that for PCIe SSD's
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I've timed it again and it was also 15 seconds. That's quick enough for me 🙂
 
hello 🙂

Is it worth the money to upgrade my 2012 2.3 ghz rMBP to the newest?
Is the new Retina so much faster with the new pcie SSD?
And is TB2 an another argument?

greetings
 
enemy14123 said:
hello 🙂

Is it worth the money to upgrade my 2012 2.3 ghz rMBP to the newest?
Is the new Retina so much faster with the new pcie SSD?
And is TB2 an another argument?

greetings
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I doubt you'll notice the speed difference. It's really not much faster, but with a little better battery life.

Regarding TB2: Have you used the TB1 port in your current rMBP? If not, why do you think you'll need version 2? 😛
 
some quick tests on the rmbp:

15", 8GB, 256GB, 2.0GHZ, Iris Pro, Windows 8.1

2880x1800 all settings ultra (aa is only fxaa)
cs:go 47fps
dota2 35fps
tf2: 62fps
guild wars 2: 17fps (24fps with shaders & shadows med)
 
fskywalker said:
Maybe the first boot is longer or else there is something strange in the new machines since the boot time of my 2012 rMBP in the 2.9/8/768 takes just 13 seconds, thought times were going to be less than that for PCIe SSD's
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I've tested literally 100's of SSD's including enterprise level PCI-E drives and on Windows, they all pretty much boot in the same time span, give or take a few seconds. I realize that is a Windows comparison but the point is, the speed of the SSD doesn't play much of a role in the boot time once you reach a certain threshold.
 
elchorizo said:
Hi Gilmore Girl,

I'm glad I could help!

I think the 13" rMBP would be plenty powerful to work with a large LR catalog, even as big as yours. Mine is only about 10,000 so I can't say I have personal experience with a catalog so big, just general computer knowledge. Anyway, yes, I do edit on a Windows machine primarily, but its mainly for convenience. Its setup at a nice desk with a comfy chair and huge monitors. Its a very nice place to game, and edit photos. I would be happy to use just the 13" rMBP if that was my only computer. Anyway, I think the power of the 2.6GHz would be plenty. I wouldn't worry about that. I think LR will be able to render large libraries well, and it will be able to perform edits on large photos well too. I will admit that it wont be as fast as the i7, but the difference is very small, and certainly not worth that much money (although this is a personal thing, someone with more money than me might disagree 😱 )

You are right about being able to install LR on both Windows and Mac with one license. I plan to do the same. I wish they'd allow that with Photoshop too, but alas, my Photoshop is Windows only, like yours.

You asked if the fact that I have a Windows desktop influenced my decision on my choice of rMBP. The truth is, I have multiple computers, including a 15" rMBP that my job assigned me last year. So its hard to say. However, I thought about it, and if I had to choose only one computer, it would be the 13" rMBP. It is the perfect combination of portability, power, and battery life. You can hook it to a couple big ass monitors and now its a perfect desktop. I really think its just about the perfect balance for a laptop. The only thing I'd like better were if the effective resolution were higher. Not a big deal though cause I will run it at the top scaled resolution of 1680x1050, just like I do with my 15" which I run at 1920x1200. More screen real estate is better for coding (or photo editing probably).

One more important point. Please forgive me if you already know this, but... I hope you have a good backup plan for your photo library. You should keep a copy of your Lightroom library files and all your photos on an external drive. You should keep ANOTHER copy on another external drive which you let your friend hang on to. Just keeping your backup on an external drive on the desk isn't good enough. A fire or theft would cause your photos to be gone forever!

Anyway, I hope this helps 🙂
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Thank you again for your extensive answer and also for the warning about the backups. Up till now I only had two independent external harddisks for my original raw files and copys of the catalogues. I hope to get more system into it once I have access to time machine.🙂
I also will make a third copy to store outside my home
I think I can order now and look forward to picking up my rMBP in the nearest Apple Store like so many others here already have. Thanks again for your help!
 
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