Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[zOlid]

its impossible.
do you realize how long it takes to reach WXGA from VGA in the mainstream market?

the current Retina display market is still niche, and you're expecting a 4k in laptop?

keep filling the pipe with those dreams.

I didn't say i expect it. I said its a possibility but just as last time you don't understand.
Many brands are working on 4k laptops for release during the second half of 2013.
So for Apple to release one in October is not such a impossibility at all.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130506PD215.html

 

[APPLE-FANATIC]

an event will be in august or they will wait for october to refresh all the iPads and Macs. So retina macbook pro haswell will be in august or october

What about September? They have held event during this month before...

 

[devilcm3]

I think it's the other way around. You may be wasting time unnecessarily by waiting.

Because we have no concrete proof that a rMBP or Haswell refresh will come in July.

Also note: if it was going to be a major update, Apple would hold an event for it. And if Apple was holding an event in July, we should at least hear about it now.

nope, absolutely no proof at all, just an optimist prediction.
apple announced iphone launch (12th sept) a week before the actual event (4th sept).
if we use that as an example, an event could be announced from beginning till mid of july.

the only event that apple announce 4 weeks earlier+ is the WWDC, because thats for devs and press.

I have a feeling that macbook will be announced along with the new iphone, either getting a flash announcement just like MBA ( 3 minutes ? lol ) or just silent refresh.

I didn't say i expect it. I said its a possibility but just as last time you don't understand.
Many brands are working on 4k laptops for release during the second half of 2013.
So for Apple to release one in October is not such a impossibility at all.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130506PD215.html

it will cater into a very niche market, with ridiculously high price.
with current Apple profit margins, no way they'll put those.

besides, the retina have just been released 2012 ... you mean, screw all 1st generation customers lets make a 4k retina laptop?
yeah, a very good way to retain your customers indeed

 

[fejker]

I'm with devilcm3 on this one. It wouldn't make sense to put such a resolution on 15" and 13" right now.
I hope we see an update in July.

 

[Serban]

What about September? They have held event during this month before...

July is too earlier, and september is iPhone and iPod month

 

[sofianito]

Apple won't do an event for releasing the rMBP. It is just a spec bump and they will just do a silent refresh like they did last February... I expect it in mid august when Jobs movie is released. It'll impact positively rMBP sales...

 

[bill-p]

nope, absolutely no proof at all, just an optimist prediction.
apple announced iphone launch (12th sept) a week before the actual event (4th sept).
if we use that as an example, an event could be announced from beginning till mid of july.

the only event that apple announce 4 weeks earlier+ is the WWDC, because thats for devs and press.

I have a feeling that macbook will be announced along with the new iphone, either getting a flash announcement just like MBA ( 3 minutes ? lol ) or just silent refresh.

The last time Apple refreshed something in February (in 2011), it took until October, though. So I think September/October are more likely time frame.

Also it'll coincide with the launch of Mavericks and iOS 7.

 

[dannythunder]

MBP is not strictly developed for developers Ask photographer or graphic designer is 4 GB of RAM sufficient

I dedicate 4 GB just for photoshop. As a graphic designer, I can honestly say that even 8gb is no longer sufficient. The industry is way different than it was 7 years ago when 4 GB was the standard.

The rise of digital publishing, web design and advanced 3d animation have expanded the metaphorical swiss army knife that comprise of our tools of the trade (too far with the metaphor? ). 16 gigs will be the industry standard, especially now that Indesign is 64 bit.

My ideal setup (and I think many graphic designers would agree) would be a quad that turbos up to 3.5-3.8 ghz, 16 GB RAM, 15" Hi-res antiglare at 1680x1050 (retina shmetina), a 7200rpm 750 GB drive and at the very least 1 GB of graphics.

 

[Livewings]

I dedicate 4 GB just for photoshop. As a graphic designer, I can honestly say that even 8gb is no longer sufficient. The industry is way different than it was 7 years ago when 4 GB was the standard.

The rise of digital publishing, web design and advanced 3d animation have expanded the metaphorical swiss army knife that comprise of our tools of the trade (too far with the metaphor? ). 16 gigs will be the industry standard, especially now that Indesign is 64 bit.

My ideal setup (and I think many graphic designers would agree) would be a quad that turbos up to 3.5-3.8 ghz, 16 GB RAM, 15" Hi-res antiglare at 1680x1050 (retina shmetina), a 7200rpm 750 GB drive and at the very least 1 GB of graphics.

I'm a graphic/web designer/photographer and I agree that 8gb is no longer enough. HOWEVER, I think SSD now is the minimum for me due to insane boot up speed and application startup. I would also love a 1920x1200-esque space which is achievable on the rMBP 15".

 

[zOlid]

I dedicate 4 GB just for photoshop. As a graphic designer, I can honestly say that even 8gb is no longer sufficient. The industry is way different than it was 7 years ago when 4 GB was the standard.

The rise of digital publishing, web design and advanced 3d animation have expanded the metaphorical swiss army knife that comprise of our tools of the trade (too far with the metaphor? ). 16 gigs will be the industry standard, especially now that Indesign is 64 bit.

My ideal setup (and I think many graphic designers would agree) would be a quad that turbos up to 3.5-3.8 ghz, 16 GB RAM, 15" Hi-res antiglare at 1680x1050 (retina shmetina), a 7200rpm 750 GB drive and at the very least 1 GB of graphics.

I'm a graphic/web designer/photographer and I agree that 8gb is no longer enough. HOWEVER, I think SSD now is the minimum for me due to insane boot up speed and application startup. I would also love a 1920x1200-esque space which is achievable on the rMBP 15".

Would be interesting to see some test about how it works in Mavricks now when data stored in the RAM gets compressed.
They promised quite good performance from it, so gonna be interesting to see how much difference it actually does.
Gonna have to google for some Mavricks beta test on that

 

[Nismo73]

The last time Apple refreshed something in February (in 2011), it took until October, though. So I think September/October are more likely time frame.

Also it'll coincide with the launch of Mavericks and iOS 7.

However, that was a dual core to the quad core chips (15") and thunderbolt introduction update to the Macbooks...This past February was a 0.1 ghz bump.

 

[brandonx76]

Apple won't do an event for releasing the rMBP. It is just a spec bump and they will just do a silent refresh like they did last February... I expect it in mid august when Jobs movie is released. It'll impact positively rMBP sales...

Interesting theory

 

[bill-p]

However, that was a dual core to the quad core chips (15") and thunderbolt introduction update to the Macbooks...This past February was a 0.1 ghz bump.

But it was still a silent update.

 

[dannythunder]

I'm a graphic/web designer/photographer and I agree that 8gb is no longer enough. HOWEVER, I think SSD now is the minimum for me due to insane boot up speed and application startup. I would also love a 1920x1200-esque space which is achievable on the rMBP 15".

Like I said, swiss army knife
(graphic/web/photographer/coffee/coffee/coffee)

SSD would be KILLER. I'm just waiting for the tech to catch up so that I'm not paying $600 for 512 GB.

 

[fejker]

Like I said, swiss army knife
(graphic/web/photographer/coffee/coffee/coffee)

SSD would be KILLER. I'm just waiting for the tech to catch up so that I'm not paying $600 for 512 GB.

I think the standard MBP is not going to be updated ... if it is, they sure won't put an SSD in there because that would cannibalise MBPr sales.
The only difference between the retina and standard would be the size and screen, so the upgradability of the standard MBP would give it advantage - I know I'd buy a MBP over the MBPr anytime if it came standard with a 256 GB SSD (I know you can pay extra for it, but who wants to pay for the standard 750 GB drive and an extra $300 for the 256 GB SSD). BTW, why isn't there an option for 16 GB of RAM on the standard MBP?! So yeah, Apple really doesn't give me much choice - premium priced Retina it is.

 

[bobbydd21]

I think the standard MBP is not going to be updated ... if it is, they sure won't put an SSD in there because that would cannibalise MBPr sales.
The only difference between the retina and standard would be the size and screen, so the upgradability of the standard MBP would give it advantage - I know I'd buy a MBP over the MBPr anytime if it came standard with a 256 GB SSD (I know you can pay extra for it, but who wants to pay for the standard 750 GB drive and an extra $300 for the 256 GB SSD). BTW, why isn't there an option for 16 GB of RAM on the standard MBP?! So yeah, Apple really doesn't give me much choice - premium priced Retina it is.

Don't get me wrong I love my rMBP but you could always upgrade the standard one yourself with all those things you listed for a fraction of the price apple charges you.

 

[fejker]

Don't get me wrong I love my rMBP but you could always upgrade the standard one yourself with all those things you listed for a fraction of the price apple charges you.

Yes, that's what I've been doing with my old 13" MBP. But IF they don't update the standard MBP, then there really isn't any choice if you want Haswell.

 

[InfinitiG]

Was thinking about this topic today. And it seems the most likely to me the haswell macbook pro will be released with the Mac Pro. Didnt they say end of the year for the mac pro? So Oct/Nov seems the best bet. I may resort to buy the new air.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

The last time Apple refreshed something in February (in 2011), it took until October, though. So I think September/October are more likely time frame.

Also it'll coincide with the launch of Mavericks and iOS 7.

I vote for October as well. Same reason as above. The usual 9 month cycle.

In that evemt they could introduce the
MacPro
Macbook Pro
Mac mini
iMacs
iWork 2014 (as already promised on stage)
iLife 2014
updated FCPX (as already promised on stage)
and I hope for
Aperture 4

 

[DisMyMac]

What does that leave for July and August then?

Just look at the buyer's guide... they're not going to wait till October.

 

[ssmK]

What does that leave for July and August then?

Just look at the buyer's guide... they're not going to wait till October.

Apple does not base their product cycles on MacRumor's bar graphs. Just for kicks though, let's take a look at the Buyer's Guide. Most of Apple's products have cycle lengths of 200-300 days. The Avg on the rMBPs is 124 days, this appears to be an anomaly rather than the norm.

I would hardly call this surprising given the "brand new" nature of the product line. Perhaps the short cycle times are Apple working some early kinks out of the line. The last update was in February, so to see an update in October would be 8 months = 240 days. Even that is on the lower end for some of the usual cycle times.

 

[Watabou]

Oh geez at first it was September and I thought hmm, maybe I can manage one month of uni with a dying laptop without a screen. But now October?

I humbly hope you guys are all wrong and Apple releases the rMBP sometime in July/August.

But come on, Apple updated the Macbook Air already, they aren't waiting until October to update the rMBP.

 

[hammm]

Oh geez at first it was September and I thought hmm, maybe I can manage one month of uni with a dying laptop without a screen. But now October?

I humbly hope you guys are all wrong and Apple releases the rMBP sometime in July/August.

But come on, Apple updated the Macbook Air already, they aren't waiting until October to update the rMBP.

I also think that Apple won't wait until October to release the Haswell MBPs. They announced Haswell MBA in June and if they wait for October to release MBPs, they are losing 4 months of Haswell laptop sales to competitors ... won't look good on their reports.

 

[PeterJP]

Would be interesting to see some test about how it works in Mavricks now when data stored in the RAM gets compressed.

I'd be interesting to find out which is most energy efficient: more RAM that isn't compressed, or less RAM with some power consumed while (de)compressing memory.

Most of Apple's products have cycle lengths of 200-300 days. The Avg on the rMBPs is 124 days, this appears to be an anomaly rather than the norm.

I would hardly call this surprising given the "brand new" nature of the product line. Perhaps the short cycle times are Apple working some early kinks out of the line.

Exactly. I find it surprising that people look at the historical info in the Buyer's Guide and accept it as a prediction of the future. It's a bit like watching what a stock did the last 5 years and then buying it, expecting the same behaviour. While I wouldn't be surprised if Apple does update the rMBP in July, I doubt it would be a redesign. When did Apple last release a completely new product, then to update the actual design less than a year later ? The MBA's design has been around for quite some time and the same holds for most other products.


Peter.

 

[Lunfai]

I'd be interesting to find out which is most energy efficient: more RAM that isn't compressed, or less RAM with some power consumed while (de)compressing memory.



Exactly. I find it surprising that people look at the historical info in the Buyer's Guide and accept it as a prediction of the future. It's a bit like watching what a stock did the last 5 years and then buying it, expecting the same behaviour. While I wouldn't be surprised if Apple does update the rMBP in July, I doubt it would be a redesign. When did Apple last release a completely new product, then to update the actual design less than a year later ? The MBA's design has been around for quite some time and the same holds for most other products.


Peter.

Where did people say there was going to be a redesign? The only thing I've read is that the 13" inch will be slimmer which will most likely match the thinness of the 15". It makes nonsense for them to announce them in October, I would imagine they could silent update them but they won't have two events. They will not announce a whole collection of new mac products at an iPad event, maybe a one or two but they wouldn't announce a refresh to 3/4 of their products.

If there was a redesign I would guess that they would've worked in in for WWDC. The following events will happen like this IMO:

July-August: (silent) MacBook Pro, iMac, Mac Mini.
September: iPhone and the cheaper iPhone with iOS 7.
October: iPad, iPad Mini, OS Mavericks, Mac Pro.

Now I'm not saying I might not release in October but September would be unlikely since it would steal the spotlight from the iPhone, and I hardly doubt they would announce new mac products at the same day.