I hope they are not going to make us wait until 2014 for an updated rMBP!! UGH!!
No, there will definitely be an update this year, either later this month or in October. That sounds like a June WWDC 2014 update.
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No, there will definitely be an update this year, either later this month or in October. That sounds like a June WWDC 2014 update.
Ahh...you're totally right...I was misreading the options for 15" rMBP (they have both Intel and dedicated)...so this benchmark test is definitely interesting...seems to suggest that no dedicated GPU at the very least on the model that was benched...is another model being planned w/dedicated GPU? Wouldn't rule that out, and TBH, would be surprised if Apple went that route. I mean the only rationale would be for reduced heat generation and cost savings...but apple's pro-line customers aren't dumb. Just seems strange if this generation of rMBPs would be 'gimped' out the gate...
I have been waiting for the Haswell rMBP for a while now, and I would be very disappointed if they went with an iris pro 5200 and no dGPU. Even if the 5200 matched the 650m for performance in every category (which it doesn't) it's been over a year since the last (and first) rMBP was released and I would like to see some performance increases. The 7 hour battery in the current rMBP is a nice amount and I feel like taking a step backwards in performance is not worth an increase in battery life at this point.
If the next rMBP's selling points are ac wireless, faster ssd, better battery life, a smaller form factor, and a step down in performance, I will feel very let down. All those perks are nice, but performance should only move in one direction. At the very least there should be a model that has an option for a dGPU.
If the next rMBP's selling points are ac wireless, faster ssd, better battery life, a smaller form factor, and a step down in performance, I will feel very let down. All those perks are nice, but performance should only move in one direction. At the very least there should be a model that has an option for a dGPU.
There is a option for a dGPU a Ivy Bridge model
that's the route I will be going if they ditch the dGPU.
There is a option for a dGPU a Ivy Bridge model
Again, this is all completely speculative...but If that's the case, you may as well skip this generation...they'll probably get it right 2 generations down the road (Broadwell?)
You get 1GB of video RAM with the current rMBP 15".
And that's not enough.
Shared RAM from DDR3L is not that fast.
That's why Iris Pro is slower than 650M at higher resolutions.
128MB L4 cache sounds fancy and technical, but all it boils down to in Haswell is just that... it substitutes for dedicated video RAM for Iris Pro, because sharing RAM with DDR3 is not sufficient. The CPU evidently doesn't benefit much from that 128MB L4 cache. Why? Because benchmarks show that it doesn't. Even for memory-intensive applications.
And 128MB trying to drive a 2880 x 1800 screen + possible 4K external? That IS something to laugh at.
Edit: for more laugh:
Iris Pro memory bandwidth: 128MB "L4 cache" at ~50GB/s
GeForce 650M (stock configuration): 1024MB at ~80GB/s
DDR3 memory bandwidth: ~25.6GB/s
Even if Intel gets their drivers right and can combine DDR3 with that L4 cache for a theoretical 75.6GB/s bandwidth (and "magically" fix latency problems), you're still looking at a measly 128MB. The GeForce 650M of the last generation rMBP has 8 times that amount.
And you're still losing precious system RAM to Iris Pro. 8GB already feels pretty constrained on the rMBP since graphics assets are 4x bigger compared to on regular screens, but imagine losing another 1GB on top. Not pretty.
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I would but my turd of a plastic Dell ain't gonna last that long
No dGPU I will just get a 2.7/16gb 512gb Ivy Bridge model from the refurb store and save a few quid
I don't see a long term 4k solution (i.e 5 year lifespan) coming out of the next MBP line...if you're doing 4k work, you're better suited for the Mac Pro line
For games? Or general desktop use?
Right now the HD 4000 handles 2880x1800 general usage, and will even do the 1920x1200 HiDPI mode which is of course pushing 3840x2400 pixels. It does that with 0mb of on-package memory.
Honestly I think HD 5200 will be great for "Pro" usage. The GPU in the MBP line has historically been there for "Pro" apps that are GPU accelerated, and more recently for OpenCL computation power. The HD 5200 should handle both of those cases just fine.
It is a regression in gaming performance but I don't think Apple cares as much about that.
The current rMBP can already connect to 4K displays via HDMI or via dual-link DVI.
And the whole point of having Thunderbolt 2.0 is to connect to 4K display.
So I don't doubt Apple will come out with a 4K display of their own sooner or later. Possibly as early as next year.
And a 4K display isn't just for 4K videos. It's also for the massive amount of desk space that one can potentially extract from such a thing.
For 3D rendering applications. AutoCAD, Maya and 3DS Max come to mind.
Again, it's not just gaming that will benefit from a beefy GPU. I'm sure no professional would want to have to downscale resolution in order to get the same performance out of their 3D rendering application.
And HD 4000 doesn't handle scaling the interface. That part is actually done by the CPU. There is no dedicated function or hardware on the GPU to currently do scaling the way Apple does it. (that's why Windows on Retina displays doesn't look as good)
I'm sorry. Have I missed a post in this thread?
Many people are talking as if the new rMBP will definitely not have discreet graphics.
From what I've read so far This is based on a CPU benchmark that has absolutely no graphic benchmarks or information? That doesn't detect/publicly announce the graphics card or capability of the machine in question what-so-ever.
I must be missing a post where the info came out that the rMBP is integrated only. can someone link me to it? Why hasn't MacRumors put this out as a story?
Many people are talking as if the new rMBP will definitely not have discreet graphics.
From what I've read so far This is based on a CPU benchmark that has absolutely no graphic benchmarks or information? That doesn't detect/publicly announce the graphics card or capability of the machine in question what-so-ever.
I must be missing a post where the info came out that the rMBP is integrated only. can someone link me to it? Why hasn't MacRumors put this out as a story?
1) The choice of a quad core CPU with the super high end Iris Pro HD 5200 graphics points to no dedicated GPU. If there were going to be a dedicated GPU, Apple could have gone with the much cheaper integrated graphics and still had improved performance from the current generation.
2) Read the update at the bottom of this article:
https://www.macrumors.com/2013/07/09/next-generation-15-inch-macbook-pro-shows-up-in-benchmarks/
That's what I was missing Thanks. Worrying news. I've been holding off upgrading to buy the next rMBP. If it doesn't have discreet graphics, I ain't interested. Like this nvidia blog post states It's just bad news for gamers
As far as I know, the coreimage stuff means iris will be ok for my aperture & video needs, but I use my mac as my main machine, and this is going to send "proper" mac gaming back big time. If it's dedicated only, I honestly don't know what my next purchasing decision is going to be.
There ain't no such thing as proper mac gaming if you ask me - a pretty cheap built PC will easily kick the 650M and make it look like a pathetic underpowered joke. I keep a PC desktop around just for gaming... cause you will NEVER get that sort of gaming graphics performance from a Mac, and even less so from MBs.
Never really understood why people are willing to compromise when it isn't that expensive to keep a dedicated gaming rig around.
The Iris Pro is all the rMBP needs... unless you intend on gaming... which you should really do on a PC desktop if you're serious about your gaming. I guess its nice to be able to do something in a pinch while on the road on your rMBP, but it will always be compromised, Iris Pro, or dGPU.
I can GeekBench my machines without publishing the results to primatelabs. I am quite sure the leak is intended...
or accidental, when they forgot to switch off the wireless connection.
i see no reason for apple to leak info ... causing people to hold their purchases expecting a new laptop coming out soon?
browser.primatelabs.com
I see no reason for Apple not blocking access to www.primatelabs.com and browser.primatelabs.com in their prototype. They just need to put 2 firewall rules...
I see no reason for Apple not blocking access to www.primatelabs.com and browser.primatelabs.com in their prototype. They just need to put 2 firewall rules...
Apple wouldn't let the same leak happen multiple times. I don't think the leak is part of their marketing strategy (although who knows), but certainly they tolerate these kinds of leaks at certain stages in their development cycle.
I don't think there is any harm for Apple from these leaks. The only people that find out are those who regularly browse rumor sites (it is not like this leak made the front page of the NY Times), and those people already know about the model cycles and expected refreshments.
I've heard this argument constantly for years as a mac fan. In the early days and pre intel days I'd tend to agree, but not now. I'm not asking for a powerhouse, I'm asking for something that is optimised and compliant. Something an integrated intel (No matter how powerful) will ever be. Read the Nvidia blog I posted previously.
I have an x51 for gaming attached to my TV. I love it very much. Before I had it I gamed on my 2011 17" MBP and it was pretty passable. Better than nothing.
I still use my MBP for Diablo and other apple native games for convenience and bedtime/on the road playing. We've just started to see ports of "proper" games such as Max Payne 3, Deux Ex : HR and others. No matter if it's DX based or Open GL, no-one will be arsed to optimise for a intel based graphics card. It'll knock back Apple gaming bigtime. Choice is a big part of it. Laptop vs dedicated experience is part of it. When I spend £2500 on a laptop, I'd like it to have a "proper" GPU, rather than intel. Apple can argue that intel is now "good enough" all they want. for my case & many other mac users, is just isn't.
I don't like the idea of Intel to be honest for any GPU accelerated tasks either. The innovation comes from NVidia and ATI in this sector.
So first we're potentially waiting until October for Thunderbolt 2 so Apple can power 4k displays, then apparently there's a high chance that at least one of the 15" rMBPs will not have a dGPU. This does not compute. Now I'm actually afraid we'll get a really crappy July release which removes dGPU in favor of Haswell + Iris Pro, while Thunderbolt 2, IGZO, improved graphics are all pushed to next year.
Can anyone recommend me a good Windows MBP equivalent? I like the Razer Blade but apparently its screen is terrible which is a deal-killer.
Can anyone recommend me a good Windows MBP equivalent? I like the Razer Blade but apparently its screen is terrible which is a deal-killer.
I think the purpose of these leaks is to feed mass expectations and rumors...
i hope we all are wrong, just like when the iPhone5 came out .. everybody is pretty certain it is going to sport a tapered design ... which turned out is an elongated iphone 4
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