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Imagine these machines sitting in a lab, and an assistant has been instructed to run a suite of benchmarks on all of the machines, what would he do? Carefully configure the benchmarks for each machine, or just download, click run and move on?


The thing is, even if the assistant you mentioned above didn't know that the result would be upload to the website. But, that has happened to the 13 rmbp, and the news get all over the world. So everyone in apple should have known that the result could go public after that leak. And they could have avoided doing so again on 15rmbp.

And according to someone else mentioned that an average person could easily hide the result from the geekbench website. I have to say I can see Apple is somehow deliberately showing the result and want us to know the specs. Not that it is big secret, but still you can see it is not a mistake or accident.
 
And for those who think they may offer two models of the rMBP 15" at the same time (one with dGPU and one with Iris Pro), it makes no sense.

Apple would need 2 different manufacturing lines to make 2 different motherboards... with different components, and then there's also the fact that they have to use 2 different cooling systems, 2 different chassis (to accommodate the cooling system), and other things.

That's too much of a hassle just to serve a niche market. They aren't out to please everyone.

well, it would please those customers that wanted a retina but only could afford a Hi-Res cMBP.
they could kill the cMBP line and replace it with a rMBP without dGPU ( lets call it rMBP lite)...
then :apple: would offer the lite version as a cMBP replacement for future macbook generations.


just my thoughts.
 
Not to see public reaction: you're thinking Apple may backtrack because the public reacts to the lack of dGPU? Nope, no chance of that. If they are confident enough to publish the results to Geekbench, that means the specifications of the machine are already final.

They benchmarked the Mac Pro six times, with both Xeon and Sandy Bridge E processors (under AAPLJ90,1 at http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/search?q=AAPLJ90,1), and that doesn't need to be final because it's not expected for a few months.
 
What is the chance of Iris pro 5200 + nVidia 750? I wouldn't mind paying extra for dgpu personally.

Based on the CPU's power consumption I'd say unlikely. It is more likely that Apple would use a lower wattage CPU that lacks Iris Pro to be able to stick in an NVIDIA 750m. I think both combined would go over 85 Watts.

I too wouldn't mind having both though.
 
I am so tempted to with all this about no dGPU and just get a 2.7/16/512 but would be gutted if they then released one with a dGPU and it was all BS

Even without the dGPU, I'm sure we'd see some modest gains in terms of battery life. I'd hold off unless the purchase was absolutely necessary. Apple has been quite unpredictable as of late.
 
They benchmarked the Mac Pro six times, with both Xeon and Sandy Bridge E processors (under AAPLJ90,1 at http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/search?q=AAPLJ90,1), and that doesn't need to be final because it's not expected for a few months.

i don't know if macpro processor are soldered or not.
but if they don't apple could just mix and match different CPUs in order to benchmark it. all it takes is just a simple CPU removal just like old MacPros .. boot it up, and bench it.
 
Based on the CPU's power consumption I'd say unlikely. It is more likely that Apple would use a lower wattage CPU that lacks Iris Pro to be able to stick in an NVIDIA 750m. I think both combined would go over 85 Watts.

All Haswells are 47W, except for the 4930 and the 4702, which have 57W and 37W respectfully, and I highly doubt that they'll use the 4702 on the MBP.
 
I bought a 15" rMBP (2.7/16/512) about 2 weeks ago and have been enjoying it so much! Been on vacation for the past week and have almost gotten through Dead Space 2 on my rMBP during patches of downtime. I'm really surprised at what a competent gaming machine this thing makes!
 
Let me explain how the flow works:
Basically, GeekBench run the benchmark and posts the result in XML format to their website. The server return two values that are used by GeekBench to open your default browser and point to the result page. To prevent it from publishing the result, you just trick it so that their website IP is resolved to your local host. You achieve this by adding the following line to your /etc/hosts file: 127.0.0.1 browser.primatelabs.com

Now, all you have to do is to download and run a HTTP proxy monitor such as Charles proxy or Apache TCP monitor, and setup your Ethernet or WiFi to use that proxy. You'll be able to see passing the benchmark result in XML format. Since GeekBench is posting the result to your localhost (thanks to the line above), it will simply fail and nothing will go out of your computer ;)

Easy, isn't it? And don't tell me Apple engineers are not aware of these tricks... By the way, I am looking for a job... :D

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As I said in a previous post, a simple firewall rule in the prototype machine prevents from sending stuff to primatelabs...

The assistant would have to go through extra efforts for each machine or reconfigure the testing environment. Doesn't sound right to me.

How quickly people forget the past! - Apple has done it before. In Mid-2009 to Mid-2010 the MacBook Pro was offered in two SKU's

15" with only 9400m (Integrated in the chipset)
and
15" with both the 9400m and a dedicated 9600GT.

So please, it makes perfect sense they did it just 3 years ago!

For those wanting to look it up: MacBookPro5,4

That was the first generation unibody Macbook Pro. We're talking about a second generation product here.

well, it would please those customers that wanted a retina but only could afford a Hi-Res cMBP.
they could kill the cMBP line and replace it with a rMBP without dGPU ( lets call it rMBP lite)...
then :apple: would offer the lite version as a cMBP replacement for future macbook generations.

just my thoughts.

Except Iris Pro costs an arm and a leg so Apple wouldn't be able to offer it at much lower price point than the dGPU line.

Just turn-off Wifi....

On each of the test machine... and then re-enable them on each of the test machine again for network tests...

No thanks.
 
Perhaps an idea is Apply could have 2 CPUs, one that is very low power and low frequency and another that is ultra performance and uses much power. Design it so can swap (if not dynamically then by a switch before turning the thing on, where the bios checks switch status at boot up to decide which CPU to use). That way if just doing word typing then can choose to get 24hrs life or if 3d gaming can choose 8 hours life.
 
Perhaps an idea is Apply could have 2 CPUs, one that is very low power and low frequency and another that is ultra performance and uses much power. Design it so can swap (if not dynamically then by a switch before turning the thing on, where the bios checks switch status at boot up to decide which CPU to use). That way if just doing word typing then can choose to get 24hrs life or if 3d gaming can choose 8 hours life.

What are you, 10?
 
Perhaps an idea is Apply could have 2 CPUs, one that is very low power and low frequency and another that is ultra performance and uses much power. Design it so can swap (if not dynamically then by a switch before turning the thing on, where the bios checks switch status at boot up to decide which CPU to use). That way if just doing word typing then can choose to get 24hrs life or if 3d gaming can choose 8 hours life.

That is an out of the box idea!

Hope someone reading this thread works for Apple and takes into consideration the ideas and concerns shared here
 
Perhaps an idea is Apply could have 2 CPUs, one that is very low power and low frequency and another that is ultra performance and uses much power. Design it so can swap (if not dynamically then by a switch before turning the thing on, where the bios checks switch status at boot up to decide which CPU to use). That way if just doing word typing then can choose to get 24hrs life or if 3d gaming can choose 8 hours life.

LOL. Inspector Gadget :D
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How is the availability of laptops with quad core i7 Haswell at the moment? I checked a few:

Dell.com: Estimated shipping date July 24 (most non Iris Pro CPUs)
Razer Blade: 5-7 days (4702HQ)
MSI: 1-3 days (4700MQ, microcenter)


Has anyone seen any machines with Iris Pro that are available? Could those be delayed?
 
How is the availability of laptops with quad core i7 Haswell at the moment? I checked a few:

Dell.com: Estimated shipping date July 24 (most non Iris Pro CPUs)
Razer Blade: 5-7 days (4702HQ)
MSI: 1-3 days (4700MQ, microcenter)


Has anyone seen any machines with Iris Pro that are available? Could those be delayed?

Probably just the fact that no one wants to use them but apple. Iris Pro is too expensive for what it does. Apple has been pushing intel to start using edram and better igpus for a while now, but they have been reluctant since none of the other manufacturers seem to care.
 
Ok, so I'm sitting here biding my time with a Late '08 MBP until the Haswell MBP emerges.

My needs are not computationally huge, but I have one very necessary requirement/desire: a 15" screen, so no MBAir for me.

Having seen the Retina display, if I'm going to fork over that much cash, I will definitely go Retina.

I don't game, so no need for a dedicated GPU (I've rarely needed the dGPU in the late '08).

I also want to give myself 5-6 years of "future proofing" before having to pony up for the next machine.

So it seems the ideal MBP for me would a 15" rMBP with: no more than a "medium strength" Haswell, Iris 5100/5200 iGPU, 16 GB ram, at least 500GB SSD (preferably 768GB), and 802.11ac (Thunderbolt 1.0 would be sufficient).


My no-doubt-naive question to those speculating Apple will only sell one "type" of MBP (iGPU or dGPU) is:

Why *won't* you expect Apple to offer machines directed to two different markets?


There have to be a lot of folks like me that want a MBP, but don't need a true "pro level" machine -- in other words, a lot of gravy on the table for Apple to slurp up.

There also are certainly a lot of folks that actually *need* pro-level performance (a lot fewer than most of us, I expect) and not including an dGPU would lower cost (bringing the machine into the reach of a larger audience).

I would expect that Apple would want/need to have a "powerhouse" machine to meet these needs, as well as for top-end "halo"/pride purposes.

If I'm correct about the above, it seems like a no-brainer to proceed, as Apple has done in the past, with both iGPU and dGPU/iGPU configurations.

I'm well aware of economies of scale, logisitics, etc. that come from simplifying model variations -- but at some point narrowing the options too far begins to *decrease* revenue and profit when you don't have product that a large chunk of the market wants (i.e., if only one iGPU-only model, some "pro level" folks will make do, but a lot of high-margin pro-level buyers will go elsewhere; if only one dGPU/iGPU model, some non-pro-level buyers will strech to pay the extra for an dGPU machine, but a *lot* won't).

Anything I'm missing here?
 
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