Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[trueredsoxfan58]

Switching to ARM would be a massive undertaking, It would break compatibility with nearly everything, no more bootcamp and would just be a massive headache for developers to port their apps to ARM. The switch wouldn't yield more performance and Intel chips already dont consume much power.

The ONLY benefit would be marginally better battery at the low end of the performance spectrum.

 

[richinaus]

The ONLY benefit would be marginally better battery at the low end of the performance spectrum.[/QUOTE]

I don't understand the benefit either right now - maybe in 5 years time or something but certainly wouldn't deliver the performance needed and the changes to software would be huge.
Don't forget that the mac was no way as popular as it is now when it transitioned over from powerpc to intel and had less apps [from what I can recall].

 

[trueredsoxfan58]

The ONLY benefit would be marginally better battery at the low end of the performance spectrum.

I don't understand the benefit either right now - maybe in 5 years time or something but certainly wouldn't deliver the performance needed and the changes to software would be huge.
Don't forget that the mac was no way as popular as it is now when it transitioned over from powerpc to intel and had less apps [from what I can recall].[/QUOTE]
And also x86 is already used in windows. It really wasnt that bad of a transition either because the emulator for powerpc was decent since x86 was a powerful platform. Emulating x86 on ARM would be a nightmare along with porting over applications. ARM is great for low-performance, low-power applications such as smartphones and CONSUMPTION tablets such as the iPad ("pro" included"). There is a reason the surface is doing so well.

 

[AgentAnonymous]

GTX 970? lmao

The GTX 970 is a gimped card that comes with less RAM than advertised... why would you want that?

 

[x-evil-x]

25 page sprint and silence

 

[Woochoo]

You'll regret it.

The XPS 15 pales in comparison to even the current MacBook Pros. And don't forget preloaded with Windows 10, a truly terrible OS that even Microsoft fan boys detest.

October we'll definitely see the new Macs. Anyone who thought they were going to be announced today was merely setting themselves up for disappointment.

Really? Well, I'm reall happy with W10, even as my main OS now (for work), El Capitan has become the "content consumer" OS on my MBA. Even in my MBA when I installed Bootcamp, W10 was smooth. So yeah, "Windows fanboys hate 10", might be possible since as I'm not a fanboy of any OS, brand or product I can enjoy using both OS in an unbiased way.
Just one question: have you really used it? And no, using doesn't mean "yeah I used a PC at uni computers lab", but really using it as if it was your main OS. I'm sure W10 is really bad at certin things, as it is OSX in other things, but overall both OS are more than good.

 

[rezwits]

They could, in principle, develop a version of macOS for ARM (like how they transitioned from PowerPC to x86/x64) while keeping the UI intact. Whether they'll gain much by doing so is unclear though. Whatever the problems will be, it will definitely be better than iOS, one thing I can assert for sure.

They could and probably do have an macOS version that runs on ARM, like they have for 5+ years while on PPC.

But...

1. This is the most important fact: There are TONS of programs that have already been re-written for x86 and x64, from PPC, we are chin-deep in them now days. And no it's not that it's just a quick re-compile, plus the developers would NEVER go back to some old code bases in lots of instances, just to recompile something that people have already rummaged, like plug-ins and filters for Apps, millions of apps that people have.

2. In the past the transition was always to a somewhat faster chip that could handle, some backwards emulation, of this software. This is a severe downgrade, especially if you look at a Mac Pro with 24 cores.

3. If they do have any version running on ARM, it is probably so painfully slow, that it KILLS them to work on it.

4. If they did do an ARM MAC, it would be without emulation and would be like a Retina MacBook, but not able to run any old software, but in theory I could see it, but you're talking like A16+

Just saying...

but FT!

oh and

25 page sprint and silence

That's what I was going to say, but actually it was like a 40 page sprint then crickets...

 

[Branflaakes]

Really? Well, I'm reall happy with W10, even as my main OS now (for work), El Capitan has become the "content consumer" OS on my MBA. Even in my MBA when I installed Bootcamp, W10 was smooth. So yeah, "Windows fanboys hate 10", might be possible since as I'm not a fanboy of any OS, brand or product I can enjoy using both OS in an unbiased way.
Just one question: have you really used it? And no, using doesn't mean "yeah I used a PC at uni computers lab", but really using it as if it was your main OS. I'm sure W10 is really bad at certin things, as it is OSX in other things, but overall both OS are more than good.

Agreed. Windows 10 is very robust and practical. This is coming from a windows and mac user. Hated Windows 8 because accessibility was just confusing cause of the whole mess with the tiles and accessing desktop FROM tiles, but Windows 10 is amazing. I'd say I like the user interface on macs more, but managing files is so much easier on windows. Both OS's are extremely fast. I'd say Windows 10 is "snappier" than macOS even.

 

[volcomvenom]

I have a head ache, probably from the lack of an announcement of MacBook Pros today. Good night to all.

 

[shareef777]

Switching to ARM would be a massive undertaking, It would break compatibility with nearly everything, no more bootcamp and would just be a massive headache for developers to port their apps to ARM. The switch wouldn't yield more performance and Intel chips already dont consume much power.

The ONLY benefit would be marginally better battery at the low end of the performance spectrum.

Don't under estimate the power of the larger profit margin!

 

[ImpatientlyWaiting]

Really? Well, I'm reall happy with W10, even as my main OS now (for work), El Capitan has become the "content consumer" OS on my MBA. Even in my MBA when I installed Bootcamp, W10 was smooth. So yeah, "Windows fanboys hate 10", might be possible since as I'm not a fanboy of any OS, brand or product I can enjoy using both OS in an unbiased way.
Just one question: have you really used it? And no, using doesn't mean "yeah I used a PC at uni computers lab", but really using it as if it was your main OS. I'm sure W10 is really bad at certin things, as it is OSX in other things, but overall both OS are more than good.

I have been using W10 (private) and W7 (work/uni) as daily drivers since both were released. I would even prefer going back to 7, simply because it kind of works. W10 is horrific. You must be crazy to jump ship. Updates updates updates. Laggy as hell. Looks ok, but still. That's why I'm getting my first Apple Computer.

 

[Branflaakes]

I have been using W10 (private) and W7 (work/uni) as daily drivers since both were released. I would even prefer going back to 7, simply because it kind of works. W10 is horrific. You must be crazy to jump ship. Updates updates updates. Laggy as hell. Looks ok, but still. That's why I'm getting my first Apple Computer.

So... you're basically saying you do not have a mac device to compare windows to and you are going to get your first Apple computer, while complaining of said problems of only something you have thorough experience with, which is Windows. My Surface Pro 4 does not lag one bit and is actually faster than my mac when it comes to opening/closing applications. I'm sure however you'll say something along the lines of "No I've used my friends mac for x amount of months/years" blah blah blah

 

[ArchimeZix]

My favourite lens is the petzval 58 https://shop.lomography.com/en/newpetzval58-brass
Just amazing photos
Used it for this photo of the Danish Prime minister https://www.flickr.com/photos/venstredk/29493550465/in/photostream/
not my best picture with the lens, but i knew where this were

didn't hear about this brand before but actually interesting bokeh lens.. will definitely read more about it

 

[Wowereit]

I don't understand the benefit either right now - maybe in 5 years time or something but certainly wouldn't deliver the performance needed and the changes to software would be huge.
Don't forget that the mac was no way as popular as it is now when it transitioned over from powerpc to intel and had less apps [from what I can recall].

There is a difference between switching from niche to industry standard as they did back then and going from Intel to their own proprietary version of ARM, that would be the exact opposite.

Remember that back in the days Intel would have 5 times better efficiency while being more than twice as powerful.
Apple's ARM does have like 2 or 3 times better efficiency on low power chips (there are no high power chips for comparison) but significantly less computing power.

Before people start praising the desktop like performance of Apple's chips and talk about crushing the Core M (which it actually does not, but keep in mind - that's the lowest core series chip, the entry model in performance regards) we should look at some things:

- Benchmarks. The main source of those statements is Geekbench. Geekbench is a benchmark which is throwing over their own charts with every "even more realistic" version of their benchmark. Some chips end up 30% ahead of other chips that were 40% ahead of them on the last "soooo realistic" version. Geekbench on ARM vs ARM is still somewhat reasonable, but on ARM vs x86? They are literally doing different things on both platforms like doubling or even quadrupling precision of Int/FPU operations for x86.

- Scalability. Main reason for ARMs better power consumption is reduced frontend. If you are saving 3W of frontend in a 5W chipset, that's huge. If you are saving 3W of frontend in a 30W notebook CPU or a 60W desktop CPU or even a 140W enthusiast or server CPU, it does not matter.

- Missing the obvious. Graphics on Apple's chips are huge, sure, but maybe we should remember one thing. They are driving 727,040, 1,000,500 or 2,073,600 pixels. 15" retina is drving 5,184,000.

- Ignoring the OS. iOS and Android compared to MacOS and Windows are absolutely lightweight.

 

[Dead0k]

So when is the next event? mid October ?

 

[unagimiyagi]

Dear readers, here is the gist:
No update, yet again.

We're furious, we're going to leave Apple. No respect to the customers who spend the most money and the most loyal.I feel this way exactly.

Then we shop around and realize there's still nothing that's as pleasant to use nor as real world fast as these "old" macbook pros that are supposedly underpowered and overpriced.

So we come back with our tails tucked in between our legs and wait without any self-dignity.

Solution: competitors, make a retina screen with an OS that scales reliably and put a trackpad in it that works. Done. We don't even care if you completely ape the macbook pro's design. Just do it and I'm ready to go.

But I know that no one will do that because it's not that easy or no one has the patience to engineer a trackpad that is as responsive.

 

[lympero]

This is funny : http://m.9gag.com/gag/aOv1v5M?ref=fbp

 

[robeddie]

Just wait one more month. When u see the new redesigned Macbook Pro, you will have forgotten all the bitter wait that instant. They need to anyway. All the wait for just a refreshed is not going to be good.

Whats so maddening is that Apple has it backwards:
They should be updating their macs every year or so, and doing majoir updates to mac OS wvery 2-3 years. That's the way they used to do it, and it made sense.

But Tim Cook has turned it upside down.

So now we get a new buggy, rushed OS every year, and they sit on outdated, overpriced hardware for 2-3 (or more) years.

 

[Grolubao]

Dear readers, here is the gist:
No update, yet again.

We're furious, we're going to leave Apple. No respect to the customers who spend the most money and the most loyal.I feel this way exactly.

Then we shop around and realize there's still nothing that's as pleasant to use nor as real world fast as these "old" macbook pros that are supposedly underpowered and overpriced.

So we come back with our tails tucked in between our legs and wait without any self-dignity.

Solution: competitors, make a retina screen with an OS that scales reliably and put a trackpad in it that works. Done. We don't even care if you completely ape the macbook pro's design. Just do it and I'm ready to go.

But I know that no one will do that because it's not that easy or no one has the patience to engineer a trackpad that is as responsive.

Essentially it's this... Provided I had proper scaling and a proper trackpad I would go to Windows, problem is that no one seems to be able to make a trackpad as good as Apple

 

[ArchimeZix]

I think everyone here knew that was extremely difficult to expect something BIG about Macs today, but jeez, I was hoping for just a SINGLE WORD... a date... or just a "see you in october with other AMAZING news"... now i feel empty. Seriously considering (another) Windows laptop, also if I promised myself the Vaio I'm using right now would have been the last one.

I felt the same but for me no where to go. windows nah i can't... I felt I want to quit my IT job and the world of computers completely and be a farmer.... not because no mac news in this event.. because of Apple new thinking. I mean.. pokemon and mario?

 

[dealmaker]

Pokemon and Mario FFS

 

[ShadovvMoon]

Good News! My laptop must have watched the keynote and realised it won't be replaced any time soon, so the battery has gone back to "Normal"

"Normal" -> "Service Required" -> "No Battery" -> "Normal" in the space of a day.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[tofagerl]

Well, are you sure your battery was there the whole time? Looks to me like it ran out for cigarettes or something...

 

[ocgirl]

So guys, what is the next date we should look forward to now ? (if there is even one at this point)...

 

[Schranke]

Good News! My laptop must have watched the keynote and realised it won't be replaced any time soon, so the battery has gone back to "Normal"

"Normal" -> "Service Required" -> "No Battery" -> "Normal" in the space of a day.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

On your behalf I'm happy, but I will also be scared. Your mac is obvious hunted...
It might be the ghost of Steve