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Now that the 2016 Models are out, will you buy a 2016 Model?

  • No, They increased the cost far to much. The Apple i once new loved appears to have disappeared.

    Votes: 465 36.6%
  • No, I really wanted a Kaby Lake processor, ill wait till 2017

    Votes: 325 25.6%
  • Yes, Im ordering a 2016 now, or already placed an order already.

    Votes: 482 37.9%

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Although I find the look of the Touch Bar really appealing, I find that all of the tasks, albeit taking a fraction of a second longer, can be done with the trackpad.

However Apple nailed it with Touch ID, and I hope that the cheaper MBP or the MB gets Touch ID. Even better if it's only Touch ID.
 
Although I find the look of the Touch Bar really appealing, I find that all of the tasks, albeit taking a fraction of a second longer, can be done with the trackpad.

However Apple nailed it with Touch ID, and I hope that the cheaper MBP or the MB gets Touch ID. Even better if it's only Touch ID.

Agreed. When I watched the part of the keynote where they were like, "you can hit "reply" right from the Touch Bar!" I couldn't help but think how much faster and more efficient it would be to just scroll the cursor to the button with the friggin' trackpad or hit "cmd + R". There's potential for it to be useful, but duplicating tasks that most people have already gotten proficient at doing with the trackpad and/or keyboard shortcuts is not offering any improvement. Those duplications are what make it a gimmick (so far). I'm also skeptical that they would continue to put enough R&D into the Touch Bar to make it less of a gimmick. Just look at how gimped Siri has become...

The touch ID is good, and they should put it on the power button even for the "barless" MBPs. Probably won't happen anytime soon though, as that would take away an incentive to spend more $$ for a lot of people.
 
Positive thinking, I see – you're assuming there will be an update in 2017 :) Skylake thread (gone, but not forgotten!) went for three years and the first post said Skylake is rumoured to come in 2015 :D

Navaira, I love the Benjamin Button Review! It does kind of make you question whether the universe has bounced and time is going to start running backwards again so we see some progress.
 
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The only smart decision is waiting for this first generation Touch Bar to mature a bit on the next iteration and shake off potential idiosyncrasies that might pop up soon.
 
I thought I'd leave this here, to put things into perspective a little bit:

What happens if a Company goes for Performance and upgradeability before thin & light in an 13" Laptop that's potentially a mobile Workstation? This...

OLED Screen optional (100% Adobe RGB), nearly 4K
metallic (actual steel) keys on keyboard, 2mm travel traditional keys (not chiclet)
up to 32 GB Ram, Killer Wifi, 2x M2 SSDs - ALL user-upgradeable
Quadcore Skylake 6700 CPU
NVIDIA GTX 1060
runs Battlefield 1 MAXED on Ultra Settings in Full HD at around 85 FPS!!


And yes admittedly, the trackpad is crap, the whole Thing is a gaming Laptop,
BUT given the stats and the pricetag, I'm surprised it's still closer to thin than to fat and yes the battery life might suck,
but It'd be perfect for us Folks moving it only between 2 places... home and work for example.

Here it is:

I'd so love a powerful Macbook Pro with similar stats, even if it's the same thickness.
In my book we're SO off target. Thin and light could be the normal macbook, but the PROs Need POWER.
 
With the onset of 4K. getting a skylake macbook pro would only result in a better screen for me. My 2013 i7 8GB 512GB MBA is fine atm, (I just wish I had a retina screen.)
However Skylake is NOT ready for 4K video (yes I know it can do a software decode, however thats a waste of battery and other problems with that I'll get to).

Sony has already announced they will support 4K on PCs on Kaby Lake and above. This is due to some hardware DRM that Intel will be implementing. Kaby Lake also will be able to decode 4K 10 bit HEVC completely in hardware (barley any power usage). It also will support 10 bit VP9

However there is another problem with HEVC and VP9, HEVC is a mess with its royalties and licensing, VP9 doesnt have that great of a compression level compared to HEVC.

Enter the Alliance for Open Media. http://aomedia.org/ . This group is backed by Google, Netflix, Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, and a whole number of big names to bring a royalty-free open media codec that is even better than HEVC. I believe Netflix will not support 4K on PCs with anything other than this new codec and Kaby Lake's DRM features.
Hopefully since Intel is involved with this new codec it will be fully decoded in hardware in Coffee Lake/ CannonLake.

If you dont need a new mac RIGHT NOW. Please wait, h.264 is on its way out and you dont want to be left behind or having to software-decode video.
 
With the onset of 4K. getting a skylake macbook pro would only result in a better screen for me. My 2013 i7 8GB 512GB MBA is fine atm, (I just wish I had a retina screen.)
However Skylake is NOT ready for 4K video (yes I know it can do a software decode, however thats a waste of battery and other problems with that I'll get to).

Sony has already announced they will support 4K on PCs on Kaby Lake and above. This is due to some hardware DRM that Intel will be implementing. Kaby Lake also will be able to decode 4K 10 bit HEVC completely in hardware (barley any power usage). It also will support 10 bit VP9

However there is another problem with HEVC and VP9, HEVC is a mess with its royalties and licensing, VP9 doesnt have that great of a compression level compared to HEVC.

Enter the Alliance for Open Media. http://aomedia.org/ . This group is backed by Google, Netflix, Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, and a whole number of big names to bring a royalty-free open media codec that is even better than HEVC. I believe Netflix will not support 4K on PCs with anything other than this new codec and Kaby Lake's DRM features.
Hopefully since Intel is involved with this new codec it will be fully decoded in hardware in Coffee Lake/ CannonLake.

If you dont need a new mac RIGHT NOW. Please wait, h.264 is on its way out and you dont want to be left behind or having to software-decode video.

I hear this a lot, I just don't see the use case? Why am I watching 4k Netflix on a laptop that lacks a 4k screen? Is this for PLEX, like streaming to a Roku or something?
 
Zero chance. Cannon Lake comes in 15 watt and 4.5 watt variations which are not used in MacBook Pros. Coffee Lake on the other hand, will come in the 28 watt and 45 watt variations that the Macbook pro uses, but that's not until mid 2018.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-cannon-lake-late-2017-coffee/

People "waiting for Cannon Lake" are waiting for a train that's never coming. Awful long wait for Coffee Lake. Kaby Lake will be a marginal improvement over Skylake and you will still be stuck with a maximum 16 GB of RAM due to the low power RAM requirement that Apple has set for MacBook Pros.

Long story short, waiting around for a big upgrade is going to lead to a lot of disappointment. Nothing big's coming for at least two years.
But it'll be a big upgrade for those 13" MBP users right? Since KabyLake is supposedly boost Intel Iris GPU performance?
 
I hear this a lot, I just don't see the use case? Why am I watching 4k Netflix on a laptop that lacks a 4k screen? Is this for PLEX, like streaming to a Roku or something?

The MBP screen is higher than 1080P, Also playing 4K video will still look better on a lower resolution screen because of the higher bitrate. Also even if you are watching 10 Bit HEVC or VP9 it wil still be decoded in software on skylake.


Trust me, you really dont want to software decode video. Go watch youtube now on anything older than skylake and look at your CPU usage. Youtube is doing a software decode on anything that doesnt hardware decode VP9 8 bit. 4K blu ray and 4k netflix are all 10 Bit + HDR

Skylake will hardware decode 8 bit HEVC and VP9 but not 10Bit (which will be the standard)
 
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I guess, personally seems like too minor of a use case / thing to matter. But perhaps for you its different
 
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I returned my 2016 MacBook Pro with function keys today (surprisingly wasn't the first to do so).

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/01/future-macbooks-oled-displays/

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/31/macbooks-2017-price-cuts-32gb-ram/

Y'all from Skylake know me, I've always wanted OLED. I can't give up now.

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Most any phd student/scientist/data scientist working in data hungry fields have need for 32GB RAM (or more)
You know it. Just stared training a model on 5,000,000 row subset of data.
If you're serious about those calculations, you'd probably want a dedicated compute server and work remote from MBP. CPU-heavy stuff runs > 10 times faster than MBP on a $3k server, and GPU-heavy stuff like machine learning doesn't even run on MBPs. Also when you do run out of RAM, paging on SSD these days is so insanely fast that the performance impact is pretty negligible. I'm doing very fine on a 8 GB ram MBP crunching 700 GB of data (on the server over SSH, ofc).

I do agree that 32 GB should be offered because people like bigger numbers, but can't really see a use case where you'd actually absolutely need that much RAM on a laptop.. Your CPU/GPUs are too weak for using all that RAM.
 
If you're serious about those calculations, you'd probably want a dedicated compute server and work remote from MBP. CPU-heavy stuff runs > 10 times faster than MBP on a $3k server, and GPU-heavy stuff like machine learning doesn't even run on MBPs. Also when you do run out of RAM, paging on SSD these days is so insanely fast that the performance impact is pretty negligible. I'm doing very fine on a 8 GB ram MBP crunching 700 GB of data (on the server over SSH, ofc).

I do agree that 32 GB should be offered because people like bigger numbers, but can't really see a use case where you'd actually absolutely need that much RAM on a laptop.. Your CPU/GPUs are too weak for using all that RAM.

And God came from down high and spoke, "the first arbitrary number of 16 is all one needs, the doubling of such a number is in excess and is to be shunned"

Really a very absurd comment that no one needs 32 gigs
 
If you're serious about those calculations, you'd probably want a dedicated compute server and work remote from MBP. CPU-heavy stuff runs > 10 times faster than MBP on a $3k server, and GPU-heavy stuff like machine learning doesn't even run on MBPs. Also when you do run out of RAM, paging on SSD these days is so insanely fast that the performance impact is pretty negligible. I'm doing very fine on a 8 GB ram MBP crunching 700 GB of data (on the server over SSH, ofc).

I do agree that 32 GB should be offered because people like bigger numbers, but can't really see a use case where you'd actually absolutely need that much RAM on a laptop.. Your CPU/GPUs are too weak for using all that RAM.
I think you posted something similar a week or more ago? Anyone with a mind would SSH into a server or workstation designed/built for that purpose. I've heard of genetics PH.D students tunneling into workstations capable of addressing 1 TB of RAM or more to do their sequencing work. ECC RAM, that is, so there's no oopsies along the way.
 
And God came from down high and spoke, "the first arbitrary number of 16 is all one needs, the doubling of such a number is in excess and is to be shunned"

Really a very absurd comment that no one needs 32 gigs

Dude get a Mac Pro that can handle 128 GB of RAM and be done with it... All this wanting to do everything on a laptop is so insane. "But I can't load my simulation of the Universe on my MacBook it only has 16 GB's RAM and it's only 64 Bit... I need a 1024 bit computer with 1 TB of RAM, then I will have the Laptop I need..."

All I can say is 3000MB/s SSD speed WOW... Optane will be here shortly... soon we won't even have RAM...

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/non-volatile-memory.html

PEACE OUT...
 
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I returned my 2016 MacBook Pro with function keys today (surprisingly wasn't the first to do so).

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/01/future-macbooks-oled-displays/

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/31/macbooks-2017-price-cuts-32gb-ram/

Y'all from Skylake know me, I've always wanted OLED. I can't give up now.

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Don't know if you're serious but I certainly cancelled my preorder. Shelling out $3300 for a top end 15" with so many tradeoffs just didn't sit right with me. It's not like I'm dying with my 2012 retina macbook pro. I can wait another year or two.
 
Each iteration of technology is better than the last and also never gives you what you want. Waiting for the next best thing has never ever panned out. Buy when you need has always and will always apply.

Ach... I literally call ******** on this. There are EXACTLY the right times to buy computers and there are BAD times. Generally whenever there is a big change going to happen... it's worth waiting. It doesn't happen often, but when it does...
Lemme give you a few examples when it makes sense to wait.

- In 2005 when the Mac switch to Intel was announced... despite Jobs saying the G5 has A LOT of life left... every sane person was NOT buying iBooks or PowerBooks or iMacs anymore... but waited for the Intel CPUs to drop. Aaaaand good call the Gx machines only received one more OS update and where obsolete within 2 years. While the Intel ones kept chugging along for twice that many years.

- 2010 for 15"/17" MBP users... if you followed Intel's Roadmap back then it was kinda obvious that Apple would sooner or later adopt Quad Cores CPUs for the 15"/17" MBPs, as Sandy Bridge finally saw 45W Quad Cores with good enough speed. At that time in early 2011 it still came a bit as a surprise... (hadn't expected them in a couple of months). But THIS was the time to buy then. 15"/17" w/ Quad Core okay to good GPUs and the new Thunderbolt connector. Case in point I'm STILL rocking my early 2011 17" MBP. Why? Because the 2.2GHz Quad Core CPU is still only marginally slower than the newer ones. I don't game anymore on the machine... so the GPU is still okay for Final Cut and Photoshop etc. It has 16GB Ram just like the 2016 MBPs which is laughable. And while it's SSD is not hitting 3GB/s it's still doing mighty fine.
Had I bought my machine in 2010... with Dual Core i7... it would have had to be replaced YEARS ago.

- For MBP users 2016 (2017):
The Skylake Update for MBP users was the one to wait for. CPU and GPU improvements were obvious. A redesign almost a certainty... and USB-C and TB3 were looming. Now it just didn't 100% pan out for everyone, me included.
We all know why some poeple are pissed off right now... I don't have to repeat this. Still this was the MBP to wait for. For those wanting 32GB of Ram or a lower price... it'll be the next one.

- For iMac Users 2016/2017:
Same as above... minus maybe the complete redesign.
iMac folks also had GREAT upgrade windows when the 5k was released... or when the price of the 5k was dropped.
for the 21" iMac... is was a complete NO-BUY with 1080p display... as a 4k display was looming. When that was released BUY. Unless, again, you want prices to come down.

Rinse and repeat.
As with Apple... since their prices generally don't change WITHIN one generation, it is always worth it to buy AS SOON as an update drops. Because until the next update the price won't change.
Or... find good deals on the previous ones... if you are all about the money.
As for RIGHT RIGHT NOW... the new MBPs won't ship for another couple weeks... smart folks who don't need the machine ASAP... will wait for Black Friday. Most likely you'll be able to save a couple hundred bucks on these machines already or at least (if you buy directly from Apple) get an iTunes Giftcard or something.

So ya... unless you REALLY need a new computer... because yours just broke down... there in fact ARE right moments and wrong moments to buy. The 'buy when you need one' is utter ********... especially because most folks here... don't ONLY buy when the old one is broken... but rather when they WANT to upgrade. They then don't "HAVE TO" upgrade... but "want to". Big difference...
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Oh, so this is the thread to be!
I like how the mess of Intel updating made unclear the next CPU upgrade.
At least we were waiting for something precise, The_Skylake.
Now we have no clue about the upcoming Intel architecture!
Yay!


Let's gooooo!



Our threads was better.
:p


Welcome aboard WRONG. Good to see you here... and keep us all entertained. A "Waiting for…" thread wouldn't be the same w/o you!

btw... it became messy towards the end and I stopped reading...
so you're not getting a new MBP now right?... Hence your move to this thread. Am I correct?
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I thought I'd leave this here, to put things into perspective a little bit:

What happens if a Company goes for Performance and upgradeability before thin & light in an 13" Laptop that's potentially a mobile Workstation? This...

OLED Screen optional (100% Adobe RGB), nearly 4K
metallic (actual steel) keys on keyboard, 2mm travel traditional keys (not chiclet)
up to 32 GB Ram, Killer Wifi, 2x M2 SSDs - ALL user-upgradeable
Quadcore Skylake 6700 CPU
NVIDIA GTX 1060
runs Battlefield 1 MAXED on Ultra Settings in Full HD at around 85 FPS!!

And yes admittedly, the trackpad is crap, the whole Thing is a gaming Laptop,
BUT given the stats and the pricetag, I'm surprised it's still closer to thin than to fat and yes the battery life might suck,
but It'd be perfect for us Folks moving it only between 2 places... home and work for example.

Here it is:

I'd so love a powerful Macbook Pro with similar stats, even if it's the same thickness.
In my book we're SO off target. Thin and light could be the normal macbook, but the PROs Need POWER.

Emphasis mine.

Oh god... I could NOT agree with you more.
The battery should be decent... but it doesn't have to be all day or anything. I don't even think SO many people are working on the actual go... but also rather home ↔︎ work or at different places like a hotel room or whatever... where there is also an outlet. Plus... now with USB-C... it's darn easy. Just drop a battery pack. Apple battery pack 100Whrs sell it for $250 for people that want it.
A pro should be pro not just by name...
 
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With the onset of 4K. getting a skylake macbook pro would only result in a better screen for me. My 2013 i7 8GB 512GB MBA is fine atm, (I just wish I had a retina screen.)
However Skylake is NOT ready for 4K video (yes I know it can do a software decode, however thats a waste of battery and other problems with that I'll get to).

Sony has already announced they will support 4K on PCs on Kaby Lake and above. This is due to some hardware DRM that Intel will be implementing. Kaby Lake also will be able to decode 4K 10 bit HEVC completely in hardware (barley any power usage). It also will support 10 bit VP9

However there is another problem with HEVC and VP9, HEVC is a mess with its royalties and licensing, VP9 doesnt have that great of a compression level compared to HEVC.

Enter the Alliance for Open Media. http://aomedia.org/ . This group is backed by Google, Netflix, Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, and a whole number of big names to bring a royalty-free open media codec that is even better than HEVC. I believe Netflix will not support 4K on PCs with anything other than this new codec and Kaby Lake's DRM features.
Hopefully since Intel is involved with this new codec it will be fully decoded in hardware in Coffee Lake/ CannonLake.

If you dont need a new mac RIGHT NOW. Please wait, h.264 is on its way out and you dont want to be left behind or having to software-decode video.

No matter if Skylake does not manage the hardware encryption as through polaris graphics card is handled in hardware encoding the HEVC. what would be the limit?
 
Why are People complaining about skylake not decoding 4k men you get a polaris chip that does the job? Do not understand?

If you want a 15 inch mac, the only gain kaby lake will give is more batterylife:)
 
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