Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)

[cadaolio]

Moreover Kaby lake as well as coffee lake would be an interim solution without concrete benefits up to the cannonlake..wait..wait..uselessly

 

[2457248]

- 2010 for 15"/17" MBP users... if you followed Intel's Roadmap back then it was kinda obvious that Apple would sooner or later adopt Quad Cores CPUs for the 15"/17" MBPs, as Sandy Bridge finally saw 45W Quad Cores with good enough speed. At that time in early 2011 it still came a bit as a surprise... (hadn't expected them in a couple of months). But THIS was the time to buy then. 15"/17" w/ Quad Core okay to good GPUs and the new Thunderbolt connector. Case in point I'm STILL rocking my early 2011 17" MBP. Why? Because the 2.2GHz Quad Core CPU is still only marginally slower than the newer ones. I don't game anymore on the machine... so the GPU is still okay for Final Cut and Photoshop etc. It has 16GB Ram just like the 2016 MBPs which is laughable. And while it's SSD is not hitting 3GB/s it's still doing mighty fine.
Had I bought my machine in 2010... with Dual Core i7... it would have had to be replaced YEARS ago.

i HAD to buy the 2010mbp right after my previous macbook broke, damn i was kind of pissed.
the 2011 model had:
4core vs. 2core
usb 3.0 vs usb 2.0 (moving data from an external hd is so damn slow!)
sata3 vs sata2 (max 250MB/s from the ssd)
max 16GB ram vs. 8GB
but let's not forget the infamous AMD gpu curse with the 2011 ones

 

[TheralSadurns]

i HAD to buy the 2010mbp right after my previous macbook broke, damn i was kind of pissed.
the 2011 model had:
4core vs. 2core
usb 3.0 vs usb 2.0 (moving data from an external hd is so damn slow!)
sata3 vs sata2 (max 250MB/s from the ssd)
max 16GB ram vs. 8GB
but let's not forget the infamous AMD gpu curse with the 2011 ones

I'm sorry for you

But... and that'll make you feel better maybe:
they also only have USB 2.0...sadly.
And, at least early 2011 models, have sata3 only on the HDD, the SuperDrive is still SATA2... which makes Dual SSD not such a good idea.

And AMD... yaaaaa... after 14months I had my MBP die on me. Thank god I had an extended warranty (because back then Apple didn't offer a free fix). Then after a new Logic Board... the SAME THING happened 2 weeks later.

So ya... I guess not everything was peaches and gravy initially

 

[2457248]

I'm sorry for you

But... and that'll make you feel better maybe:
they also only have USB 2.0...sadly.
And, at least early 2011 models, have sata3 only on the HDD, the SuperDrive is still SATA2... which makes Dual SSD not such a good idea.

And AMD... yaaaaa... after 14months I had my MBP die on me. Thank god I had an extended warranty (because back then Apple didn't offer a free fix). Then after a new Logic Board... the SAME THING happened 2 weeks later.

So ya... I guess not everything was peaches and gravy initially

Two weeks?? were you trying to set a record or what?!
ah, i didn't know the 2011 still had only usb2.0..

 

[cadaolio]

unfortunately the mbp have always suffered from overheating problems regardless of the chips used and are not even exempt the notebook PC, the same for imac etc .. it is true that there are components that have a poor quality to me with a mac mini 2 well sometimes the dVD burner replaced in part by paying and still does not work .. bad luck? I do not think so. this time apple with the choice of exclusively polaris chips have wanted to get maximum results with minimum expense, unfortunate that there is too much rise in the sale to the end user

 

[rezwits]

Ach... I literally call ******** on this. There are EXACTLY the right times to buy computers and there are BAD times. Generally whenever there is a big change going to happen... it's worth waiting. It doesn't happen often, but when it does...
Lemme give you a few examples when it makes sense to wait.

- In 2005 when the Mac switch to Intel was announced... despite Jobs saying the G5 has A LOT of life left... every sane person was NOT buying iBooks or PowerBooks or iMacs anymore... but waited for the Intel CPUs to drop. Aaaaand good call the Gx machines only received one more OS update and where obsolete within 2 years. While the Intel ones kept chugging along for twice that many years.

- 2010 for 15"/17" MBP users... if you followed Intel's Roadmap back then it was kinda obvious that Apple would sooner or later adopt Quad Cores CPUs for the 15"/17" MBPs, as Sandy Bridge finally saw 45W Quad Cores with good enough speed. At that time in early 2011 it still came a bit as a surprise... (hadn't expected them in a couple of months). But THIS was the time to buy then. 15"/17" w/ Quad Core okay to good GPUs and the new Thunderbolt connector. Case in point I'm STILL rocking my early 2011 17" MBP. Why? Because the 2.2GHz Quad Core CPU is still only marginally slower than the newer ones. I don't game anymore on the machine... so the GPU is still okay for Final Cut and Photoshop etc. It has 16GB Ram just like the 2016 MBPs which is laughable. And while it's SSD is not hitting 3GB/s it's still doing mighty fine.
Had I bought my machine in 2010... with Dual Core i7... it would have had to be replaced YEARS ago.

- For MBP users 2016 (2017):
The Skylake Update for MBP users was the one to wait for. CPU and GPU improvements were obvious. A redesign almost a certainty... and USB-C and TB3 were looming. Now it just didn't 100% pan out for everyone, me included.
We all know why some poeple are pissed off right now... I don't have to repeat this. Still this was the MBP to wait for. For those wanting 32GB of Ram or a lower price... it'll be the next one.

- For iMac Users 2016/2017:
Same as above... minus maybe the complete redesign.
iMac folks also had GREAT upgrade windows when the 5k was released... or when the price of the 5k was dropped.
for the 21" iMac... is was a complete NO-BUY with 1080p display... as a 4k display was looming. When that was released BUY. Unless, again, you want prices to come down.

Rinse and repeat.
As with Apple... since their prices generally don't change WITHIN one generation, it is always worth it to buy AS SOON as an update drops. Because until the next update the price won't change.
Or... find good deals on the previous ones... if you are all about the money.
As for RIGHT RIGHT NOW... the new MBPs won't ship for another couple weeks... smart folks who don't need the machine ASAP... will wait for Black Friday. Most likely you'll be able to save a couple hundred bucks on these machines already or at least (if you buy directly from Apple) get an iTunes Giftcard or something.

So ya... unless you REALLY need a new computer... because yours just broke down... there in fact ARE right moments and wrong moments to buy. The 'buy when you need one' is utter ********... especially because most folks here... don't ONLY buy when the old one is broken... but rather when they WANT to upgrade. They then don't "HAVE TO" upgrade... but "want to". Big difference...
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Welcome aboard WRONG. Good to see you here... and keep us all entertained. A "Waiting for…" thread wouldn't be the same w/o you!

btw... it became messy towards the end and I stopped reading...
so you're not getting a new MBP now right?... Hence your move to this thread. Am I correct?
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Emphasis mine.

Oh god... I could NOT agree with you more.
The battery should be decent... but it doesn't have to be all day or anything. I don't even think SO many people are working on the actual go... but also rather home ↔︎ work or at different places like a hotel room or whatever... where there is also an outlet. Plus... now with USB-C... it's darn easy. Just drop a battery pack. Apple battery pack 100Whrs sell it for $250 for people that want it.
A pro should be pro not just by name...

Great post my sentiments exactly on 90% of this. Timing...so important...

One of my things that people just don't understand is, this is not your 1990-2000s Apple. Back in the day when a NEW MAC HIT, that was IT. The other ones were GONE! You just couldn't get them, the stock was dry, places like Ingram Micro were OUT, and that was all they were gone.

This MacBook Pro 15" 2016 is sooo ahead of it's time. I mean seriously this has got to be the most EARLY ADOPTER MAC, I have freakin ever seen. See people look back at the 2015 model, and go "oh but it's 3 year old technology, blah blah blah" But what the new Apple is giving us is Future Proofing. If you don't like the dongles yet then get a '15/15" And you can even get like a 2014 MacBook Pro, you could NEVER do that before. So if you aren't ready for TB3/USB Type-C everything, then just hold off.... (or even the keyboard)

But in 2-3 years when you look at this form factor you are NOT going to say, "I am not going to buy this piece, it's so 3 years old tech" It won't be, Apple gutted this form factor and stripped away tons of excess and said OK ALL Type-C TB3/USB3, we're out.

I mean we just can't really get into how SICK these are gonna be when EVERYTHING is Type-C in like 3 years...

4 Type-C Ports 4! I mean you can plug in 2 monitors and you still have 2 Type-C left AND you are powering your laptop still... that's pretty nasty. So much double duty.

Little things like L adapters that can rotate 180° and just Type-C being reversible on it's own is just gonna make people in the end, that once a day plugging in stupidity so happy...

They are 2-3 years ahead of where they need to be, but like I said we are still going to be able to BUY 2015 machines probably up until at least June 2017... It's totally different now days.

And get this, I said a while back they might release a Mac Pro with 10 Type-C! Could you imagine that BEAST!

I mean that thing, holy $#!+ that thing could EAT 4K for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. 1 Hour of a 4K/60 videos at 2.5 TBs in size, takes 20 minutes to transfer from a camera...

That's productivity for THEM, but see are we going to take advantage of that? Nope... I have a full studio, and do 720p editing and audio DONE... I don't care... youtube live streaming for fun videos for my future, so I'm ok, but if you want 4K60p...

Even the Mac Pro will be ridiculous! And get YELLED at by people, because it's just not for them...

So yeah Timing, Early Adopters, do you or don't you need this or that etc...you gotta choose wisely like that one dudes' avatar from the Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, choose wisely... and we'll see when we get there...

 

[The Mercurian]

If you're serious about those calculations, you'd probably want a dedicated compute server and work remote from MBP. CPU-heavy stuff runs > 10 times faster than MBP on a $3k server, and GPU-heavy stuff like machine learning doesn't even run on MBPs. Also when you do run out of RAM, paging on SSD these days is so insanely fast that the performance impact is pretty negligible. I'm doing very fine on a 8 GB ram MBP crunching 700 GB of data (on the server over SSH, ofc).

I do agree that 32 GB should be offered because people like bigger numbers, but can't really see a use case where you'd actually absolutely need that much RAM on a laptop.. Your CPU/GPUs are too weak for using all that RAM.

No I don't want a server. I want to run it locally for various reasons. Also many of the statistical programs don't allow for disk swapping and simply crash if you hit the RAM limit.

Their are LOTS of other use cases exampled on the thread about it: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...y-life-concerns.2010291/page-30#post-23842931

 

[Meicyn]

But it'll be a big upgrade for those 13" MBP users right? Since KabyLake is supposedly boost Intel Iris GPU performance?

That's a good point actually, since my statement is from the perspective of a 15" MBP purchase. For the 13", Kaby Lake would be a noticeable difference. You get the slightly stronger GPU, but more importantly, you also get the built-in HEVC hardware encoding/decoding capability that Skylake lacks. 4K video isn't a big deal right now, but it will be soon enough.

 

[AdonisSMU]

Zero chance. Cannon Lake comes in 15 watt and 4.5 watt variations which are not used in MacBook Pros. Coffee Lake on the other hand, will come in the 28 watt and 45 watt variations that the Macbook pro uses, but that's not until mid 2018.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-cannon-lake-late-2017-coffee/

People "waiting for Cannon Lake" are waiting for a train that's never coming. Awful long wait for Coffee Lake. Kaby Lake will be a marginal improvement over Skylake and you will still be stuck with a maximum 16 GB of RAM due to the low power RAM requirement that Apple has set for MacBook Pros.

Long story short, waiting around for a big upgrade is going to lead to a lot of disappointment. Nothing big's coming for at least two years.

People hear pundits and others throw around names etc and they think that it's already available when its clear none of this stuff will be ready for a good long while. They are better off just buying the available options that exist right now or waiting another two years until the technology can catch up to people's unrealistic expectations.

 

[WRONG]

I just completely gave up on trying to understand the differences by now. Skylake still incoming, Kaby Lake already incoming, some other lakes are in or out by now? I actually like how Apple go for "2,0‑GHz dual‑core Intel Core i5" on their specifications page, smart way to ensure nobody knows for sure what's in there. I looked at MBP page, specs page and order page on Dutch Apple website. It doesn't even mention "the 6th generation" or "the latest generation". Just 2,0 GHz i5.

Yeah, Apple didn't ever clearly stated that, but with a little of research you can identify the CPU model.
Apple is cunning!

This is our thread now friend! *pours drinks*

Let's get comfortable!
Can't wait to see those Whiskey Lake incoming.

Welcome aboard WRONG. Good to see you here... and keep us all entertained. A "Waiting for…" thread wouldn't be the same w/o you!

btw... it became messy towards the end and I stopped reading...

so you're not getting a new MBP now right?... Hence your move to this thread. Am I correct?

Thanks!
I'll do my best, interesting threads are more entertaining when funny!

Actually I'm uncertain what to do, probably I'll go with this new MBP as my good ol' boy can't last anymore and I can't wait one year more. But I want to wait for a little bit of reviews.
But that's no a sufficient reason to make me not join you on another crazy-waiting thread!


Speaking of other things, sometimes I start doubting about Ming Chi Kuo reliability...

May 23, 2016
"While long overlooked, the MacBook line is the brightest spot for Apple’s 2016 rollouts. This is particularly true of the two new MacBook Pro models, to be introduced in 4Q16"

October 31, 2016
"Ming Chi Kuo: Demand for new MacBook Pro models tepid due to high prices, disappointing specs"

Decide yourself, Ming!

 

[EnesM]

Why are People complaining about skylake not decoding 4k men you get a polaris chip that does the job? Do not understand?

If you want a 15 inch mac, the only gain kaby lake will give is more batterylife

My worry is output to a 4K TV which only has HDMI inputs. Now, have a look at this article:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10642/hdmi-alt-mode-for-usb-typec-announced

"Digging into the announcement, it’s interesting to note that the alt mode specification is for HDMI 1.4b, and not HDMI 2.0, which means that the maximum resolution with full chroma subsampling is 4Kp30. The latter 2.0 specification uses the same pins, just at a higher data rate, so I’m not sure if there’s some kind of technical limitation in play here, or if the consortium had other reasons to favor 1.4b. Few mobile devices can output 4Kp60 video right now, however laptops with dGPUs are already there, and eventually iGPUs will get there as well. Otherwise the full HDMI feature set is supported, including the audio return channel, CEC, and the Ethernet channel."

I don't how that translates in the real world?

 

[BenTrovato]

Ach... I literally call ******** on this. There are EXACTLY the right times to buy computers and there are BAD times. Generally whenever there is a big change going to happen... it's worth waiting. It doesn't happen often, but when it does...
Lemme give you a few examples when it makes sense to wait.

- In 2005 when the Mac switch to Intel was announced... despite Jobs saying the G5 has A LOT of life left... every sane person was NOT buying iBooks or PowerBooks or iMacs anymore... but waited for the Intel CPUs to drop. Aaaaand good call the Gx machines only received one more OS update and where obsolete within 2 years. While the Intel ones kept chugging along for twice that many years.

- 2010 for 15"/17" MBP users... if you followed Intel's Roadmap back then it was kinda obvious that Apple would sooner or later adopt Quad Cores CPUs for the 15"/17" MBPs, as Sandy Bridge finally saw 45W Quad Cores with good enough speed. At that time in early 2011 it still came a bit as a surprise... (hadn't expected them in a couple of months). But THIS was the time to buy then. 15"/17" w/ Quad Core okay to good GPUs and the new Thunderbolt connector. Case in point I'm STILL rocking my early 2011 17" MBP. Why? Because the 2.2GHz Quad Core CPU is still only marginally slower than the newer ones. I don't game anymore on the machine... so the GPU is still okay for Final Cut and Photoshop etc. It has 16GB Ram just like the 2016 MBPs which is laughable. And while it's SSD is not hitting 3GB/s it's still doing mighty fine.
Had I bought my machine in 2010... with Dual Core i7... it would have had to be replaced YEARS ago.

- For MBP users 2016 (2017):
The Skylake Update for MBP users was the one to wait for. CPU and GPU improvements were obvious. A redesign almost a certainty... and USB-C and TB3 were looming. Now it just didn't 100% pan out for everyone, me included.
We all know why some poeple are pissed off right now... I don't have to repeat this. Still this was the MBP to wait for. For those wanting 32GB of Ram or a lower price... it'll be the next one.

- For iMac Users 2016/2017:
Same as above... minus maybe the complete redesign.
iMac folks also had GREAT upgrade windows when the 5k was released... or when the price of the 5k was dropped.
for the 21" iMac... is was a complete NO-BUY with 1080p display... as a 4k display was looming. When that was released BUY. Unless, again, you want prices to come down.

Rinse and repeat.
As with Apple... since their prices generally don't change WITHIN one generation, it is always worth it to buy AS SOON as an update drops. Because until the next update the price won't change.
Or... find good deals on the previous ones... if you are all about the money.
As for RIGHT RIGHT NOW... the new MBPs won't ship for another couple weeks... smart folks who don't need the machine ASAP... will wait for Black Friday. Most likely you'll be able to save a couple hundred bucks on these machines already or at least (if you buy directly from Apple) get an iTunes Giftcard or something.

So ya... unless you REALLY need a new computer... because yours just broke down... there in fact ARE right moments and wrong moments to buy. The 'buy when you need one' is utter ********... especially because most folks here... don't ONLY buy when the old one is broken... but rather when they WANT to upgrade. They then don't "HAVE TO" upgrade... but "want to". Big difference...
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Welcome aboard WRONG. Good to see you here... and keep us all entertained. A "Waiting for…" thread wouldn't be the same w/o you!

btw... it became messy towards the end and I stopped reading...
so you're not getting a new MBP now right?... Hence your move to this thread. Am I correct?
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Emphasis mine.

Oh god... I could NOT agree with you more.
The battery should be decent... but it doesn't have to be all day or anything. I don't even think SO many people are working on the actual go... but also rather home ↔︎ work or at different places like a hotel room or whatever... where there is also an outlet. Plus... now with USB-C... it's darn easy. Just drop a battery pack. Apple battery pack 100Whrs sell it for $250 for people that want it.
A pro should be pro not just by name...

Great thought out points except for one flaw. The buy when you need doesn't apply to you. I run a business, the business makes me money. If I need a laptop today, I buy one today. No matter what advancements that come in technology, the waiting does not outweigh the benefit I get from getting the technology now, when I need it. If I needed an iMac when 5k was looming, the price difference is paltry in what I would earn versus waiting. That's the difference between needing it now and not needing it now.

Likewise if you are in school, work, etc. If you need it now to get your work done, waiting for what's next isn't better as your productivity suffers - and for what? A thousand dollars? The buy when you need is not utter ******** as you call it. Your philosophy is great and applies if you can afford to wait. If you have that luxury, by all means jump in at the "right" time (as you define right relating to technology). To think everyone has that luxury, is a bit unrealistic.

 

[AustinIllini]

I'm waiting for Tiger Lake

 

[Bootleg Gucci]

Any guesses as to how much gift card money that Apple Recycling program would give if one traded in a 2016 MBP 15" Touchbar ($2799 config) to get a 2017 MBP 15" with 32GB next year? LOL, it would be shameless if they offered like $1K or less for 1 year depreciation (and mint condition use).

 

[cadaolio]

My worry is output to a 4K TV which only has HDMI inputs. Now, have a look at this article:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10642/hdmi-alt-mode-for-usb-typec-announced

"Digging into the announcement, it’s interesting to note that the alt mode specification is for HDMI 1.4b, and not HDMI 2.0, which means that the maximum resolution with full chroma subsampling is 4Kp30. The latter 2.0 specification uses the same pins, just at a higher data rate, so I’m not sure if there’s some kind of technical limitation in play here, or if the consortium had other reasons to favor 1.4b. Few mobile devices can output 4Kp60 video right now, however laptops with dGPUs are already there, and eventually iGPUs will get there as well. Otherwise the full HDMI feature set is supported, including the audio return channel, CEC, and the Ethernet channel."

I don't how that translates in the real world?

with this you can connect mbp to hdmi 2.0 (4k60hz)

https://www.amazon.com/Ableconn-USBC-HDPD-USB-C-Charging-Adapter/dp/B01D97IZA2/
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Any guesses as to how much gift card money that Apple Recycling program would give if one traded in a 2016 MBP 15" Touchbar ($2799 config) to get a 2017 MBP 15" with 32GB next year? LOL, it would be shameless if they offered like $1K or less for 1 year depreciation (and mint condition use).

it can be assumed minimal impairment, as now is the case with the 2015 models Alternatively there is a private market where I believe a mbp will always be able to sell without losing its value

 

[EnesM]

with this you can connect mbp to hdmi 2.0 (4k60hz)

https://www.amazon.com/Ableconn-USBC-HDPD-USB-C-Charging-Adapter/dp/B01D97IZA2/

Does it output full chroma subsampling, no mention of it.

 

[ConnorMcJeebus]

October 31, 2016
"Ming Chi Kuo: Demand for new MacBook Pro models tepid due to high prices, disappointing specs"

Decide yourself, Ming!

The last article by MCK is interesting because it makes it seem as though there are no Skylake chipsets that Apple could have chosen to have 32 GB of RAM capacity. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are adequate Skylake chips for 32 GB, aren't there (e.g. i7 - 6700HQ)? It seems Apple wanted thinness and less weight instead.

 

[EnesM]

I'm waiting for Tiger Lake

I'm waiting for Last Lake

 

[xmonkey]

Moreover Kaby lake as well as coffee lake would be an interim solution without concrete benefits up to the cannonlake..wait..wait..uselessly

Coffee Lake and Cannonlake complement each other, it's not one replacing the other. Cannonlake is for low-TDP chips, Coffee Lake is for high-TDP chips.

The last article by MCK is interesting because it makes it seem as though there are no Skylake chipsets that Apple could have chosen to have 32 GB of RAM capacity. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are adequate Skylake chips for 32 GB, aren't there (e.g. i7 - 6700HQ)? It seems Apple wanted thinness and less weight instead.

Yes Skylake supports 32GB, but Apple prioritized battery life and wanted to use the LPDDRx variants of RAM. Skylake doesn't support LPDDR4 and I believe (someone can correct me if I'm wrong) that LPDDR3 maxed out at 16GB because they don't make the individual memory chips in high enough density to allow Apple to fit 32GB in the same PCB space as 16GB takes up. I believe Apple would have had to double the amount of RAM chips on the motherboard to get to 32GB and that's an additional hit to battery life (and PCB space) they weren't willing to take.

Whether Apple should have proceeded with these compromises is the subject of all the debate right now, but that's what they decided in aiming for a very thin device.

 

[Bootleg Gucci]

Why are People complaining about skylake not decoding 4k men you get a polaris chip that does the job? Do not understand?

If you want a 15 inch mac, the only gain kaby lake will give is more batterylife

Yeah, I thought the Radeon 460 GPU on the new MBP are Polaris architecture and handle the hardware HEVC encoding/decoding. Is there a power or performance penalty in having the GPU vs the CPU handling the 4K HEVC processing?

 

[Mohamad-pro]

Anyone knows if Kaby Lake H series will support 32GB ram with LP-DDR4 or LP-DDR3 ?

 

[cadaolio]

Does it output full chroma subsampling, no mention of it.

http://club-3d.com/index.php/produc...usb-type-c-to-hdmi-20-uhd-active-adapter.html

look how low explained to understand the standards of HDMI 2.0.
if you want a 4: 4: 4 on 10bit HDMI 2.0 standard does not support it; but this does not depend on macbookpro depends from the standard. Reading the article that you've reported do not know if something will be changed in the future but at present this applies to any computer or device.

 

[EnesM]

http://club-3d.com/index.php/produc...usb-type-c-to-hdmi-20-uhd-active-adapter.html

look how low explained to understand the standards of HDMI 2.0.
if you want a 4: 4: 4 on 10bit HDMI 2.0 standard does not support it; but this does not depend on macbookpro depends from the standard. Reading the article that you've reported do not know if something will be changed in the future but at present this applies to any computer or device.

Yeah, I've seen that a few days ago.

This part is confusing:

So, both of these can support 4:4:4 and 4:2:0 (8bit)?

 

[cadaolio]

Yeah, I've seen that a few days ago.

This part is confusing:
View attachment 669940

So, both of these can support 4:4:4 and 4:2:0 (8bit)?

yes, for 8-bit is ok 4: 4: 4 and 4: 2: 0. that is the standard of hdmi 2.0
although today there are TV 4k 10bit HDR and with Dolby Vision (lg oled)
considers that displays 12-bit as I understand it today did not exist. if you are a purist and want to see more broadly the future considering that in Japan there are already 8k panels, so do not think there's worry

 

[Mighuel]

Anyone knows if Kaby Lake H series will support 32GB ram with LP-DDR4 or LP-DDR3 ?

Someone should correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that only ultra low power Kaby Lake processors (suitable for Macbook or similar) will support LPDDR4 so no 32gb for 15" Macbook Pro even with those chips unless Apple can find a way to keep the battery life around 10 hours with regular DDR4. I'm pretty sure they wont give up that 10 hours easily.