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Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)
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This actually worries me...Apple might not use them if they use up more battery than Skylake. The performance gain might not be worth it to them.
There is a little more to it than the strict X% performance improvement vs Y% power increase. For one, if the performance goes up by more than the power usage, then the efficiency has improved. Also, the graphics do appear to have gotten better (and not just for 4K playback), its just not much (~10%), unlike recent iGPU improvements from intel. What is a lot better is the aforementioned 4K playback is now about 3.5 times more efficient.
One of the draw backs here is that LPDD4 will not be supported on Kaby Lake, so if Apple is truly entrenched in using LPDDR, we're stuck with 16GB until Cannonlake. Now Intel is saying that 2H 2017 is possible for Cannonlake, but only for U/Y processors (so 13" MBP and 12 MB). Cannon lake doesn't hit H processors for the 15 MBP until 2Q 2018. And intel is skipping GT3e on Kaby Lake. So this all leads me to conflicting ideas about if Kabylake will get skipped by Apple.
To summarize:
1) LPDDR4 isn't ready until Cannonlake. So we're stuck at 16GB if we see a Kaby Lake Macbook pro.
2) Cannonlake U/Y will be ready about 1 year from now for 13" MBP/ 12" MB refreshes ahead of 15" MacBook Pros.
3) Kaby Lake won't have the GT3e, but the Skylake MacBook Pros don't use GT3e. This places Apple in a good spot to update to Kaby Lake without dropping the Iris Pro graphics. So this might have been some planning ahead by apple to allow a Kaby Lake refresh without all the angst over losing an iGPU only, IrisPro 15 Macbook Pro.
4) All U/Y/H Kabylakes are supposed to be ready by 2Q 2017.
Together I think this means, we see a small spec bump next summer/fall, the 16 GB RAM limit will remain, but ports, well who knows. With the 4K video push, I think Kaby lake will be too hard to resist, even if its really minor for most people and most users will be doing long running 4K playback when plugged in to power anyway.
Then, it will be late 2018 we see Cannonlake Macbook pros, maybe early/mid 2018 has a Macbook. It will be with Cannonlake that we see the next big jump. LPDDR4 will be out and 32 GB will be an option (even 64 GB should Apple offer it). We might see some implementation of Optane by then too. How? Hell if I know, but its supposedly its hitting the workstation/enthusiast market next year, so high end laptops by the following year doesn't see to far fetched.
Not having 32GB until late 2018, and that assuming there isn't further slippage in the roadmap, does not seem credible to me. They will need to look at maybe not using LPDDR and make the power savings elsewhere, accepting some degree of lower battery performance.
Your wrong, GT3e is here to stay in kaby, and coffee lake. There will be no GT3e cannlonlake but there will be a coffee lake GT3e. Coffee lake is exactly the same architecture as cannonlake, just manufactured on a 14nm process.
There will be a CoffeeLake MBP but no cannonlake MBP. Ice Lake is when we will get the next die shrink for the mbp
You're right on the CoffeeLake vs Cannonlake, somehow I managed to screw that up. Cannon lake is not for H class chips, only CoffeeLake.
However, on the first point, I don't see GT3e on Kaby Lake from recent leaks, only more distant ones. Ie:
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/...-Roadmap-Kaby-Lake-Coffee-Lake-Cannonlake.jpg
And in the text of that article:
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That's what I'd like too and would have liked it with this iteration. I'm just skeptical that they will abandon LPDDR after already choosing it in a DDR4 capable platform this time around.
For all of those waiting, and have currently not bought a MacBook Pro, I have an idea.
An excellent idea, if I may say so myself.
Well the idea is, we collectively agree upon a list of things we want in the next refresh, and then individually e-mail that list to Tim, Phil and Craig. As well as the Apple Feedback Request form.
I'm sure a few hundred e-mails should affect them to a certain subconscious level.
WHO'S DOWN TO DO THIS?
An excellent idea, if I may say so myself.
Well the idea is, we collectively agree upon a list of things we want in the next refresh, and then individually e-mail that list to Tim, Phil and Craig. As well as the Apple Feedback Request form.
I'm sure a few hundred e-mails should affect them to a certain subconscious level.
WHO'S DOWN TO DO THIS?
I wish the Emoji-Hipster Bar was a DONGLE.
A Peripheral you could get ... or not.
God I hate that gimick.
A Peripheral you could get ... or not.
God I hate that gimick.
Is it possible Apple works with Intel on a custom chip or gets an early release the way they did with the first MacBook Air? I remember at that time the Air was the first and only computer with that particular chip, giving Apple quite the advantage.
I don't think a few hundred emails, will have that affect. Apple believes it knows whats best for its customers, and unlike other companies are less flexible in that way. This has suited them many times, but then I think the people making the decisions were folks who worked in the trenches and knew what features made life easier for professionals.
i´m happy with the new mac, i´m not interestet in 7% more cpu performance, i would like to have 32 GB ram, but i can survive i took 1 TB SSD instead <3
love that spacegrey 15"
but i hope apple will update the Mac mini and Mac pro line asap and a Apple display would be nice
i took 1 TB SSD instead <3love that spacegrey 15"
but i hope apple will update the Mac mini and Mac pro line asap and a Apple display would be nice
btw... stupid question... why do you don Mark Gurman's photo and read "Bloomberg News". Isn't that a bit... um... weird...For all of those waiting, and have currently not bought a MacBook Pro, I have an idea.
An excellent idea, if I may say so myself.
Well the idea is, we collectively agree upon a list of things we want in the next refresh, and then individually e-mail that list to Tim, Phil and Craig. As well as the Apple Feedback Request form.
I'm sure a few hundred e-mails should affect them to a certain subconscious level.
WHO'S DOWN TO DO THIS?
In unrelated news... I'd generally agree with you. And I can tell you what I want... and that Phil Schiller is full of **** right now...
I want:
- 32GB Ram! (Make the case and battery thicker... and NO-LP Ram is NOT gonna be an issue!)
- 4k display (I want 1920x1200p @2x in a non-scaled fashion!)
- HDMI 2.0 (USB-C is NOT going to replace HDMI. TVs WILL keep it. And so will many places where projectors or TVs are installed. There you cannot just replace your cable like some ppl have suggested. Cables are fixed... you HAVE to use them.)
- SD Card Slot (oh and... Phil... if you build it like ALL THE OTHER manufacturers it won't even stick out, but be spring loaded and flush with the case)
- MagSafe!
(- USB-A... if you people insist... 1-2 ports would be fine)
(What I basically want is an updated rMBP... or something like an Apple-build Dell XPS 15!)
I think Apple's use of Radeons is the core problem now, not their tardy CPU uptake. The new Nvidia 10 series cards seem such a mammoth leap forward from their 9 series, that in 2 years time, MacBook Pros aren't just going to have mediocre graphical grunt compared to the rest of the industry, they're going to be orders of magnitude worse.
Once again. The Only Nvidia GPU that is able to fit in 35W is the heavily under clocked GTX 1050 Ti. At the core clocks required to maintain in 35W thermal envelope it will not be faster than Radeon Pro 460.
I look at benchmarks from Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare 1080p/Ultra settings. Radeon RX 460 is 10% slower than GTX 1050 Ti. So full Polaris 11, would be exactly on par with GTX 1050 Ti. Maybe faster because of order of magnitude higher amount of cores(896 vs 1024 = 128 core difference. 12.5% in performance).
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Well yes, but I was referring to the much broader basket of design choices Apple has made that makes that necessary. The opportunity cost on 2mm of thickness and 2.5 hours of battery life is becoming increasingly indefensible.
Exactly that. That's exactly what I use my MacBook Pro for. VM's, lots of them, testing environments, all the time, and *yes* I do have a server for this as well (VMWare ESXi 6), I just have certain things I can't put there or I need 24/7, etc.
I'm mobile a lot so weight and portability matter to me, but I need lots of power for what I do, GPU is less important than CPU and RAM to me, I'd have loved if there were a non-dGPU version like there was previously, unfortunately there is not :/
Its to throw off naive people into thinking that I'm Mark Gurman...and trust me it's worked.
It's all for the LOLS.
Where is everyone? Where did all the Waiting For Skylake thread people go?
OH MY GOD... IT'S YOU... GERALD!!!
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Was waiting for Skylake... now I'm gonna be here for another... well...2 YEARS I guess.
Damn that DOES sound awful if you say it out loud.
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