Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)

[karbim]

@ricky1989 I'm still with my 15" 2.2Ghz i7 2011. So I really get your points. However, there are technical constraints imposed from Intel and AMD that wishful thinking will not take away from the equation.

Q: How do you put 32Gb of RAM with a processor (Skylake) that doesn't support 32Gb of RAM??

 

[ricky1989]

@karbim Granted, and we have to face the fact that this is the laptop that is being offered by Apple. I will continue to squeeze life out of my 2011 mbp (really annoyed by its weight) and hopefully there will be an update in 6months time.

 

[2457248]

And Kaby Lake is not going to be any better. No need to wait, as already said before. Unless you're waiting on Cannonlake, and even then you'll get 5%. Maybe 10% performance boost. 3 years wait? Good luck!

at least i'm still on a dual core, so that's where my gains lie!
hoping for a quad core cannonlake on 13". i can wait a few years still

 

[littlepud]

IMHO the real wait will be for an Optane-base MacBook Pro. I decided to get a fully-loaded 2015 refurb for $3000 CAD to ride me over until then.

 

[ricky1989]

As I want best of both world (portability & performance), probably just going to wait until a 13" which spots a decent enough CPU (kaby/ cannonlake?) and pair use pair it up with an eGPU for extra push. This is the future in personal computers as IOs are getting increasingly faster, while CPU improvement is rather stagnant.

 

[Stephen Valente]

I'd take the 13" model as a compromise if it came with a quad core processor. Not sure why Apple couldn't do this?

 

[Good User Name]

Well, no actually my rMBP 2015 has all the ports I need...that's kinda the point... The 2016 is kinda like they stripped all the ports aways and said if you want them get a dock... which is kinda backwards but future forward, if you want the ports without a dock and external power supply for the dock, you just get a 2015...

If you're not looking for the advances that the 2016 MBPs are offering then you're right to stick with what you've got currently.

 

[monkeydax]

I'd take the 13" model as a compromise if it came with a quad core processor. Not sure why Apple couldn't do this?

The power requirements of a quad core would make battery life unacceptable unless they...yes, like many people said, stuck to having a larger footprint.

 

[Investor27]

The power requirements of a quad core would make battery life unacceptable unless they...yes, like many people said, stuck to having a larger footprint.

Not to mention thermal management. It wouldn't be feasible to have a quad-core in the 13" Pro chassis.

 

[Stephen Valente]

Not to mention thermal management. It wouldn't be feasible to have a quad-core in the 13" Pro chassis.

Tim Cook was an engineer, maybe he could find a solution ;-)

Your comments obviously make sense. Shame. Still cannot for the life of me understand why Apple think they can markup their laptops so much over the PC equivalents. I prefer OS X to Windows 10, but the Apple hardware is not 3 times as expensive to produce.

Let's face it, if the MacBook Pro 15" had come in at £1999, plus a bit of exchange rate fiddling to con UK buyers into believing the "Brexit" effect impacted Apple that much, there wouldn't be half as much animosity to USB C and losing the ports from the 2015 model.

Apple need a reality check, and a reminder of how not to pee off your loyal customers, regardless of how good or geeky new features are. The faithful deserted them 30 years ago, and I wouldn't like to see that happen again.

 

[darngooddesign]

I'm waiting for the Cornf Lake update; will go well with breakfast.

 

[cool11]

Tim Cook was an engineer, maybe he could find a solution ;-)

Your comments obviously make sense. Shame. Still cannot for the life of me understand why Apple think they can markup their laptops so much over the PC equivalents. I prefer OS X to Windows 10, but the Apple hardware is not 3 times as expensive to produce.

Let's face it, if the MacBook Pro 15" had come in at £1999, plus a bit of exchange rate fiddling to con UK buyers into believing the "Brexit" effect impacted Apple that much, there wouldn't be half as much animosity to USB C and losing the ports from the 2015 model.

Apple need a reality check, and a reminder of how not to pee off your loyal customers, regardless of how good or geeky new features are. The faithful deserted them 30 years ago, and I wouldn't like to see that happen again.

Wise words, real fears....

 

[navaira]

I'm waiting for the Cornf Lake update; will go well with breakfast.

Rose Gold version will be called Cornf Lake Girl, of course.

(Can you imagine how well a double Mac Pro config of Coffee Lake and Cornf Lake would work? BLAZING, I tell ya. Blazing.)

 

[xmonkey]

So from what I've been reading about the 13" is that kaby lake has worse igpu performance. Maybe this is why apple skipped it and will update to coffee lake when available? It supposed to be better than sky lake and way better than kaby. I guess it's the time to buy if you're in the market for a 28w CPU.

It's not really that Kaby Lake has worse iGPU performance, it's that the KL chips with Iris iGPUs for the 13" are not out yet. In an apples-to-apples CPU model comparison, KL iGPUs will be marginally faster.

That being said, I feel pretty certain that Apple is going to skip KL altogether and wait for Cannon/Coffee Lake before refreshing them again.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

That being said, I feel pretty certain that Apple is going to skip KL altogether and wait for Cannon/Coffee Lake before refreshing them again.

You certainly be right, but I'm hopeful that around WWDC, Apple will do a tech bump to Kaby Lake and drop the price by $200.

 

[Danger Bird]

You certainly be right, but I'm hopeful that around WWDC, Apple will do a tech bump to Kaby Lake and drop the price by $200.

I think it's doubtful that they'll drop the base prices, rather they'll reduce the BTO prices by 10-25%.

 

[Malzone]

If they drop the prices, they'll drop them for all the builds. My concern is that they won't include a 32GB RAM BTO, because with this mega-slim case, the TDP only permits LPDDR.
Not being able to get 32 gig on a non upgradable laptop isn't future proof enough, because when I first got my MacBook Pro I managed its 8GB RAM, now I use 6GB more of swap, so even if 16 are OK for now, I'd certainly want 32!
I think I'll keep the 13" for portability and go for a Hackintosh as the main machine.

 

[Stephen Valente]

Locking out user hardware upgrades brings us full circle to the original Mac. Hmmm ....

 

[Ygymac]

I love the new macbooks pro. I dont mind the new ports, couse only thing I connect to my computer is my iphone.

the only thing that botters me so much is the price increase... here in europe the base MBP with touchbar costs 2000 Euros .... which is for you americans 2150 USD.

But never mind, I would even consider buying it but for that price it only comes with 250gb SSD and 8gb of RAM
... I would never justify tha price increase for bigger SSD ... but the 8gb ram bothers me so much... because when I am paying 2000 Euros for a computer I want to keep it for at least 4-5 years, and dont think that is possible with base 8gb config.
BUT to configure freaking 16gb of RAM it costs here 240 EUROS !! That makes the total to 2420 USD !

For the price of that ram you can buy an entire computer

Now I dont know what to do ... I am in need of a laptotp, cant buy the 12" macbook, couse of obvious reasons, 2015 macbook pros are already out of stock in my country.... and dont feel right about buying the version without the touchbar with only 2 ports and less power.....

f**k my life.....

 

[Stephen Valente]

I've got an old Power Mac G3 and G5 bought for a tenner when a local computer shop wanted rid of them. Thinking of turning the G5 into a Hackintosh for the pure technical curiosity and knowledge it'll probably be faster than anything Apple are willing to produce at the moment.

 

[darngooddesign]

...Now I dont know what to do ... I am in need of a laptotp, cant buy the 12" macbook, couse of obvious reasons, 2015 macbook pros are already out of stock in my country.... and dont feel right about buying the version without the touchbar with only 2 ports and less power.....

f**k my life.....

There is nothing wrong with Apple refurbished.

 

[Ygymac]

There is nothing wrong with Apple refurbished.

In my country we do not have apple stores... not even online store... all we have are resellers .. so sadly no refurbished mac for me.

 

[ugru]

I'd take the 13" model as a compromise if it came with a quad core processor. Not sure why Apple couldn't do this?

They could easily achieve it, if only they gave up their stupid obsession for thinness and lightness....

Revert to the same form factor of 2015 ones with 6/7 hour's battery (considering they have 8/9 hrs now with a lot of empty room for more battery cells)...

13" Quad core i5 KL (no HT) 35W TDP with the best iGPU avaliable;
15" Quad core i7 KL (HT) 35W TDP + Decent GPU (AMD 480M or nVidia 1060M).

 

[Stephen Valente]

They could easily achieve it, if only they give up their stupid obsession for thinness and lightness....

Revert to the same form factor of 2015 ones with 6/7 hour's battery (considering they have 8/9 hrs now with a lot of empty room for more battery cells)...

13" Quad core i5 KL (no HT) 35W TDP with the best iGPU avaliable;
15" Quad core i7 KL (HT) 35W TDP + Decent GPU (AMD 480M or nVidia 1060M).

That would be a satisfactory compromise to get something more powerful, mobile and compact. Not obsessed with thinning out the form factor at all personally.

 

[mbpmo]

Not to mention thermal management. It wouldn't be feasible to have a quad-core in the 13" Pro chassis.

"It wouldn't be feasible to have a quad-core in the 13" retina Pro chassis."

But it would totally be possible in the 13 cMBP chassis, as it has more volume in the base than the 2012-2015 retina 15"s and has a 45 Watt TDP...

This is the beef of many 20-30 year users of Macs. We're Waiting we've been waiting and it looks like we are going to have to wait for hell to freeze over because they are going the opposite direction.....They have the ability to make a quad core 13 with that chassis and newer chips ram and ssds and batteries but they won't... it isn't that they can't, it's that they won't/they refuse ....to do it...which really really fkn pisses us off...