My points remain as above. I didn't say he has no valid points, of course, only that his presentation is ridiculously biased and that he makes things up.
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My points remain as above. I didn't say he has no valid points, of course, only that his presentation is ridiculously biased and that he makes things up.
oh god... yes. It WAS totally biased. And I was actually hoping for a fair review. Because the XPS does have some advantages. Even if it is just he price, resolution and ports.
As always it really boils down to: macOS or Windows.
Which is at least MY only reason NOT to buy the Dell.
In unrelated news... what's with his guy's HORRIBLE accent in the video?!
That on top of everything else made it painful to watch.
What i was mainly referring to was price drop. Yes i understand why Apple charges premium compared to Windows-lineup. And I will probably buy the new 15" KL-variant, even if it cost 3-4K€.
BUT, the named XPS 15 isn't THAT far behind. (I am not going to argue if it's less than the price difference - behind. To me, the price difference is more than the difference in the quality of these products)
And i do agree it was biased. But is the price difference going to make me change my mind to Windows? No.
I have been long time Windows- users and used to hate Apple. But now when i have had my hand to test the macbook pro. I really would like to make jump to the Mac in the laptop department. + I don't really like touchscreens in Laptops. Hate to poke my laptop screen. (I undestand Apple's vision that the touchscreen should not be vertical object.)
Will I pay extra 1000€ for Mac, long lasting quality, furute-updates, and for the matter of fact that Mac is more "future-proof"? Yes.
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Ha, he's Greek Australian. I prefer to think of his accent as exotic.
I agree, it's quite an excellent machine in many respects, and will help press Apple to push ahead.
Same here, I'm having a hard time justifying spending close to 3k. I have a thread that has been going over the advantages and disadvantages of the Dell and MBP (both have pros and cons).
From the first post I have this small matrix of what I've been considering. The Dell screen in the example is only FHD, and the MBP's is definitely much better. Performance of Apple's storage is well known. Other then that, Dell on paper has better specs (though you will need to upgrade to the 96WHr battery but I'm only showing the default small battery at 1399.
I use Windows extensively at work, and sometimes its a benefit for me to use it at home. For some reason the software I use for VPN works in windows but not in OS X. Also lately Gotomypc has been dog slow under OS X, but much more snappier in windows 10. I can only chalk it up to the citrix having a better optimized windows app.
Ah okay. My wife is Greek. She doesn't sound anything like that. I guess it is mostly the Australian influence here.
To me it sounded like he's from some weird British Hinterland. They also have accents you barely understand.
Here comes an interesting question...AMD is looking to become much more competitive with Intel in the CPU market. Several desktop CPUs are providing crazy performance for a stupid low price.
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-389-8-core-cpu-benchmarks-leaked/
If AMD releases a laptop CPU that outperforms the i5s and i7s currently used in the MacBook Pros, and sells them for 1/3 the price that Intel currently sells their competing tiers for, it seems likely that Intel CPU prices will fall, and/or Intel will lose some of its market share with Makers.
If Apple were to switch to an AMD CPU, or Intel were to radically readjust pricing on their CPUs, would that price translate over to the MacBook Pro?
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-389-8-core-cpu-benchmarks-leaked/
If AMD releases a laptop CPU that outperforms the i5s and i7s currently used in the MacBook Pros, and sells them for 1/3 the price that Intel currently sells their competing tiers for, it seems likely that Intel CPU prices will fall, and/or Intel will lose some of its market share with Makers.
If Apple were to switch to an AMD CPU, or Intel were to radically readjust pricing on their CPUs, would that price translate over to the MacBook Pro?
Apple way: prices stay the same or similar, so no real drop in prices.
But when Intel gains more advantage over ADM, which is closer to sooner then later, Apple will drive the prices up, even more then today. And they will claim that it's Intel fault
The comments thread to that article really has blown up, almost 4400 comments now. My favorite:
"Are they really selling a $1000 performer for $389 or has Intel been selling a $389 performer for $1000?"
There is already Engineering Sample of Raven Ridge APU, with 3.3 GHz Quad Core/8 Thread CPU, and GPU, all packed in 35W TDP. The GPU has at least 12 CU's(768 GCN cores).
BitsAndChips.it, Italian Site have claimed that AMD provided those engineering Samples to Apple in December 2015, and that Apple will use those APUs in MacBooks and MacBook Pro's.
I have opportunity to buy 2016 MBP 15" and to get tax free in following weeks - which is really good deal which I can not get in my country. What is like ultimate advice now? To buy it now or to wait for 2017 model? Particularly, is it known when 2017 will be released? I guess it would near the end of the year. So it almost a year away. Regarding improvement, I guess CPU update would be impacting the battery life the most, so it would be the biggest advantage. But I don't know how much the battery life would be improved. Also, 32 gb would be just for high-end model, which I am not planing to buy, I am going for low-end 15".
I been reading this thread already, but now I need some concrete advice because I need to decide in few days what to do.
I been reading this thread already, but now I need some concrete advice because I need to decide in few days what to do.
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All we have is rumors and speculation so there's not much that can be provided concrete wise, other then you know what the 2016 model has for components, price and performance. Whether that fits your needs, is up to you.
If it were me, and I saw an opportunity to save money on getting a new machine now (and I was in the market for one), I'd jump on it, but that's just me.
I have opportunity to buy 2016 MBP 15" and to get tax free in following weeks - which is really good deal which I can not get in my country. What is like ultimate advice now? To buy it now or to wait for 2017 model? Particularly, is it known when 2017 will be released? I guess it would near the end of the year. So it almost a year away. Regarding improvement, I guess CPU update would be impacting the battery life the most, so it would be the biggest advantage. But I don't know how much the battery life would be improved. Also, 32 gb would be just for high-end model, which I am not planing to buy, I am going for low-end 15".
I been reading this thread already, but now I need some concrete advice because I need to decide in few days what to do.
You seem to understand the factors in waiting for the next one. Will you be able to try out the machine before you buy it? Will help to try out the keyboard, trackpad and such to see if you like the new ways.
Looks like apple might just skip skylake (hopefully since it's already so late) if they don't then this thread will have a very long wait!
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/07/21/intel-begins-shipping-kaby-lake-processors/
Since Kaby Lake is now shipping maybe this is what apple was waiting for which could explain the delay. I hope this is true and they arn't going to disappoint us with skylake and actually deliver us the most up to date this yearthe macbook pro lineup really needs this.
Edit: 10/28/2016
Well i was hoping that kaby lake would have been released this year but apple decided that its best to sell us old skylake processors and up the price by a huge margin.
I'm officially no longer waiting for any new mac book pros. Apple is no longer the company i want to do business with. The company that was created by Steve Jobs seems seems to no longer exist. They do not care about the customers, they only care about how much profit they can take in from the millions of loyal fans they have acquired over the last 2-3 decades.
Yes very true is what you saying, Millions of customers are stuck with MacBook Pro bad battery that runs between 4-5 hours and no one is saying anything about it. Tim Crooks all he worries about it how high his stocks get and how much profits they make and the hell with Millions of loyal customers like me and you.
If you Google and read all over the net about the Battery life that apple promised 10 hours and it is running 4-5 hours Max and almost no one is doing anything about it . I am one of the lucky people who Apple is replacing my MBP 13" but not sure if the new one will do the Job , Will cross my fingers that the new machine will give me at least 7 hours then I will be a happy camper since I spend on a 13" MBP $2199.00 and its a lot of money for a dinky machine.
Steve Jobs was the King of Apple and Tim Crooks should be replaced he is bad news for Apple , I just never ever liked the guy since he has done nothing just talk . No one will ever replace Steve Jobs.
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First, welcome to MR's Forums! Cheers.
FWIW, I have passed on the current MBPs for a few reasons, mainly in the belief that the 25-odd rMBPs in my offices are still capable machines and that an update will be forthcoming in relevant software for the Touch Bar and hardware Optane/Kaby Lake/newer AMD dGPUs.
What I don't understand in your post is the 10 hour battery life claim dispute that others have griped about. What I read on Apple's own web site is "Up to 10 hours wireless web" and "Up to 10 hours iTunes movie playback" - other not-specified-by-Apple usage would preclude that 10-hour claim/gripe; I'm assuming for only the latter that the iTunes movie being cited is resident on the relevant Mac and not being streamed. I've never been on the web or watched a movie for that long - ever - I'd rather sleep or drink & hangout on my flights. My point here about this matter is that I have read a few posts that show that the new MBP does come close to or exceed that time allotment, while others haven't come close. Apple's indicated that they're working on fixes in the upcoming OS update; my late-2013 wasn't 4k-capable on external displays when it came out, but subsequent updates (10.10.3) allowed my older Mac to now push two 4k displays @60Hz over DisplayPort plus the built-in display at full resolution @ 60Hz - respectfully, give them a chance?
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Thank you for your warM welcome . I am an
Old MR member but forgot all my info so I registered as a new member.
As per up to 10 hours I understand this but even surfing the iternet does the same 4-5 hours and latest software update that was suppose to fix the problem as an Apple tech told me it did not . I am waiting for the same reason as you for the 15" bit bought one to try till I get back my replacement of my 13" that I bought .
Hope the battery issue will resolve soon . I will post after I get my new replacement.
dell cannot drive a 5k @60hz or two 4k@60hz since that tb3 has only 20gbs band, the keyboard is better on the MBP,the only minus is that is louder than dells
I disagree, I think the MBP is inferior and personally, I don't need to drive 2 5k monitors
So while that could be advantage, its not that matters to meThere have been a lot of hardware QC issues reported with the new MBP keyboard on this forum (1) (2) (3) (4). The XPS keyboard size & feel isn't perfect (IMO) but it seems to be objectively more reliable and better constructed than the butterfly mechanism Apple is using right now. Here's to hoping the 2017 MBP irons that out.
I just returned the MacBook Pro 15" that I bought a few days ago since the test I did was 5 hours of Battery life in about 5 days no matter what I did.Now I am waiting for my new replacement from Apple for my MBP 13" that I send back had same battery issue . Did not hear from apple yet when would I get it , But hope soon and hope that Battery life will be better.
Are you infact talking about MacOS here vs Windows rather than MacBook Pro vs XPS15?
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Yes, that channel is really just some kind of marketing channel for Dell. Just watch the "review" of the XPS15 which doesn't even mention obvious XPS15 drawbacks like the fingerprint magnet, coil whine etc. That is not to say that the XPS15 isn't a great laptop and, depending on ones need, might even be better than the MBP, but the outcome of the comparison in question was given in advance.
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I am thinking about getting a 2nd 2015/15 rMBP, because the prices are getting really low. I am gonna kick myself if a 2017 doesn't come out till 2018 (Jan thru Jun)
The one (15/15) I got in September hasn't crashed 1 time! It has been 100% flawless with no dGPU.
My MacBook Pro 2011/17 I had with the dGPU crashed 2-3 times the first month and every month there after except when a few point 1 OS updates came out and it worked without crashing maybe 1 time in a month, but then as you know "you gotta update" and then it went back to 2-3 even more crashes per month, and we all found out it was the dGPU, and my 2011/17 dGPU just went blue and died (I know about the recalls etc), and I had to gut the kexts. (but I need to replace it) (The 17 will be a GF couch browser
)But ANYWAY, I guess my main question to anyone out there, does anyone have a 2016 (13 or 15) rMBPtb, that they HAVE NOT had to FORCE RESTART ONCE? any FORCE RESTARTS out there?? (That's all the MATTERS to ME with MacBook Pros)
I mean seriously my 2015/15 rMBP is 100% FLAWLESS. I had a conversation on the forum with some guys about FLAWLESS before, and I'm not talking about a SW force quit. I had 5 of those MS Excel 365 - 3 of those times because of their open file dialog. But I know these 5 times have all been the SW's fault, (but believe me I am keeping count). But like I said NO HARD FORCE RESTARTS?
I am coming from a buggy as hell 2011/17 I know what crashing twice a month minimum HELL IS.
Cause I might just get a 2016 15 tb... let me know PLEASE. I want NO FORCE RESTARTS! eva...
I haven't had any issues with that, no forced restarts. I got my 15" 2.7 455 in early December. I run it all day and have only restarted maybe three times, plus whatever the OS updates might have done overnight. But I don't do much to make it misbehave, no external monitor, for example.
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