Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)

[fokmik]

friend of mine brought his 2016 mbp to repair 2 times for the good old keyboard-not-responding-when-hot-gate.
the first time they completely changed the top case and keyboard, the second time they just applied some shims.
the new one should have the shims already installed, as far as i know.

hmm the shims are applied on what month?im asking because i heard also when my friend got his keyboard fixed with this shims, that from 11 April every macbook pro should come with these from fabric
[doublepost=1495128178][/doublepost]all TB3 PC notebooks so far have their TB3 controller attached to the PCH, a x4 3.0 link which shares traffic with other high throughput PCIe devices like wifi, lan and noteably PCIe SSDs. The sole exception being the 15" Macbook Pro which attaches the TB3 controller to the CPU.

 

[gifo]

hmm the shims are applied on what month?im asking because i heard also when my friend got his keyboard fixed with this shims, that from 11 April every macbook pro should come with these from fabric
[doublepost=1495128178][/doublepost]all TB3 PC notebooks so far have their TB3 controller attached to the PCH, a x4 3.0 link which shares traffic with other high throughput PCIe devices like wifi, lan and noteably PCIe SSDs. The sole exception being the 15" Macbook Pro which attaches the TB3 controller to the CPU.

Can't recall exactly, probably it was just before Easter o just after.

 

[hamilto]

Announcing Kickstarter "waiting for skylake mbp" published book in full leather hardcover with built in coaster for scotch and Kleenex dispenser to wipe away despair tears.

 

[fokmik]

i wonder since the macbook pro is still labeled as "new" in apple page, i wonder after the WWDC refresh it will be labelled "even newer" ?

 

[maflynn]

i wonder since the macbook pro is still labeled as "new" in apple page, i wonder after the WWDC refresh it will be labelled "even newer" ?

Apple left the "new" moniker on the iMac for well over a year, so who knows.

 

[MrGuder]

i wonder since the macbook pro is still labeled as "new" in apple page, i wonder after the WWDC refresh it will be labelled "even newer" ?

No it will be in the description under tech specs it will list Kaby lake processor, right? Otherwise how would we know?

 

[fokmik]

No it will be in the description under tech specs it will list Kaby lake processor, right? Otherwise how would we know?

i was just saying that Apple long before a refresh they remove the "new" label for that product...but with 3 weeks ahead we still have "new" in front of MBP...i wonder if really Apple will update those

 

[MrGuder]

i was just saying that Apple long before a refresh they remove the "new" label for that product...but with 3 weeks ahead we still have "new" in front of MBP...i wonder if really Apple will update those

Oh I see but technically it will be new until they release a 2017 model in Oct and then that one will be new. I don't feel that just because they release a minor update that it would warrant them saying on the website that it's "newer"

 

[turbineseaplane]

I hope the MacBook Pro's aren't really "new", but just tweak some small issues and offer additional configs.

(ahem - 15" nonTouchBar please...)

 

[Glockworkorange]

Any chance Apple reduces the price? I feel like the 13 inch with function keys should start at $1299 and the 13 inch with the touch bar should be like $1699 or even $1599

15 inch should be like $2199

I remember there was a price drop on the retina 15 inch model when the second generation was released.

The discrete GPU was dropped (and perhaps the RAM) and the price was lowered from like $2499 to $1999.

Perhaps my timeline and prices are a little off, but I am pretty sure it went down something like that.

Would be great to see a 15 inch model without a touch bar and four TB3 ports for $2,000.00.

Not sure the price point will hit $2K, but it'd be great if it did....

 

[nelsons2]

Is it me or delivery times have slipped on late may even for base models ? In france here, it says 29 may

 

[campyguy]

I remember there was a price drop on the retina 15 inch model when the second generation was released.

The discrete GPU was dropped (and perhaps the RAM) and the price was lowered from like $2499 to $1999.

Perhaps my timeline and prices are a little off, but I am pretty sure it went down something like that.

Would be great to see a 15 inch model without a touch bar and four TB3 ports for $2,000.00.

Not sure the price point will hit $2K, but it'd be great if it did....

You're spot on. I bought that mid-2012 rMBP in early 2013 and then the late-2013 rMBP several months later and I was pretty grumpy about it at the time. I just sold the 2012 unit, selling some company equipment. I still have, and am typing on right now, the 2013 unit.

The price drop was a big factor for me, but to me the switch from SATA SSDs to PCIe SSDs was the big motivator - the latter drive smoked the former drive. It was that combination of changes that leads me to feel that a similar set of changes could be showing in the refreshed unit. I learned a lesson with Apple products - don't buy a Rev 0 product. What with the GPU and CPU changes flying and my feeling that the new AMD units with a significantly lower cost I'd wager a buck that Apple is working hard to beat on Intel to lower their prices with the positive feedback on the new AMD products so far.

I'm still really wanting a Xeon/Quadro rMBP :fingers crossed: :wallet ready:

 

[gifo]

I remember there was a price drop on the retina 15 inch model when the second generation was released.

The discrete GPU was dropped (and perhaps the RAM) and the price was lowered from like $2499 to $1999.

Perhaps my timeline and prices are a little off, but I am pretty sure it went down something like that.

Would be great to see a 15 inch model without a touch bar and four TB3 ports for $2,000.00.

Not sure the price point will hit $2K, but it'd be great if it did....

2199 to 1999 and no more dgpu. see this post
[doublepost=1495318292][/doublepost]

I'm still really wanting a Xeon/Quadro rMBP :fingers crossed: :wallet ready:

sorry, not going to happen unfortunately. the macbook pro is not intended as a mobile workstation, and i want to remember that ATM the only mobile gpus capable of running 2 5k displays are amd branded gpus (i know that nvidia 1xxx is also good for laptops but none of the options with a low tdp is suitable for the mbp)
i would love a mbp with nvidia discrete card (for cuda computing) but i don't think is never gonna happen until the new modular Mac Pro.

 

[campyguy]

sorry, not going to happen unfortunately.

killjoy.

 

[fokmik]

i hope the amd 500 series are ready for the MBP internal refresh...

 

[ugru]

i know that nvidia 1xxx is also good for laptops but none of the options with a low tdp is suitable for the mbp

Why do people think that "low TDP suitable for the MBP" is an actual constraint is beyond me.

It is not. They can easily make it thicker with better cooling and bring back MagSafe for power supply. It was their dumb choice to go for thin and underpowered also on the MacBook Pro instead of making 2 different lines of Laptops, one thin and the other thicker and more powerful.

They do not even have to make it a lot thicker, other laptops with nVidia 10X0 are as thick as 2015's rMBP, which was already perfect for portability....

They understood and publicly admitted it was a dumb decision on the MacPro, in their own words "they designed themselves into a termal constraint", talking precisely about GPUs.

So, I cannot see why they can't change their mind also on their laptop line as they are doing for their entire Desktop line (MacPro, iMac, MacMini) and even on the iPad...

Stop Making Pro Laptop Thinner...is useless and counterproductive

 

[gifo]

Why do people think that "low TDP suitable for the MBP" is an actual constraint is beyond me.

It is not. They can easily make it thicker with better cooling and bring back MagSafe for power supply. It was their dumb choice to go for thin and underpowered also on the MacBook Pro instead of making 2 different lines of Laptops, one thin and the other thicker and more powerful.

They do not even have to make it a lot thicker, other laptops with nVidia 10X0 are as thick as 2015's rMBP, which was already perfect for portability....

They understood and publicly admitted it was a dumb decision on the MacPro, in their own words "they designed themselves into a termal constraint", talking precisely about GPUs.

So, I cannot see why they can't change their mind also on their laptop line as they are doing for their entire Desktop line (MacPro, iMac, MacMini) and even on the iPad...

Stop Making Pro Laptop Thinner...is useless and counterproductive

and i'm an 100% with you, but macbook pro is not placed in the Mac Pro area, it's consumer electronic. t
he 2016 macbook pro has sold a lot compared to any mac pro and even to any macbook pro.
TDP is an actual constraint, the one and only to be honest.
and more over, MACBOOK PRO has never been designed and intended to be a mobile workstations, they have always been the "perfect" compromise between raw power and portability, period.
i hope you can see the direction apple took in the last few years, form above function: they first design the shell and than they put inside the functional part.
so, yes, TDP is not a constraint in real life, but it is the one and only constraint in apple's macbook pro.
i would love an "old" mbp retina with upgraded internals and nvidia gpu, but it's simply not going to happen anytime soon, the tbMBP is the most successful laptop apple introduced (at launch).
SO
they're not going to change the form factor anyway (unfortunately)
AND
they're not going to upgrade the "old" retina with new internals (unfortunately)

 

[fokmik]

im glad the portable devices are thiner and lighter than 2010' generations...if i want a non portable pro machine i buy a desktop

 

[ugru]

the tbMBP is the most successful laptop apple introduced (at launch).

We do not have the real data of how many rMBP they sold.
There is even a single source that reports that as soon they released 2016 they had a spike of sales of the old model...
So
They should? Absolutely
They will? I hope so but i am a pessimist...

 

[petsk]

Making the new Macbook Pro thinner was the right move by Apple. Portability comes first because it's a laptop. It's not meant to be sitting on a desk 24/7.

If you need a desktop, get a desktop and stop the whining.

 

[OSX15]

I'm currently in a tough situation.. I was without my maxed out rMBP 15" mid-2015 for months due to several Apple repairs. (got it back Yesterday) So I the meantime I ended up buying a MacBook Pro 15" 2016 with 2.9Ghz CPU upgrade and Radeon 460. (had to work!) At this point I'm considering a few options since I'm still within the return window..

1. Return the new Macbook Pro -> Refund -> Get Applecare for my 11 month 'old' 2015 model -> wait another year
2. Return the new MacBook Pro -> Sell the 2015 -> Upgrade to new model if it comes at WWDC
3. Keep the new one and maybe hate myself in three weeks

Since I had some trouble with Apple I got a really nice discount on the new MacBook Pro, I do use my computer for 4K video editing but also watch some high-res movies on it from time to time. I know Kaby Lake is just a minor update from the Skylake variant but I'm worried the 2016 model will lose lots of its value and will have a worse battery life viewing and editing 4K footage (since Kaby Lake has dedicated encode/decode for .h265 and .v9 format)

What would you guys do?

 

[benguild]

I'm currently in a tough situation.. I was without my maxed out rMBP 15" mid-2015 for months due to several Apple repairs. (got it back Yesterday) So I the meantime I ended up buying a MacBook Pro 15" 2016 with 2.9Ghz CPU upgrade and Radeon 460. (had to work!) At this point I'm considering a few options since I'm still within the return window..

1. Return the new Macbook Pro -> Refund -> Get Applecare for my 11 month 'old' 2015 model -> wait another year
2. Return the new MacBook Pro -> Sell the 2015 -> Upgrade to new model if it comes at WWDC
3. Keep the new one and maybe hate myself in three weeks

Since I had some trouble with Apple I got a really nice discount on the new MacBook Pro, I do use my computer for 4K video editing but also watch some high-res movies on it from time to time. I know Kaby Lake is just a minor update from the Skylake variant but I'm worried the 2016 model will lose lots of its value and will have a worse battery life viewing and editing 4K footage (since Kaby Lake has dedicated encode/decode for .h265 and .v9 format)

What would you guys do?

I was in a similar situation last week because my Late 2013 broke, and I bought a maxed-out 2016. Ended up switching back to the 2013 without issue after getting it fixed and returning the 2016... glad to not be on the new one that I thought was only "so-so" yet cost $3000+.

Like there was basically no performance improvement and if you change the screen resolution to the new "scaled" default on the old one, you forget about all of the other perks within hours.

The new computers are beautiful but why pay for a new one if the performance is the same and the Touch Bar is too easy to accidentally trigger? I'd rather wait for those two issues to go away.

 

[haydn!]

Performance boost wise, I guess most buyers will be moving from a notebook that is more than 1 generation older. My guess is the average buyer is probably on a 3-4 year cycle - so performance boosts will be considerably better.

 

[ugru]

if i want a non portable pro machine i buy a desktop

If you need a desktop, get a desktop and stop the whining.

Strawmen...

If you want a low power, ultraportable device, Apple has the perfect laptop for you, it is the MB...

I want a powerful laptop, possibly with nVidia GPU...I have to look elsewere

 

[WRONG]

To be honest the only reason i'm leaning towards believing the WWDC updates is because it's come from Mark Gurman at Bloomberg he is very rarely wrong!

Of course he is not me.

I'm really curious toward this WWDC.
But I'm also prepared to disappointment.