Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)

[Orangepeel190]

Quick question: if they do come out with the Kaby Lake, and an increase in Ram to 32Gb, will the current/existing battery life be the same or potentially increase? This assumes they don't tweak the current battery and everything else being the same?

I would love to see the KL processor and 32Gb Ram, but not at the expense of battery life - this was the main reason why I have held off purchasing the 2016 refresh.

 

[gadgetfreaky]

A new model in October after only four months? I think it's more likely to happen in Early 2018.

if you read ming and Gurman- this is what it suggests. these june model are refrehses...the october model would be around a year after the last new models

 

[haydn!]

Quick question: if they do come out with the Kaby Lake, and an increase in Ram to 32Gb, will the current/existing battery life be the same or potentially increase? This assumes they don't tweak the current battery and everything else being the same?

I would love to see the KL processor and 32Gb Ram, but not at the expense of battery life - this was the main reason why I have held off purchasing the 2016 refresh.

I guess if they kept the battery the same, there would be little/no change in performance.

However, there was a lot of speculation at release of the 2016 models that newer batteries - designed speciffically for the space available weren't ready on time so Apple had to go with lower capacity ones. My guess would be they're ready now and if Apple do update next week - these batteries will make an appearance allowing for much better battery life in all possible CPU/GPU/RAM scenarios.
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if you read ming and Gurman- this is what it suggests. these june model are refrehses...the october model would be around a year after the last new models

How are you differentiating between refresh and new models? Refreshed spec does constitute new models - at least it always has done before?

If you're expecting a redesign in October, I think you'll be disappointed. If Apple were planning to do that, not only would it be the fasted MacBook Pro redesign in Mac history - it would be extremely unlikely Apple would boost chips just 4 months before.

 

[HatMine]

If they lower the price and update the processor to Kaby Lake on the 13", I'll most definitely buy one (nTB). Hopefully it'll have slightly better battery life than previous models, although I can't say I actually need any more than what we already get

 

[upandown]

Apple has been under a lot of pressure with their new MBPro's not being 'Pro' and lacking Kaby Lake. (Even though the CPU's weren't released at the time) So although a 7 month refresh isn't the status quo, I can see Apple doing it to try and earn positive points and quiet the disappointment. Because of that I feel the slightly larger battery isn't off the table either.

 

[BigTomCallaghan]

Easily. At least under Bootcamp - the macOS version of Rocket League is optimized painfully bad, so I'm not sure about that. As for Windows, Intel recommends pretty much the highest settings at 1080p for Rocket League with the Iris 550.

https://gameplay.intel.com/de/GamesSettings/8649/91166/Intel® Core™ i5-6267U Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz)

Dude you are my dog, thank you for the clear answer on this based on the 13" version - something I've been looking for for a while. Thanks again!

 

[gadgetfreaky]

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How are you differentiating between refresh and new models? Refreshed spec does constitute new models - at least it always has done before?

If you're expecting a redesign in October, I think you'll be disappointed. If Apple were planning to do that, not only would it be the fasted MacBook Pro redesign in Mac history - it would be extremely unlikely Apple would boost chips just 4 months before.

No. A redesign such as touchbar and the form factor changing is not the same thing as a processor bump.

and I'm not "expecting" anything I'm just citing what's been reported from Gurman and Ming. And they usually are spot on.

 

[benface]

No. A redesign such as touchbar and the form factor changing is not the same thing as a processor bump.

and I'm not "expecting" anything I'm just citing what's been reported from Gurman and Ming. And they usually are spot on.

I don't understand what you're saying. So what would be different in October's "new model" that would make it different from a "refresh", yet not different enough to be considered a "redesign"?

 

[Aditya_S]

I don't understand what you're saying. So what would be different in October's "new model" that would make it different from a "refresh", yet not different enough to be considered a "redesign"?

I think it will have the same design on the outside but the inside might be redesigned so that it it more efficient and has better battery life.

 

[HerbertDerb]

I don't think it makes sense to release another variation in 4 months time. This seems very unApple-like....

 

[benface]

Yeah, no, that's not going to happen (if there is indeed a refresh in June, which seems likely). My guess is that the next one will be in March.

 

[Aditya_S]

Is a price drop expected to happen this June?

 

[haydn!]

No. A redesign such as touchbar and the form factor changing is not the same thing as a processor bump.

Of course they're not the same thing, but they're both still new models. Are they not? Or do you not consider any of the MacBook's released between February 2013 and May 2015 new models either? They were just spec bumps after all.

Suffice to say, it is extremely unlikely Apple will refresh/update/spec bump/new model the MacBook Pro line up in both June and October this year. An update to 13" line-up in June and 15" in October (or vice-versa) is plausible but both, twice, not going to happen.

Is a price drop expected to happen this June?

Hopefully!

 

[HerbertDerb]

My personal guess is that we will see processor bump AND they will mostly likely fix the "small" battery issue.

You can get Dell XPS 15 with 97 WHr battery. And probably this model is MBP 15":s biggest rival.

+ According to rumours they tried to stack the batteries on the MBP lineup, just like they did on the 12" mb. But they run out of time and they wanted the product out before holiday-season.

 

[Pentad]

If Apple launch a refresh Macbook Pro with:
- 32 GB RAM
- Powerful GPU

i Will buy it without hesitation.

These two items plus Kaby Lake would make me pull the trigger as well. I'm a developer and usually have 2 or 3 VMs going at the same time so 16GB is pretty anemic. I thought the 2016 MBP was a huge disappointment (from a developer point of view) given the price vs performance. I would like to see Apple bring the MBP to the same level as the competition.

-P

 

[gadgetfreaky]

Of course they're not the same thing, but they're both still new models. Are they not? Or do you not consider any of the MacBook's released between February 2013 and May 2015 new models either? They were just spec bumps after all.

Suffice to say, it is extremely unlikely Apple will refresh/update/spec bump/new model the MacBook Pro line up in both June and October this year. An update to 13" line-up in June and 15" in October (or vice-versa) is plausible but both, twice, not going to happen.




Hopefully!

I could completely see them refreshing the processors and battery in June, then coming out with one new differentiated model with 32gb in Q4 and some additional tweaks. Could coincide with new intel chips or new GPUs.

Further, the rumors from Gurman/ Ming say an addiitonal MBP is q4 expected so the chances are not "extremely unlikely". I've also seen them do this in the past when it was warranted like it may be now. Further with these sources suggesting it- It's the expected case.
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I don't understand what you're saying. So what would be different in October's "new model" that would make it different from a "refresh", yet not different enough to be considered a "redesign"?

- 32gb ram
- better GPU
- Better processor

I think the models in June will just have the Kaby Lake and terraced battery. If they have a better GPU i'll be thrilled but not expecting it. Don't think we'll see 32 in June.

 

[haydn!]

I could completely see them refreshing the processors and battery in June, then coming out with one new differentiated model with 32gb in Q4 and some additional tweaks. Could coincide with new intel chips or new GPUs.

Further, the rumors from Gurman/ Ming say an addiitonal MBP is q4 expected so the chances are not "extremely unlikely". I've also seen them do this in the past when it was warranted like it may be now. Further with these sources suggesting it- It's the expected case.
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- 32gb ram
- better GPU
- Better processor

I think the models in June will just have the Kaby Lake and terraced battery. If they have a better GPU i'll be thrilled but not expecting it. Don't think we'll see 32 in June.

Ok. So both possibilities are still just updated/refreshed models of the existing design. An additional model in October is possible I guess, but if that happens there won't be any changes to the existing models alongside it if they are updated at WWDC.

 

[NBAasDOGG]

In what what way do people believe that there will be a new MacBook Pro this June? Intel didn't even release 28W Iris 650 CPU's yet, so do we expect to see an downgraded tbMBP 13' to 15W Iris 640 CPU? This doesn't make a lot of sense to me, unless Apple releases a new MacBook Pro with only terraced battery this June.

 

[You are the One]

I'm just puzzled at how managed to destroy the eminent position the MBP once held in the market. Was it caused by incompetence or by design? Perhaps a combination. When I got the 2012 rMBP it was superior in every way and well worth the price. The latest MBP, not so much. Maybe that will change, though I doubt it. I really like MacOS compared to Win, the way things evolve it's going to be a Hackintosh or something running Linux for me. Although what I really want is a MBP that had the same comparable value as the 2012 rMBP.

 

[benface]

I'm just puzzled at how managed to destroy the eminent position the MBP once held in the market. Was it caused by incompetence or by design? Perhaps a combination. When I got the 2012 rMBP it was superior in every way and well worth the price. The latest MBP, not so much. Maybe that will change, though I doubt it. I really like MacOS compared to Win, the way things evolve it's going to be a Hackintosh or something running Linux for me. Although what I really want is a MBP that had the same comparable value as the 2012 rMBP.

To be fair, I don't think Apple's laptops or their value has gotten worse, but the competition has gotten much better.

 

[fokmik]

I'm just puzzled at how managed to destroy the eminent position the MBP once held in the market. Was it caused by incompetence or by design? Perhaps a combination. When I got the 2012 rMBP it was superior in every way and well worth the price. The latest MBP, not so much. Maybe that will change, though I doubt it. I really like MacOS compared to Win, the way things evolve it's going to be a Hackintosh or something running Linux for me. Although what I really want is a MBP that had the same comparable value as the 2012 rMBP.

is not about apple, its about the competitors figure it out that also the design,sells..but they are still away if you manage to compare them side by side. Still the macs are the only one that can run macos ,windows or linux, so you can have whatever you want without any hassle and the only ones that work so flawlessly with ios watchos and Apples internal ecosystem. The only brand that is in trouble, is google with their googleOS, since i think, windows 10S will overcome in 2-3 years

 

[c0ppo]

The only brand that is in trouble, is google with their googleOS, since i think, windows 10S will overcome in 2-3 years

Bold statement. But I really doubt that will ever happen. Windows 10S is a bad joke

 

[haydn!]

Chrome OS had so much potential but it doesn't really feel like it went anywhere.

 

[fokmik]

Bold statement. But I really doubt that will ever happen. Windows 10S is a bad joke

it is a bad joke, BUT you have the premium devices like surface laptop bla bla bla, and people students love to have a nice product that have a better battery life.
the windows 10S will surpass chromeOS. A lot of people/companies will make apps for that platform instead of google play that run very strange on chromeOS

 

[AAtte]

How fast is the Iris 650 going to be?