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I'm guessing if Intel has decided to go for it then it's because they have tested and 4 cores running more slowly are more powerful than two running faster, even taking throttling into account. Maybe if only one or two cores are being utilised it will be able to ramp up higher than if all 4 are active?
You are correct in assuming the turbo-boost will be higher for less active cores. This has always been the case for multi-core intel CPUs. For example, the Core i7 7820HQ in the high end 2017 15” has a base clock of 2.9Ghz and a maximum boost clock of 3.9Ghz; however, that maximum boost is only achievable on a single core. It will only turbo to 3.7Ghz on 2 active cores and 3.5Ghz for 4 active cores.
 
For MBP it would be good if Apple would switch for this generation from AMD to Nvidia. GV107 GPUs will have desktop GTX 1060 level of performance in games. Next generation Nvidia GPUs will arrive early next year.
 
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It is all but certain that Apple will stick with AMD. Radeon Pro (Polaris 11) in the MacBook Pros and new iMacs, Radeon Vega in the upcoming iMac Pro, FCPX is highly optimized for AMD cards, etc...

It is a virtual certainty that the 15" 2018 MacBook Pros will use AMD chips. I'm hoping for a mobile version of Radeon Vega.

Thanks for the info. Why Apple optimized the software for AMD cards?
 
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Does anyone know the latest status of 47W/GT3e H series chips that were initially meant to be triumphantly returning with coffee lake?

For one, GT3e now seems to refer to Iris, not Iris pro (I've seen GT4e now associated with that branding) but it seems GT3e Iris 640/650 is on a par with/ the successor to the Iris pro 5200 of the Haswell generation - confusing. Another point is the rumour the higher watt chips will stick with HD graphics, as most manufacturers pair them with a dGPU anyway, so it's pointless putting anything more than a basic power saving GPU on the chip.

If we don't see a H series with at least Iris graphics, that would mean the lowest end successor of the MBP 15" (a slot currently served by the venerable 2015 edition) would either have to drop down to a 28 (or even 15) watt U series (albeit potentially still quad core?) or Apple would have to find a way of fitting a cheaper dGPU, or maybe the option would even disappear altogether once the 2015 is no longer serviceable.

As someone who prefers the extra space of the 15" screen size, but doesn't need a huge amount of grunt from a computer and would rather put any extra money towards more storage space, I'm watching how this develops as closely as I can.
 
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Thanks for the info. Why Apple optimized the software for AMD cards?
To more or less echo what the previous poster said... AMD GPUs are generally superior in OpenCL compute than their NVIDIA counterparts, and Final Cut makes use of OpenCL for GPU compute workloads. This is presumably the case so that Final Cut will work well with both AMD discrete cards as well as with the Intel integrated cards of the rest of Apple's laptop lineup. On the other hand, I believe Adobe Premier can take advantage of NVIDA CUDA acceleration for GPU compute - resulting in better performance in Premier for NVIDA cards.
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Does anyone know the latest status of 47W/GT3e H series chips that were initially meant to be triumphantly returning with coffee lake?

For one, GT3e now seems to refer to Iris, not Iris pro (I've seen GT4e now associated with that branding) but it seems GT3e Iris 640/650 is on a par with/ the successor to the Iris pro 5200 of the Haswell generation - confusing. Another point is the rumour the higher watt chips will stick with HD graphics, as most manufacturers pair them with a dGPU anyway, so it's pointless putting anything more than a basic power saving GPU on the chip.

If we don't see a H series with at least Iris graphics, that would mean the lowest end successor of the MBP 15" (a slot currently served by the venerable 2015 edition) would either have to drop down to a 28 (or even 15) watt U series (albeit potentially still quad core?) or Apple would have to find a way of fitting a cheaper dGPU, or maybe the option would even disappear altogether once the 2015 is no longer serviceable.

As someone who prefers the extra space of the 15" screen size, but doesn't need a huge amount of grunt from a computer and would rather put any extra money towards more storage space, I'm watching how this develops as closely as I can.
This is a good question... none of the Kaby Lake H-series CPUs were paired with GT3e - to say nothing of GT4e. I think the Iris Pro brand was less than profitable for Intel because the 45 watt chips are generally paired with discrete graphics, as you said. Do we know that the Iris Pro brand will make a comeback in the 8th Generation Intel lineup?

If not, my guess is Apple will end-of-life the 2015 15" Pro and not offer a low-end 15" model. I could certainly be wrong, but I very much doubt Apple would put a 28 watt CPU in a 15" chassis.
 
To more or less echo what the previous poster said... AMD GPUs are generally superior in OpenCL compute than their NVIDIA counterparts, and Final Cut makes use of OpenCL for GPU compute workloads. This is presumably the case so that Final Cut will work well with both AMD discrete cards as well as with the Intel integrated cards of the rest of Apple's laptop lineup. On the other hand, I believe Adobe Premier can take advantage of NVIDA CUDA acceleration for GPU compute - resulting in better performance in Premier for NVIDA cards.
Yes it can. And still for Example GTX 1070 can be slower than RX 480
Like here:

Blender org. has added Split Kernel to its OpenCL path, specifically for AMD. Currently, the Kernel mimics behaviour of CUDA code - its portioned into smaller bits which can be processed faster. Effect? RX 480 running Blender with OpenCL is faster than GTX 1060 using CUDA.
https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Source/Render/Cycles/OpenCL
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MUCH Faster.

Software optimized for AMD hardware will process faster, because GCN is more robust in compute throughput than graphics, but still core for core, clock for clock as fast as Pascal.
 
How about 64G+ ram, high-end discrete graphics, no touchbar (bring back regular, assignable, function keys), magsafe, card slot, thicker case to support an improved tactile keyboard & more sensitive, physical touchpad, headphone jack, and coffee lake or better multi-core cpu.
I think Apple should build a mobile workstation class laptop in this spirit using a 17 inch retina display and chassis from pre-retina generation unibody. This will be a true mobile solution for professionals. It will include 2 TBs of SSD storage standard along with the option for two more if the user wants, totaling about 6 TBs. Because the chassis would support a larger battery, they could switch to DDR4 RAM, 32 GBs standard, nVidia Quadro graphics with 6 GBs of vRAM with configuration support for up to 16 GBs.

It would be in the same vain at the iMac Pro and carry similar pricing.
 
I think Apple should build a mobile workstation class laptop in this spirit using a 17 inch retina display and chassis from pre-retina generation unibody. This will be a true mobile solution for professionals. It will include 2 TBs of SSD storage standard along with the option for two more if the user wants, totaling about 6 TBs. Because the chassis would support a larger battery, they could switch to DDR4 RAM, 32 GBs standard, nVidia Quadro graphics with 6 GBs of vRAM with configuration support for up to 16 GBs.

It would be in the same vain at the iMac Pro and carry similar pricing.

Yeah....and you would only have to sell off just one kidney to buy the thing!!
 
This is a good question... none of the Kaby Lake H-series CPUs were paired with GT3e - to say nothing of GT4e. I think the Iris Pro brand was less than profitable for Intel because the 45 watt chips are generally paired with discrete graphics, as you said. Do we know that the Iris Pro brand will make a comeback in the 8th Generation Intel lineup?

If not, my guess is Apple will end-of-life the 2015 15" Pro and not offer a low-end 15" model. I could certainly be wrong, but I very much doubt Apple would put a 28 watt CPU in a 15" chassis.
I'm sure I remember seeing Coffee Lake was meant to bring back the high end iGPUs to the H series chips, was it on one of those intel roadmap charts that show the succession over 3/4 years? Looking less likely now though so I'm either going to have to spend way more cash than I have to on a machine that's got far more power than I'll ever use, hope Apple introduces a larger screened 'macbook' further down the price scale, or take up serious video editing as a new profession!
 
was thinking of buying a touch bar 13 2017 .how likely are we to see a kabylake refresh/coffelake in the 28 watt macbook pro with touch bar with quad core?
 
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was thinking of buying a touch bar 13 2017 .how likely are we to see a kabylake refresh/coffelake in the 28 watt macbook pro with touch bar with quad core?

Nobody can answer that. But if it were me I would at least wait until the September iPhone 8 event and see if anything happens then.
 
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was thinking of buying a touch bar 13 2017 .how likely are we to see a kabylake refresh/coffelake in the 28 watt macbook pro with touch bar with quad core?
Reasonably likely, eventually? Depends on how long you're willing to wait, I suppose. If Apple sticks to its historic ~8 month refresh then we should be seeing the next gen pros in early 2018, and quite possibly another refresh in late 2018 (dependent on Intel releasing appropriate 8th and 9th gen chips on time) equally, they could go back to a yearly cycle, and it'll be June before we even see the 8th gen chips in whatever form they take.
 
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Reasonably likely, eventually? Depends on how long you're willing to wait, I suppose. If Apple sticks to its historic ~8 month refresh then we should be seeing the next gen pros in early 2018, and quite possibly another refresh in late 2018 (dependent on Intel releasing appropriate 8th and 9th gen chips on time) equally, they could go back to a yearly cycle, and it'll be June before we even see the 8th gen chips in whatever form they take.
It could also be a phased in refresh. 13 inch MacBook Pro's first, then 15 inch MacBook Pro's in June. It would be such a long wait though. I think its reasonable enough to see updates by Early March 2018.
 
It could also be a phased in refresh. 13 inch MacBook Pro's first, then 15 inch MacBook Pro's in June. It would be such a long wait though. I think its reasonable enough to see updates by Early March 2018.

I agree it will be a phased update - simply because thats how the chips will become available. However, I think the schedule will be sooner than next June. There is simply no way Apple can ignore this that long - Dell, Acer, Lenovo etc launch quad-core 13" laptops in a couple of weeks. 40% higher performance without loss of battery remember. No way they can not respond to that.
 
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It could also be a phased in refresh. 13 inch MacBook Pro's first, then 15 inch MacBook Pro's in June. It would be such a long wait though. I think its reasonable enough to see updates by Early March 2018.
That does have precedent with the 2015s, though in that case they didn't end up updating the chips anyway for the 15". On that note, why they didn't subsequently bump it to broadwell, either in early 2016 (they had plenty of time to squeeze a whole generation in between mid '15 and late '16) or even quietly alongside the late 16s (again, this is precedented by the retina/ non retina 2012s) when they must have known it was staying around for another 2 years + seems odd.
 
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I agree it will be a phased update - simply because thats how the chips will become available. However, I think the schedule will be sooner than next June. There is simply no way Apple can ignore this that long - Dell, Acer, Lenovo etc launch quad-core 13" laptops in a couple of weeks. 40% higher performance without loss of battery remember. No way they can not respond to that.

By "in a copy of weeks", when will that be? I am considering to buy a new laptop in about a month.
 
By "in a copy of weeks", when will that be? I am considering to buy a new laptop in about a month.

I don't know exactly. I was watching the intel announcement and they said the cpus' are available immediately and that manufacturers would be retailing machines by September. Thats as much as I know. List of upcoming machines with the new cpu's being maintained here: http://www.ultrabookreview.com/17655-coffee-lake-laptops/
 
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I'm not at all sure those low power quad cores will be great performers... Their base clock speeds are really low - in the range of the MacBook - a little better, but not much. Their power budget per core is also much more similar to the MacBook chips than anything we have seen in a 13" or 15" MBP. 4 cores at 1.6 gHz will not perform anywhere near as well as 2 at 3.2 gHz - all else (efficiency) being equal. No application has perfect multithreading- the performance gain of a quad core on an average workload is more like 40% better than a same speed dual than twice as fast. The base clock hit is more than that, so unless these chips have very good boost potential and are operating above base clock much of the time, they may actually be slower than the 28 watt dual cores at most tasks.
 
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