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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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Nothings a certainty, unlike the 15W chips announced, the 28W chips weren’t leaked a year ago. The only other quad-core chips leaked were 18W H-series, but they were cancelled in December. A lot has changed since then and right now it does seem like all if not most U-Series i5 and i7 chips will be quad-core. It’s not a case of introducing new quad-core models, these are the next generation and they happen to be quad core. Six core is the new quad-core in terms of Intel processors and the H-series and desktop will be receiving those bumps. So, since this is an all around bump in cores, it wouldn’t make sense to exclude the chips with GT3e graphics. If it’s not possible due to certain constraints, we may not see them at all. I’m rambling on, but the point it we’ll find out about the 28W chips later this year, probably quite soon, and it’s safe to assume we’ll see quad-core + GT3e graphics, but not confirmed by any leaks.
I guess you will still need a MacBook Pro 15' for video and 3D, but for Photoshop and most other applications, it seems the new Kaby Lake refresh will be up to the task.
http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/i...ke-specs-performance-and-detailed-benchmarks/
In Cinebench R15 Multi 64bit it will perform around the same level as a Sandy Bridge desktop CPU, but be on par with 7700 desktop on single thread
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-8550U-SoC-Benchmarks-and-Specs.242108.0.html
Sandy Bridge 2500k benchmark
http://browser.geekbench.com/geekbench3/2386720
also
"Intel has confirmed that at least some of these will be 10nm parts, implying that they're using the next generation Cannonlake architecture. The most likely candidates here are the smallest Y-series processors, as this would maximize yield on the new 10nm process. As such, the "8th generation" will span Kaby Lake refresh, Coffee Lake, and Cannonlake, built on 14+, 14++, and 10nm processes. It all means the "8th generation" label is not very meaningful at all."
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...essors-are-just-updated-7th-generation-chips/
Rush job?
http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/i...ke-specs-performance-and-detailed-benchmarks/
In Cinebench R15 Multi 64bit it will perform around the same level as a Sandy Bridge desktop CPU, but be on par with 7700 desktop on single thread
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-8550U-SoC-Benchmarks-and-Specs.242108.0.html
Sandy Bridge 2500k benchmark
http://browser.geekbench.com/geekbench3/2386720
also
"Intel has confirmed that at least some of these will be 10nm parts, implying that they're using the next generation Cannonlake architecture. The most likely candidates here are the smallest Y-series processors, as this would maximize yield on the new 10nm process. As such, the "8th generation" will span Kaby Lake refresh, Coffee Lake, and Cannonlake, built on 14+, 14++, and 10nm processes. It all means the "8th generation" label is not very meaningful at all."
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...essors-are-just-updated-7th-generation-chips/
Rush job?
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Yes, but the question here is: what about the 15W processors with integrated GT3e graphics for the 13" MacBook pro without touch bar? Will these be cannonlake?
Should I buy now the MacBook pro because the nTB will end it's existence? I can't stand the touchbar.
Should I buy now the MacBook pro because the nTB will end it's existence? I can't stand the touchbar.
The i5 8350U would bring a significant decrease in graphics performance if implemented in the nTB MacBook Pro. I doubt Apple would be willing to make this kind of sacrifice. None of the currently released 8th Gen Intel CPUs make sense for Apple's Pro lineup. They will have to wait...
This could perhaps be used in a MacBook Air refresh, but I sort of doubt that is on the way...
Agreed. Apple has already shown in the past that they will hold out for iris graphics.
So, then, which Intel CPU architecture can we expect to be the next 15W with GT3e graphics? Coffee lake is only for bigger TDPs and Cannonlake is for TDPs under 15W...
This whole 3 architecture in the same gen is a mess... They don't want to lose the train with Ryzen, but they don't have the next architecture ready yet, that's why they mashed up more cores with same Kaby Lake architecture.
I'm pretty sure there will be either a CFL or CNL variant next year with GT3e graphics. Which would make sense for a possible spring refresh, most likely WWDC refresh.
Whenever intel releases the 28w variant with better graphics and apple has time to embed in their hardware after. My guess is not until 2018 at the earliest. I'm trying to hold out for AV1 hardware decode, but that probably won't be until 2019 =/. Might cave in and pick up the first quad core 13" model in 2018.
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Apple will have it ahead of release - if they don't have already. But what I'm wondering is do the new chips fit the same motherboards ? If not big job to update, if they are plug and play with existing motherboards then very easy to update the MBP
I think the infos that surfaced in November 2016 will reveal quite accurate, but maybe intel accelerated a bit its schedule:
https://benchlife.info/intel-coffee-lake-with-14nm-process-will-launch-2018-11192016
First U-series 4+3e chips were not expected before 2018 and it was planned to be CFL 14nm++ and not KBL-R (we can also note the 50% die size inflation from the KBL-R 4+2).
I still suppose these will be 28W chips, so if Apple plans to use the 15W 4+2 KBL-R chips for segmentation in the low-end non-TB Macbook [Pro] 13", I hardly see them update this laptop with a (poor man's) quad core and leave the higher-end rMBP13 with TB on dual core 6+ months before to get quads with Iris.
So it seems logical to expect a scenario with at best quads in every 13" all at once in early '18, and then later in mid '18 an upgrade of the rMBP15 once intel release the proper 6+2 H-Series chips (kind of like schedule of the Broadwell period but this time with intel getting its sh*t together and Apple using the last generation in every models).
https://benchlife.info/intel-coffee-lake-with-14nm-process-will-launch-2018-11192016
First U-series 4+3e chips were not expected before 2018 and it was planned to be CFL 14nm++ and not KBL-R (we can also note the 50% die size inflation from the KBL-R 4+2).
I still suppose these will be 28W chips, so if Apple plans to use the 15W 4+2 KBL-R chips for segmentation in the low-end non-TB Macbook [Pro] 13", I hardly see them update this laptop with a (poor man's) quad core and leave the higher-end rMBP13 with TB on dual core 6+ months before to get quads with Iris.
So it seems logical to expect a scenario with at best quads in every 13" all at once in early '18, and then later in mid '18 an upgrade of the rMBP15 once intel release the proper 6+2 H-Series chips (kind of like schedule of the Broadwell period but this time with intel getting its sh*t together and Apple using the last generation in every models).
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That fact that they accelerated this so much, no doubt in response to Rhyzen, makes me wonder if intel have been deliberately keeping progress slow in the last few years!
If the quad cores in the 15" must have fans spinning at 2000 rpm constantly, I guess the amount of throttling in a quad core 15 watt must be pretty present due to smaller chassis and more cores operating at higher clock speeds.
This first batch of 8th generation CPUs from Intel seem to be a mixed bag and a rapid response to AMDs Ryzen. I don't think we are seeing the polished product we all want this time. Cannon Lake may be the final step for quad cores to fit comfortably in the new MacBook Pro 13" with a complete 10nm manufacturing process.
from wiki
Cannonlake was initially expected to be released in 2016, but the release was pushed back to 2018.[4] Intel demonstrated a laptop with an unknown Cannonlake CPU at CES 2017[5][6] and announced that Cannonlake based products will be available in 2018 at the earliest.[7] Before Cannonlake's launch, Intel is expected to launch another 14 nm process refinement with the codename Coffee Lake.
With the delays and AMD going in full attack, I guess Intel had to make some response, but I believe the final product we all want to see is coming late 2018 at best, with Coffee Lake not being released this autumn.
This first batch of 8th generation CPUs from Intel seem to be a mixed bag and a rapid response to AMDs Ryzen. I don't think we are seeing the polished product we all want this time. Cannon Lake may be the final step for quad cores to fit comfortably in the new MacBook Pro 13" with a complete 10nm manufacturing process.
from wiki
Cannonlake was initially expected to be released in 2016, but the release was pushed back to 2018.[4] Intel demonstrated a laptop with an unknown Cannonlake CPU at CES 2017[5][6] and announced that Cannonlake based products will be available in 2018 at the earliest.[7] Before Cannonlake's launch, Intel is expected to launch another 14 nm process refinement with the codename Coffee Lake.
With the delays and AMD going in full attack, I guess Intel had to make some response, but I believe the final product we all want to see is coming late 2018 at best, with Coffee Lake not being released this autumn.
I mean over 18 years ago, new MBP with new chips were available for purchase when the new chips were announced.
Maybe, non-touchbar users will have to wait until 2019 ice lake? Too much wait...
By the way, I have a question for the forum: do you consider as a possibility Apple stop selling the 13" non-touchbar version? Because if that happens I should purchase one of them ASAP.
By the way, I have a question for the forum: do you consider as a possibility Apple stop selling the 13" non-touchbar version? Because if that happens I should purchase one of them ASAP.
I'm waiting for apple to bring back magsafe or do wireless charging. A usb charged laptop is called a "netbook" and I'm not paying 4k for a netbook.
If they do stop selling it it would presumably be int he refurb store for a while.
No way they wait till 2019 to upgrade. In a matter of weeks, most of the PC manufacturers will be selling quad-core 13" laptops. No way Apple can ignore that for long
The wait for a new macbook is killing me!
I'd bet against that, but we'll see. There's some slim possibility that they'd put them in non-TB models, but no way they'd do it for the pros. With that said they didn't put the weaker graphics kaby lake chips in them in the past, so not sure that they'd do it now. An extra 2 cores is a big marketing statement, but Apple can just release 4 months later or whatever. No Apple user is going to switch to a PC laptop when they know they'll end up w/ that chip anyway just a bit later.
I'd bet against that, but we'll see. There's some slim possibility that they'd put them in non-TB models, but no way they'd do it for the pros. With that said they didn't put the weaker graphics kaby lake chips in them in the past, so not sure that they'd do it now. An extra 2 cores is a big marketing statement, but Apple can just release 4 months later or whatever. No Apple user is going to switch to a PC laptop when they know they'll end up w/ that chip anyway just a bit later.
Just thinking,correct me if i'm wrong,this could be the way Apple wants to segment the notebook's line?
I mean Macbook with low powered chip,Air with latest dual and only dual,13 Pro with quad and 15 with quad-esacore?
According this former Apple employee, new MacBooks might be coming this fall. Macrumors linked the article on their blog.
The current laptop line forces users to pay for the Touch Bar on the higher end devices whether they want it or not, and that’s a cost users shouldn’t need to pay for a niche technology without a future. So Apple needs to either roll the Touch Bar out to the entire line and convince us we want it, or roll it back and offer more laptop options without it. I’m going to be curious what they do if/when they announce updated Laptops this fall.
https://chuqui.com/2017/08/the-life-and-death-of-the-touch-bar-revisiting-the-macbook-pro/
The current laptop line forces users to pay for the Touch Bar on the higher end devices whether they want it or not, and that’s a cost users shouldn’t need to pay for a niche technology without a future. So Apple needs to either roll the Touch Bar out to the entire line and convince us we want it, or roll it back and offer more laptop options without it. I’m going to be curious what they do if/when they announce updated Laptops this fall.
https://chuqui.com/2017/08/the-life-and-death-of-the-touch-bar-revisiting-the-macbook-pro/
If any Apple product people / designers / engineers are reading, here's what I'd really like to see that I think is reasonable for future generations:
- touchbar should always be optional
- all models of macbook pro should have the quieter 2-fan option
- with the size of RAM and NVME SSD's, there's no reason we shouldn't be able to get these as user replaceable - you're not saving any space. Combined with a smaller battery size, these laptops are becoming much more disposable.
- don't differentiate wifi across models either - most users won't realize this
- as for ports, I don't need tons, but providing a minimum of 2 USB-C ports should be mandatory (charger+mouse). I'm not opposed to using a hub when a monitor is attached. It also complicates using USB thumb drives because you'll have to unattach your power charger or mouse to use one.
- 256gb should be the minimum base model SSD size. 128gb is a joke
- Do whatever you can to keep noise down. I realize with 6 core chips + faster igpus coming out this is going to be tough, but nothing frustrates me more than a loud laptop. Support hardware decoding for all codecs (HEVC, VP9, and AVI1 when it comes out, even if it competes with your precious HEVC codec)
- touchbar should always be optional
- all models of macbook pro should have the quieter 2-fan option
- with the size of RAM and NVME SSD's, there's no reason we shouldn't be able to get these as user replaceable - you're not saving any space. Combined with a smaller battery size, these laptops are becoming much more disposable.
- don't differentiate wifi across models either - most users won't realize this
- as for ports, I don't need tons, but providing a minimum of 2 USB-C ports should be mandatory (charger+mouse). I'm not opposed to using a hub when a monitor is attached. It also complicates using USB thumb drives because you'll have to unattach your power charger or mouse to use one.
- 256gb should be the minimum base model SSD size. 128gb is a joke
- Do whatever you can to keep noise down. I realize with 6 core chips + faster igpus coming out this is going to be tough, but nothing frustrates me more than a loud laptop. Support hardware decoding for all codecs (HEVC, VP9, and AVI1 when it comes out, even if it competes with your precious HEVC codec)
They might be working on making the entire keyboard a touchbar. They are on the right track with force touch, it feels exactly the same as a click. The next logical step is make all the keyboard buttons like that.