Waiting for the 2018 MBP

[HerbertDerb]

Wow, you can order Core i9 version with 2TB SSD, 32GB RAM and 4K display for 3500 EUR from Dell.de store. That's like 1500 EUR less than the full spec MBP (with more than one year old processor and 16GB RAM). I know specs are not everything, but man... I wish those XPS computers have 16:10 display without that ugly bottom bezel.

In Finland price for 15" Dell (4K, i9, 1tb and 32gb) is 3099€
Price of max out MBP 15" (1tb, old i7 4,1ghz and 560) is 4099€

Prices in Europe are absurd for Macs.... You are paying 1000€ more for MacOS, including outdated hardware

(all trough i have heard that Dell XPS line screens does have backlight etc. issues) don't know if they fixed that with new lineup, but still....

 

[OzyOly]

I’m getting mighty tempted by Dell XPS 13 and Debian.
I would miss iTunes for TV and Movies though...

 

[Ma2k5]

In Finland price for 15" Dell (4K, i9, 1tb and 32gb) is 3099€
Price of max out MBP 15" (1tb, old i7 4,1ghz and 560) is 4099€

Prices in Europe are absurd for Macs.... You are paying 1000€ more for MacOS, including outdated hardware

(all trough i have heard that Dell XPS line screens does have backlight etc. issues) don't know if they fixed that with new lineup, but still....

Actually it is more than 1000 euro's. Dell always discount the listed price. I've never paid listed price. Getting 10-15% off a machine at Dell is not uncommon.

 

[pasadena]

I’m getting mighty tempted by Dell XPS 13 and Debian.
I would miss iTunes for TV and Movies though...

Me too. I've spent a few hours reading reviews this week-end, and unless Apple makes a new MBP before end of August, I'll get the XPS13 with Windows (and SuSe if I can).

 

[afir93]

Actually it is more than 1000 euro's. Dell always discount the listed price. I've never paid listed price. Getting 10-15% off a machine at Dell is not uncommon.

Yeah but the 2017 MBPs are also available for a good amount cheaper nowadays with many retailers, which should at least equal out if not exceed the Dell discounts. So 1000€ difference is probably relatively accurate even when comparing discounted models (though it might be a bit less difference then since I'd rather expect the MBP discounts to be larger at their current age).

Don't get me wrong, that is an alarmingly large difference for the specs you get, but let's not factor in discounts of only one of the two products we're comparing and ignore the discounts for the other one.

 

[schalliol]

I'm gonna be starting grad school soon and so I'm in the market for a new laptop. As a Mac user for the past decade getting a MacBook Pro seemed like a no-brainer until I started reading about all of the keyboard issues people have been having as well as the fact that Apple didn't update the lineup at WWDC like I had been expecting.

I'm still holding out hope that we see an update sometime in July but if we don't and frankly even if we do but it's just a spec update I don't know if I'll be willing to make the purchase. I've been looking at Dell's XPS lineup and they have some awesome stuff at a really good price which is making me actually consider buying a Windows machine again.

Mac Hopeful, if you don't need insane performance, buy a used MBP this summer if they haven't released a new one, and go ahead and upgrade if it's not working for you. You also could buy on a credit card that gives you price protection, as if new ones come out, what you buy will reduce in cost. Apple is great about service, and if there are continuing keyboard issues, they'll help customers out that have trouble. I've had some out of warranty repairs done multiple times.

Unless you need the craziest 3D performance, there's a good Mac option out there, and you're better off with it!

 

[Polaroid]

Come on Apple! I need to upgrade my 17 inch, its falling apart and getting so hot Dont wanna buy a year old model... come onnnnnn

 

[Queen6]

Yeah but the 2017 MBPs are also available for a good amount cheaper nowadays with many retailers, which should at least equal out if not exceed the Dell discounts. So 1000€ difference is probably relatively accurate even when comparing discounted models (though it might be a bit less difference then since I'd rather expect the MBP discounts to be larger at their current age).

Don't get me wrong, that is an alarmingly large difference for the specs you get, but let's not factor in discounts of only one of the two products we're comparing and ignore the discounts for the other one.

What's most alarming is the new Dell's with 8th Gen hex core CPU's will be a minimum of 40% faster computationally, for some professional's that's very much a factor...

Personally not a fan of Dell, equally the 2018 XPS 15 has few flaws. I'd like to see the i9 8950HK perform better, however given the form factor it's still hitting hard. With a CPU undervolt applied very likely to pull some seriously strong numbers.

Maybe Apple should start rebranding it's iMac's as the "new" 2018 MBP, least the performance will be equal to it's PC notebook counterparts, you'll need a big bag mind Apple and the Mac is beyond embarrassing at this point in time, over 40% less performant, combined with paying over 30% more, as my father would say "fools and their money"...

This is a consumer product thrown into the professional mix, that literally pays for itself on a daily basis thx to robust performance & design, with the numbers speaking for themselves.

Apple we're all waiting with baited breath No, not really, you've already wasted far too much of our time...

Q-6​

 

[Falhófnir]

Come on Apple! I need to upgrade my 17 inch, its falling apart and getting so hot Dont wanna buy a year old model... come onnnnnn

Apart from the iPhone Apple seem well and truly underway on going to multi-year refresh cycles on their products, and also leaving several-year-old ones on sale with no price adjustment. Unfortunately, buying a year (or more) older computer for full price seems to be the way the future is going

 

[Queen6]

Apart from the iPhone Apple seem well and truly underway on going to multi-year refresh cycles on their products, and also leaving several-year-old ones on sale with no price adjustment. Unfortunately, buying a year (or more) older computer for full price seems to be the way the future is going

Sorry no, not for me. Pricing is one thing, performance entirely another, the latter being a factor of revenue for many. A big factor now is Apple has to be literally shamed into reacting, then only to ignore & disregard the same product which is clearly concerning.

"We" also believe that Apple is looking to move to it's own CPU's again. If so Apple deeply investing in Intel's platform likely makes little sense at this point in time. If this is the case, doing as little as possible potentially makes sense, and given Apple's target audience I can see ARM Mac's fitting right in...

Brings no joy as it is, what it is

Q-6

 

[socialwill]

Apart from the iPhone Apple seem well and truly underway on going to multi-year refresh cycles on their products, and also leaving several-year-old ones on sale with no price adjustment. Unfortunately, buying a year (or more) older computer for full price seems to be the way the future is going

The good news is you can get a MBP for several hundreds off from various retailers in the US, so that does help make up for the hardware on the MBP side.

 

[meme1255]

The good news is you can get a MBP for several hundreds off from various retailers in the US, so that does help make up for the hardware on the MBP side.

It does not. Not this time.

 

[Ma2k5]

Yeah but the 2017 MBPs are also available for a good amount cheaper nowadays with many retailers, which should at least equal out if not exceed the Dell discounts. So 1000€ difference is probably relatively accurate even when comparing discounted models (though it might be a bit less difference then since I'd rather expect the MBP discounts to be larger at their current age).

Don't get me wrong, that is an alarmingly large difference for the specs you get, but let's not factor in discounts of only one of the two products we're comparing and ignore the discounts for the other one.

Not the case in the UK, I did notice quite a lot of discounting in the USA. We do get discounts but it’s very limited.

 

[Queen6]

Not the case in the UK, I did notice quite a lot of discounting in the USA. We do get discounts but it’s very limited.

Outside the US discounts on Mac's are very "far and few between" one can expect to pay full price irrespective of age. As a business "customer" I was afforded discount, equally Apple crippling it's hardware negates any such discount, let alone the current reliability issues with the MBP...

Q-6

 

[spicy_guy]

Not the case in the UK, I did notice quite a lot of discounting in the USA. We do get discounts but it’s very limited.

Where actually you saw "quite a lot of discounting in the USA". I do not see that.

 

[richinaus]

They are always on sale in Australia throughout the year - normally 10% off, and are right now. Only exception is the imacpro.
This does also tend to apply to brand new hardware, and have seen the MBP on sale even if recently updated - doesn't seem to make any difference.
Having said that the new RazorBlade 15" is super tempting to me. May get one in a few months and ditch the imacpro if it is fast enough [which I think it may well be]. Hello windows for productivity, Mac for my consumer life [at home].

 

[spicy_guy]

A week after ordering 2017 MBP 15 inch, I cancelled it today. It is supposed to delivered tomorrow. I just wanted to wait and see what 2018 MBP brings in (Hopefully keyboard issues fixed). If they increase the price for 2018, then I will probably buy 2017 MBP bit cheaper.

 

[A_ardvark]

A week after ordering 2017 MBP 15 inch, I cancelled it today. It is supposed to delivered tomorrow. I just wanted to wait and see what 2018 MBP brings in (Hopefully keyboard issues fixed). If they increase the price for 2018, then I will probably buy 2017 MBP bit cheaper.

I made the same decision back in January....it's been a long wait!

 

[RickyMartin2019]

Is there any chance/precedence of new MBPs being announced by the end of August? Or will we have to wait at least until the iPhone launch event in September?

 

[dgdosen]

on the positive side, the longer the wait, the more likely Apple gets around to doing more than a spec bump:

- better keyboard
- return of magsafe
- led lit apple logo

 

[NBAasDOGG]

on the positive side, the longer the wait, the more likely Apple gets around to doing more than a spec bump:

- better keyboard
- return of magsafe
- led lit apple logo

Led lit Apple logo so that you can show the poor you own a Apple product at Starbucks? MURICA logic!

What’s the point of the Led lit logo if it’s pointing to the other direction?

 

[JSt83]

Led lit Apple logo so that you can show the poor you own a Apple product at Starbucks? MURICA logic!

What’s the point of the Led lit logo if it’s pointing to the other direction?

It's just an iconic part of the MacBook design. Personally I can go without, but I get why people like it. Doesn't necessarily has anything to do with showing off, nor with Starbucks or "Murica".

 

[Mr. Dee]

Led lit Apple logo so that you can show the poor you own a Apple product at Starbucks? MURICA logic!

What’s the point of the Led lit logo if it’s pointing to the other direction?

Its definitely a status symbol thing. My brother got the 2017 and its all he seems to complain about - not having the backlit logo.

I think the only times I have seen mine is when I walk from one room to another. The middle room has a mirror so I see it.

I think its more of a loss to Apple than the user to be honest. You couldn't buy advertising like that. There was just something about it that made a Mac stand out in a room to an almost drastic effect. I remember a student at a institution I was studying at using a first gen MBP in the cafeteria. It immediately caught my eye the minute I walked in.

 

[cool11]

Its definitely a status symbol thing. My brother got the 2017 and its all he seems to complain about - not having the backlit logo.

I think the only times I have seen mine is when I walk from one room to another. The middle room has a mirror so I see it.

I think its more of a loss to Apple than the user to be honest. You couldn't buy advertising like that. There was just something about it that made a Mac stand out in a room to an almost drastic effect. I remember a student at a institution I was studying at using a first gen MBP in the cafeteria. It immediately caught my eye the minute I walked in.

Exactly.
I have said it before, I will say it again. Apple losing focus.

Of course it is more loss on Apple's side, as just remember how many movies/concerts you have seen with macbooks and their glowing logo. You could tell it is a mac, from far beyond!
Now you will never see it again.
So, who is losing now?

I really wonder how shortsighted they are...
Ok, Steve was one and only, but I hoped that this company would do better that this.
No vision, minimal innovation, strange decisions, and much more.

Yes, it is not just the glowing logo, it is that they do many wrong things, even if they have documentation that they did it right...

 

[Ma2k5]

It was when Apple decided to stop providing the extension power cable with the MacBooks (you have to now buy them separately at ~$20) that you realised that Apple are losing their way. Now you have to enjoy feeling some electric current/static everytime you use your laptop while its charging. Lovely!