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Apple decided to stop providing the extension power cable
It used to be the small touches that was built into the Mac or items provided. The start up gong, these things were such that it made a mac a mac if you get what I'm saying. Now its just a commodity and Apple is looking to squeeze the profits from it. The only way Apple will change is if sales decrease
 
It used to be the small touches that was built into the Mac or items provided. The start up gong, these things were such that it made a mac a mac if you get what I'm saying. Now its just a commodity and Apple is looking to squeeze the profits from it. The only way Apple will change is if sales decrease
I don’t see how removing the startup gong is a money saving endeavour or whatever. It’s probably because the gong is annoying in a meeting or library, or if someone is sleeping nearby.
 
I don’t see how removing the startup gong is a money saving endeavour or whatever. It’s probably because the gong is annoying in a meeting or library, or if someone is sleeping nearby.

I still have it. Was it forcibly removed from newer models rather than via software update?
 
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I still have it. Was it forcibly removed from newer models rather than via software update?
I've never had it, probably because I always silence my machines and just turn the sound on when I need it (I've always found audible notifications from computers annoying, so one of the first things I do is turn them all off).

I've a couple of the extension leads from current and earlier chargers, so as long as they still fit I'll be good. I agree with Mike that this is just commoditisation and trying to claw back a few pennies (or make more, since they charge a ridiculous amount for the lead). But on the flip side it's now just a replaceable USB lead between the charger and the Macbook, as opposed to a thin, fixed cable with weak cladding that invariably splits and sooner or later requires a replacement charger. It was such an obvious fault, and must have been well understood by them, that I always assumed the reason the cable wasn't made replaceable was because they made more money from replacement chargers (and to hell with the environmental cost of that).
 
What do you think is it worth waiting for the vega mobile GPUs? I'm thinking about the TDP, because the Radeon Pro 560 tops at 35W and probably the Vega won't be more. What can we expect? 10-15% increase?
 
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No, I mean recently where the macs are virtually sealed. Just look at what it takes to replace the battery, it requires a whole new top case. Apple is intent on making these disposable appliances.
Apple addressed this years ago. They will replace it out of warranty for US$199. No need to repurchase a brand new machine.

https://support.apple.com/mac/repair/service

That was the same argument used for the iPhone not having a removable battery, but Apple will replace it for $79.
 
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No, I mean recently where the macs are virtually sealed. Just look at what it takes to replace the battery, it requires a whole new top case. Apple is intent on making these disposable appliances.

Ties right into how Apple cares so deeply for the environment and recycling. /s

One of my coworkers lost her MBP charger and drove an hour to the Apple store to buy another one. When she reached home she realised it doesn’t come with a cable! The cable has to be bought separately!

It’s another way to nickel and dime you for everything.
 
What do you think is it worth waiting for the vega mobile GPUs? I'm thinking about the TDP, because the Radeon Pro 560 tops at 35W and probably the Vega won't be more. What can we expect? 10-15% increase?
In terms of games...

Yes and No. Games in the current generation (2013-2020?) are treating the Xbox One as the hardware requirement baseline. In the computer gaming world this translates to a competent quad-core CPU and a GeForce 660. The MacBook Pro, when equipped with the the Radeon Pro 555, is just on this threshold. When equipped with the Radeon Pro 560, it exceeds it. So it is possible to buy an MBP today that will be able to manage gaming for a few years (assuming you don’t mind turning down the settings a bit...luckily 1680x1050 still looks pretty good on a 15” screen). It’ll just cost you a pretty penny to do so. Big advantage of waiting for a potential Vega refresh is that sure, it’ll pull in at least a little more performance at the high end, but more importantly the cheaper mid-level spec should see a welcome boost as well.

Generally speaking, the 15” MBP is almost never loaded out with a GPU that could be described as ‘better-than-midrange’ for its generation. The TDP more or less forces this to be the case. But as long as you can get a feel for what’s coming and what the spec requirements will be, that doesn’t have to get in the way of enjoying the hobby. :)
 
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On the one hand, the charging cable is just a standard USB-C cable so normally I could understand it not being included with the Apple charger if purchased as an accessory.

On the other hand, Apple charges so damn much for the chargers that I think they should include the extra USB-C cable. Otherwise decrease the price of the charger.

For me it's not an issue though, since my MacBook 12" charges just fine with the iPad chargers I already have. I have a bunch of extra third party USB-A to USB-C cables, so that works out well. It charges slower with an iPad charger, but fast enough to be acceptable for secondary MacBook chargers around the house or at work. Plus, the iPad charger is smaller and lighter. I don't think it would work for a MacBook Pro though. Even if it did work, it'd be way too slow.
 
On the subject of thinness, I don't think the 2016-17 trackpads offer as much of a tactile response as the 2015 trackpad with Force Touch (which I loved). I notice too they removed the "audible" click option from preferences. This didn't actually make the "click" very loud but had the effect of increasing the tactile response somewhat.

Yet another casualty in Ive/Cook's waif-obsession; waifsession if you will.

I've decided I'm not buying any significant Apple product until Tim Cook leaves Apple. Let's start a thread for that. I bet it'll reach 1000 pages! Strike! :p
 
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One of my coworkers lost her MBP charger and drove an hour to the Apple store to buy another one. When she reached home she realised it doesn’t come with a cable! The cable has to be bought separately!

It’s another way to nickel and dime you for everything.
iCloud free tier is still 5 GB, same as in 2011. 50 GB costs €0.99 a month. That's €12 a year, or €24 per average lifetime of an iPhone. But I guess that trillion dollars has to come from somewhere, right?

(Not from me, because I got pissed off and moved over to Google Drive, and I haven't bought a phone without microSD slot for six years and counting.)
 
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It used to be the small touches that was built into the Mac or items provided. The start up gong, these things were such that it made a mac a mac if you get what I'm saying. Now its just a commodity and Apple is looking to squeeze the profits from it. The only way Apple will change is if sales decrease

I agree about the chime, but you can add it back I believe. Take into account though, its pretty loud, especially when you are in a quiet room. They could have gone back to the original ding like like elevator sounding chime, which is much shorter, but make it sharper. Its more conservative and even more classic.

The current chime reminds me of the song Drive by the The Cars.

The removal of such cult symbols though is another sign of how much iOS devices have come to influence most of Apples product lines. The Mac has gone from being a hub to just one of many devices. iCloud is now the Hub, the Mac is just a node among many we use.
 
Sorry no, not for me. Pricing is one thing, performance entirely another, the latter being a factor of revenue for many. A big factor now is Apple has to be literally shamed into reacting, then only to ignore & disregard the same product which is clearly concerning.

"We" also believe that Apple is looking to move to it's own CPU's again. If so Apple deeply investing in Intel's platform likely makes little sense at this point in time. If this is the case, doing as little as possible potentially makes sense, and given Apple's target audience I can see ARM Mac's fitting right in...

Brings no joy as it is, what it is :(

Q-6
Definitely feels like an erosion of experience when combined with what’s said below about the nickel and diming (I’m still sore over the power cord, who plugs the entire brick into the wall ffs, those 87W ones are huge and heavy to be hanging out a socket!)

The HP Spectre X360 is looking increasingly tempting at the moment with Apple’s rotten attitude to product design and going full throttle on the profiteering...
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The good news is you can get a MBP for several hundreds off from various retailers in the US, so that does help make up for the hardware on the MBP side.
John Lewis often have £1-200 off but that’s peanuts on a £2.5k machine and I really want 512GB storage so that’s either a build to order or the higher end stock configuration which is £2,700 sans discount. Considering comparable machines from other manufacturers are available for about £1,000 less I’m seriously wobbling on whether I want to indulge myself in MacOS at any cost... Apple need to look at what their lineup is offering and fix it - at the moment the 12-13” ultraportable thin and light is massively over served by 4 separate models in dozens of configurations while the only 15” models are trying to cover everything from those who just want a decent computer with a larger screen to those that need a workstation and aren’t really suited to either.
 
You know, I think I once read in one edition of David Pogue's Mac OS X: The Missing Manual that the Mac startup chime is supposed to go off at full blast regardless of what volume your computer remembers your speakers being at when you last shut down, but, first, that was a while ago in, as evidenced by its title containing the OS's full name from before it got abbreviated prior to being made uniform with those of Apple's other OSes, a relatively old version of the book, and, second, I've often heard this little bit of documentation contradicted by machine firmware, so take that for what it's worth. On another note (pun only partially intended,) sudo nvram BootAudio=%01 from an administrator account should do the trick (and disabling the newer MacBook Pro's auto-boot functionality similarly only takes a run of sudo nvram AutoBoot=%00 if you're annoyed by that, too.)
 
I agree about the chime, but you can add it back I believe.
Sadly, no.

On older hardware, past a certain version of OS X macOS, it is actively disabled but can be re-enlabled through a terminal command. On newer hardware however, its been removed entirely.
 
OK guys, i have to be honest with you all. i got a 2017 15" macbook pro fall of last year and its been a great upgrade compared to my previous 2013 macbook air. However, I went on a trip with my parents recently and decided to leave my laptop at home (I guess this was a sign already) since my dad mentioned he would bring his (2012 rMBP).

...I liked the 2012 rMBP better in terms of the feeling of the trackpad and keys. even though I'm fine with the butterfly keyboard, going back to the chiclet after 7-8 months was quite telling. it felt like going back home despite my 2017 being my daily driver. i refuse to buy a 2015 since its 3 year-old hardware so i feel like i'm just /stuck/ with my 2017 which is by no means a bad computer. but the 2012+ rMBPs just feel better to use. i don't even have a problem with the trackpad size, just the fact that theres no real click. i'm sure this is because apple wanted to make the 15" 0.01 inches thinner or whatever

of course incremental upgrades in the CPU and display quality can't be compared between computers 5 years apart but using my 2017 now just feels different (definitely not as good). apple has really dropped the ball with regards to the mac lately.
 
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