Well no - its what happens when you fit 4 cores in instead of 2. Actually its not that impressive when you think about it. But it is likely to be the biggest single year jump for some time. They are not going to increase cores again in next few years - they will simply optimise the quad-core's and hexcores for few years to come and we will be back to 10%-12% annual improvements (if that).
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Well no - its what happens when you fit 4 cores in instead of 2. Actually its not that impressive when you think about it. But it is likely to be the biggest single year jump for some time. They are not going to increase cores again in next few years - they will simply optimise the quad-core's and hexcores for few years to come and we will be back to 10%-12% annual improvements (if that).
That's okay, sorry for being so blunt in my response, I guess my anger lies with Intel for such a messy lineup. If you're not following every detail it becomes almost impossible to know what's going on. Like you say 10nm will likely be 2019 or late 2018 at the earliest, but then it's not coming to desktop until later. I can only imagine how confusing things will get when they go smaller. I'm extremely glad at AMDs success, I hope it continues.
As for GT3e graphics, I remember reading somewhere that there will be U-series model with GT3e graphics, I assume it will be for both 15W and 28W there's no real reason why they wouldn't still offer it but it's an area we should watch closely to see what's going on. Intel aren't telling us much despite this being their biggest step forward in many years.
My prediction;
1. Apple to sell off the Macbook Air only as an educational machine with a huge Student discount thus grabbing market share.
2. Rename the nTB as the Macbook 13, so you have the Macbook 12 and Macbook 13, both dual core, with some discount at the 1000 dollar/euro/pound mark.
3. Put the 8th Quad Cores in the 13inch Pro Laptops with Touchbar.
4. Introduce a non-pro Macbook 15, a quad core entry level 15 inch MBP without dedicated graphics and without TB.
5. Upgrade the 15 inch Macbook Pros with 6 Core processors.
This to me make sense as it divides the products clearly.
Macbooks (nTB) 12",13",15" straightforward laptops.
Macbook Pros (TB) 13" & 15" with additional cores.
I find it funny that people do not see that the graphics actually decreased at the same time when compared to the offering in the current MacBook Pro 13". Why do people overlook that stuff and instead believe the marketing crap?
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hey should make an external keyboard that is also a USB C Hub with HDMI USB ports etcThat would be a great step into making their users either abandon apple computers, or to carry external keyboard around with their MBP
I think you are onto something there.
With regards to the MBP, I agree, I think they will have something like this:
Basline MBP 13" nTB - Dual Core i5, 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD (upgradeable to 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD and CPU upgrades available as well)
Baseline MBP 13" TB - Quad Core i5, 16GB RAM and 256GB SSD (upgradeable to 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD and CPU upgrades available as well)
Baseline MBP 15" TB - Quad Core i5, 16GB and 512GB SSD (upgradeable to 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD and CPU upgrades available as well)
I think they will gradually get rid of the MB Air over the next few years and will try and reduce the price of the MB to replace the Air.
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The Macbook Pros (with TB) will have 16gb standard so to justify jacking up the price. The 15 inch will have a 32gb option.
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I hope they lower the price a lot,a non touchbar with BTO made of i7,16 GB goes over 2000 euros..
it is way too much for a notebook with just two ports ,i mean i could make an investment this year with this entry pro..and next year jump on the 13 quad core...but not those prices, but i fear Cook won't do this both never ... so i will go for a refurbished ,then i'll resell..please Cook..remember YOUR base,make a Mac Pro modular made of mini's
Just give me the 2015 model with a single USB-C added.
Thats all I want.
And Usb-C brings Thunderbolt 3.Yes i agree, i'd be in .
Computing isn't fashion? Nobody but your system report sees how new your computers CPU is.
What are you talking about? Nobody is overlooking anything.
We do not know that they won't offer GT3e graphics, they've only released information about 4 out of many processors. They certainly do not all have Iris graphics, you would know that if you didn't only look at MacBook Pros as a reference.
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Well you're both wrong about the lineup.
So what makes you think we are both wrong? I don't think I will be totally 100% correct, but by going on previous, it seems only logical that the lineup will be something like this. Do you have any other ideas or knowledge otherwise?
We are all wronging here in the meanwhile we try to dream as close we can to what will be
What graphics decrease ? The chips announced so far have GT2 same as their predecessors.
The only decrease we all need is PRICES ....a full 13 pro can't be more than 2000 euros and for a dual core,
not to mention the 15 over 3000...
not to mention the 15 over 3000...
Notebookcheck performance comparison of 8th gen 15W vs. 7th gen: link
The performance difference is way too big for apple NOT to upgrade all models to quad core while every other manufacturer will.
Forget dual cores from now on.
Also, a quote of the review:
The performance difference is way too big for apple NOT to upgrade all models to quad core while every other manufacturer will.
Forget dual cores from now on.
Also, a quote of the review:
I would rather buy dual core at 2.3 ghz than quad cores at 1.6 ghz with thermal throttling at 2.5 Ghz.Not to mention quad cores at 1.6 ghz with GT2e graphic vs dual core 2.3ghz and GT3e
As shown in the link I provided, the new 15W quad is as fast (single threaded) or much faster (multi threaded) than the current dual core 15 W chipp. Maximum performance loss due to throttling is 13,5% when all 4 cores are loaded. This number mostly likely will be much lower if only 2 cores are loaded (i would guess close to no throttling at all). So in what cenario exactly are you concerned that it will be slower?
About the GPU, you are right. EDIT: actually, the quads use GT2, not GT2e, so yeah, even worse.
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Intel 620 vs 640 graphics. Decrease indeed.
People should compare the CPUs to the ones used in the current MacBook Pro which is the 640 part. The new quad core part is only with a 620 GPU, which in fact is slower - much slower (50%!!). More CPU performance but decrease in GPU performance. Not exactly what we want, is it?
I hope you are all happy about quad core when the GUI stutters like crazy because of the crappy GPU. If there is one thing we should not believe, then it is the marketing BS of Intel.
Don't wait for the "magic" new thing by anyone. Or if you do, at least make sure it really is the amazing new thing. It often turns out that it is not.
So you are assuming that the GT3e parts also have 50% increase in CPU performance? Based on what information exactly? You think that Intel can get that kind of performance out of thin air? They decreased the GPU in favor of CPU, that is what they did. To get amazingly great quad core processors into their precious notebooks. Because people always look at Dual Core and Quad Core and don't care about the details about the GPU. At least the general population does not.
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Who said that the chips announced so far are the ones that will go into MBP's ? Nobody did. These are just the first chips in a whole new line of chips, and are the replacement for chips currently going into the rMB, not the MBP. Further ones will be announced with GT3 graphics. Most likely these ones will go in the MBP. It will likely be a silent release intel won't do a big slpash for every new chip in the line.
This. The MBP will be refreshed when quad cores with GT3e graphics come along. When will they? Most likely next year, in time for a spring or summer refresh (personally thinking summer).
That's pretty much all there is to it.
Actually I doubt it will be that far away. For one thing competitors like Dell XPS already moving to quad core. For another I doubt the other chips are that far behind.
This is my biggest question as well - I really want to see how badly these chips throttle in small macbooks. The non-TB ones seem to maintain a 3ghz+ turbo for a rather long time, but that's only dual core.