Waiting for the 2018 MBP

[donster28]

I only see what people post here and a number of them if multiple replacements

My perspective is that I'm paying a premium amount for a premium computer, I don't want to buy one that has a known defect. Apple is selling a defective computer, pure and simple. Apple markets its computer as top of the line and so why give them a pass on this issue

I have no worries about keyboard issues. If mine breaks, I’ll get it fixed. I am after Apple hardware and software integration. I am a videographer and will never use a Windows laptop for what I do, pure and simple.

Apple laptops are still the best looking laptops out there bar none. You can tell me this and that, like how big the bezels are on the MacBooks but they still beat even the most great looking Windows laptop out there. Let’s all try to check our perspective again sometimes...Apple hardware/software integration is still “premium”!

 

[CodeJoy]

I find myself wondering about Ubuntu on an XPS...

Funny, I've just been trying to find out how Linux runs on a Zenbook Pro. I'm currently thinking it's either that or possibly a nTB MBP with 16G RAM. It would presumably be roughly the same price (after 2018 MBP launches) but with the Zenbook you get 15" instead of 13", 2 more cores (presumably), double the SSD size, around 3X the graphics performance, double the warranty time, plus you get the screenpad extra. With all that, maybe I'll just have to live with the inconveniences of Linux and Windows. It's a silly comparison in a way, because they are just completely different class machines. But same price.

 

[hajime]

Funny, I've just been trying to find out how Linux runs on a Zenbook Pro. I'm currently thinking it's either that or possibly a nTB MBP with 16G RAM. It would presumably be roughly the same price (after 2018 MBP launches) but with the Zenbook you get 15" instead of 13", 2 more cores (presumably), double the SSD size, around 3X the graphics performance, double the warranty time, plus you get the screenpad extra. With all that, maybe I'll just have to live with the inconveniences of Linux and Windows. It's a silly comparison in a way, because they are just completely different class machines. But same price.

I think MBP 2017 have some compatibility issues with Ubuntu. For example, wifi, wait from sleep, etc.

 

[tryintostickit]

So are most folks thinking these will be out in the fall? I'm starting to get a little impatient...

 

[hajime]

Knowing that the keyboard issue is a bit overrated, I’m not concerned...it’s actually my favourite keyboard! Plus 4 years of warranty is not bad at all. If it fails, getting a new whole inside top replaced including batteries is bonus. It’s a win all the way!

So are you willing to pay after 4 years? I am not going to support Apple on this.

 

[donster28]

So are you willing to pay after 4 years? I am not going to support Apple on this.

OMG! Someone please save me from these people!

You’re serious, right?

Normal warranty for the laptop is 1 year. The fact that Apple is extending the keyboard warranty to 4 years is excellent. By that time, I would have gotten a new MacBook.

 

[hajime]

OMG! Someone please save me from these people!

You’re serious, right?

Normal warranty for the laptop is 1 year. The fact that Apple is extending the keyboard warranty to 4 years is excellent. By that time, I would have gotten a new MacBook.

They are selling defective products knowingly. They should continue to provide free repairs five years after the 2016-2017 machine stops being sold.

I am using my 9 years old MBP. As an Apple user since Apple II, I have high standard on Apple's products and services. TC's lowered the standard of Apple products as he wants products to break so people buy more and more.

If it is OK for you to set such a low standard for such a high price machine, please continue to support Apple and keep the Apple's standard low. TC is glad to have customers like you.

 

[donster28]

I am using my 9 years old MBP.

If it is OK for you to set such a low standard for such a high price machine, please continue to support Apple and keep the Apple's standard low. TC is glad to have customers like you.

Good for you...how’s Final Cut Pro X on your 9 yr old MBP?

 

[ryansebiz]

Bought a used 2015 MacBook Air today at Micro Center. It's working well so far.

No way I'm playing the defective keyboard game with the 2016-17 models. I need a reliable machine and don't have the time to drive to the Apple Store, wait days for it to be fixed, drive back to get it and then potentially run into the same problem again.

When Apple releases new models with reliable keyboards I'll sell the MBA and buy the new MacBook Air/Pro.

 

[hajime]

I'm sick and tired off waiting. Honestly starting to think about buying another brand laptop by now.

Me too.

I bought two dongles thinking that they would release MBP 2018 at WWDC or this week. Now it is too late to return them.

Looks like only TC's bf can make TC releases the MBP 2018. Our will power is not strong enough to move the evil TC.

 

[benface]

Me too.

I bought two dongles thinking that they would release MBP 2018 at WWDC or this week. Now it is too late to return them.

Looks like only TC's bf can make TC releases the MBP 2018. Our will power is not strong enough to move the evil TC.

Lol couldn’t you wait to be sure to buy the dongles? That’s silly.

 

[mr.anthonyramos]

Lol couldn’t you wait to be sure to buy the dongles? That’s silly.

Actually I am on the same boat. I ended up buying the Hyper Drive dongle here in Hong Kong because of a huge sale!

 

[navaira]

Our will power is not strong enough to move the evil TC.

I don't think Tim Cook has much to say on Macs at all. Ive comes by and says "sorry, still too thick, too many ports". Schiller comes by and says "my ass is almost fully innovated, but just not thin enough yet". Hair Force One comes by and says "I'm designing animoji, wanna see talking jellyfish?" When Tim Cook's office finally seems to be a peaceful place and Tim, with a sigh, picks up the latest summary from Ive ("too thick"), Cue swings by and says "whaddup pal look at my new shirt isn't it the bestest one yet oh by the way iCloud just deleted everybody's photos but we're saying it's just saving them from painful memories and also I ordered another 12 TV shows". Our willpower is not strong enough to move the evil Cue, how can we hope to reach Cook?

*draws pentagrams, lights candles, sacrifices tofurkey*

I'm in full agreement that the Mac division needs to be separate from iThings, otherwise we will never get a smoothly running OS again before .5 revision, not to mention hardware updates.

 

[mctrials23]

OMG! Someone please save me from these people!

You’re serious, right?

Normal warranty for the laptop is 1 year. The fact that Apple is extending the keyboard warranty to 4 years is excellent. By that time, I would have gotten a new MacBook.

Yeah but when his keyboard has issues after 8 years it won't be normal wear and tear it will clearly be a design fault. Anything else that broke after a year was just bad luck but this is apple fault!!!!

If something breaks after 4 years on a laptop then it probable wasn't due to a design flaw. Either that or you have been super super lucky up until that point. Apple have admitted that there is a problem with the keyboards and they are replacing them when faulty. I have had 0 issues in the nearly 1.5 years I have had mine and nor has anyone else I know with them. Its not a problem with all of them or perhaps some of us are just a bit more careful with our macbooks. Either way they are admitting an issue and fixing it.

 

[Martius]

I can't believe that people are defending Apple about the 4 year keyboard warranty. Ok, it's great for people who already purchased the MBP (to feel more secure), but I would never buy this laptop if I knew they sell it with a faulty keyboard. It's like saying that I'm ok, that I might be like 2-4 weeks per year without my $2000+ computer and dealing with all that stupid repair stuff around.

 

[Hitrate]

I can't believe that people are defending Apple about the 4 year keyboard warranty. Ok, it's great for people who already purchased the MBP (to feel more secure), but I would never buy this laptop if I knew they sell it with a faulty keyboard. It's like saying that I'm ok, that I might be like 2-4 weeks per year without my $2000+ computer and dealing with all that stupid repair stuff around.

Illuminati is real, unfortunately...

 

[The Mercurian]

I have no worries about keyboard issues. If mine breaks, I’ll get it fixed. I am after Apple hardware and software integration. I am a videographer and will never use a Windows laptop for what I do, pure and simple.

Apple laptops are still the best looking laptops out there bar none. You can tell me this and that, like how big the bezels are on the MacBooks but they still beat even the most great looking Windows laptop out there. Let’s all try to check our perspective again sometimes...Apple hardware/software integration is still “premium”!

Fair enough I get how your workflow is tied to Apple, no arguments there. But as to Apple laptops being the best looking ?? Not a chance, Dell XPS have them beat in that department the last couple of years (though I would have relaiability concerns on the Dell). But then, again, I don't think professionals buy laptops because they are the "best looking" one ! They buy them because they need to get things done, because of their workflow - just like you said above.

 

[Hitrate]

By the way let's talk ram speed, and other tiny areas that might(?) be soon improved...will we see 2666 MHz ram similar to the iMac Pro (or at least better than 2133) ? I know I know, we probably won't see 32gb or ddr4 because of intel, we've been through all this time and time again. But would/could/shouldn't there be at least a MHz spec update this time around? What's the excuse for not upgrading those spec's ?! Could there be any thanges to CAS latencies or other slight improvements? Will the 2018 MBP finally have Bluetooth 5 ? Could there be (slight) improvements to the read and or write speed of the SSD ?

 

[Cardino]

By the way let's talk ram speed, and other tiny areas that might(?) be soon improved...will we see 2666 MHz ram similar to the iMac Pro (or at least better than 2133) ? I know I know, we probably won't see 32gb or ddr4 because of intel, we've been through all this time and time again. But would/could/shouldn't there be at least a MHz spec update this time around? What's the excuse for not upgrading those spec's ?! Could there be any thanges to CAS latencies or other slight improvements? Will the 2018 MBP finally have Bluetooth 5 ? Could there be (slight) improvements to the read and or write speed of the SSD ?

No. The i7-8559u only support lpddr3-2133 or ddr4 by ark.intel.com.

 

[CodeJoy]

By the way let's talk ram speed, and other tiny areas that might(?) be soon improved...will we see 2666 MHz ram similar to the iMac Pro (or at least better than 2133) ? I know I know, we probably won't see 32gb or ddr4 because of intel, we've been through all this time and time again. But would/could/shouldn't there be at least a MHz spec update this time around? What's the excuse for not upgrading those spec's ?! Could there be any thanges to CAS latencies or other slight improvements? Will the 2018 MBP finally have Bluetooth 5 ? Could there be (slight) improvements to the read and or write speed of the SSD ?

DDR3 is only standardized up to 2133MHz, and given that the overall performance gain would probably be fractions of a percent while adding cost, I'd say the chance is pretty much zero. SSD speed is pretty similar. They're already about as fast as is possible today without doing fancy (=costly) things, and there's effectively zero performance to be gained for the vast majority of users. So pretty much zero chance of that too.

 

[Euro_Guy]

The new XPS is a really nice looking laptop. I’ve heard very mixed things about reliability of them them so that scared me away. The X1 Carbon with the HDR screen is a great laptop as well.

Gave up on the wait for an updated MBP in 2016 (my wife has one, though). Bought an XPS instead; been rocking solidly for 2+ years now. No probs whatsoever.

 

[semajm85]

Different people have different expectations on what they want from their machines. It can be power or aesthetic or a combination of both.

I fall into that category...having departed from a MacBook as my work provided a windows laptop, I've been on a search these last two years for a proper mainstay for my new job. I've tried highly lauded flagships from dell, asks and hp and I always find myself having frustrations.

These frustrations may be small to you but it irritates the heck out of me. It was poorafter sales support, the way windows works or even opening the laptop with one finger. However the main reasons I always comeback to a Mac is the OS and the trackpad.

Windows has come a long way with their trackpad but it's still nowhere as good as a Mac.

So here I am, finding myself waiting for the latest and greatest to buy as well. Hope that's all these issues Apple has been facing with their 2016/2017 models are not brought over to the 2018 one.

Cheers guys let's all wait with bated breath for good news

 

[maflynn]

I am a videographer and will never use a Windows laptop for what I do, pure and simple.

Fair enough, I posted many times that people need to get the best tool that fits their needs. It looks like you found the Mac to be the best tool for your needs

Apple laptops are still the best looking laptops out there bar none. You can tell me this and that, like how big the bezels are on the MacBooks but they still beat even the most great looking Windows laptop out there

That's subjective, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I'm not disagreeing, they are very nice looking, but I also like the look of the Razer, I think its lines and black finish is sharp.

Let’s all try to check our perspective again sometimes...Apple hardware/software integration is still “premium”!

Yeah, Apple has an advantage that it can produce software tightly integrated with the hardware, and the apple ecosystem has its own advantages, in fact that was one reason why I returned the razer. If apple fixes the keyboard issue, I may very well buy the 2018 model.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with the looks, how well it works with software or the apple ecosystem, but rather apple selling a product that has a known defect. Just look at the 2011 GPU repair program, they kept repairing the GPU with the same defective GPU and many people had to send in their laptop numerous time. There's no indication that apple has changed it ways with this repair program. As a videographer, if you can be without your laptop for a couple of weeks at a time, and you're comfortable with that, then go for it. Its your money, your life and your decision, and I'm not belittling that. I was just trying to make the point that apple selling a known defective laptop for a very high dollar amount is not a premium experience imo.

 

[Falhófnir]

DDR3 is only standardized up to 2133MHz, and given that the overall performance gain would probably be fractions of a percent while adding cost, I'd say the chance is pretty much zero. SSD speed is pretty similar. They're already about as fast as is possible today without doing fancy (=costly) things, and there's effectively zero performance to be gained for the vast majority of users. So pretty much zero chance of that too.

It’s by far and away the capacities that need Apple’s focus now, the base models of both 13”nTB and 15” touch bar have unreasonably punishing storage capacities for the amount you pay for them. (128GB for $1299 and 256 for $2399 respectively)

 

[Euro_Guy]

However the main reasons I always comeback to a Mac is the OS and the trackpad.

Windows has come a long way with their trackpad but it's still nowhere as good as a Mac.

On the MBP 15, I actually find the trackpad to be too large. I can't figure out why they made it this big; on the MBP 13 is is appropriate, albeit large-ish.