Waiting for the 2018 MBP

[hajime]

Lol couldn’t you wait to be sure to buy the dongles? That’s silly.

It was a silly act. I had a 13” for two weeks. When I realized the keyboard and tb are not my cup of tea, at that time my main concern was to find a good 40”+ TV or monitor for the 2018 model which was supposed to be released at WWDC according to a sales at Apple store. The backup plan was the idea that if they were not released, I would go for 2015 or 2017. That was before Apple admitted the design fault. Now everything falls apart.

Under TC, Apple became an annogrant jerk. I am concerned that there will be no new laptop until the Fall when the release new OS. As I recall, sometimes Apple released new mbp at the same time new MacOS was released.
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On the MBP 15, I actually find the trackpad to be too large. I can't figure out why they made it this big; on the MBP 13 is is appropriate, albeit large-ish.

It is because they are crazy?

 

[The Mercurian]

On the MBP 15, I actually find the trackpad to be too large. I can't figure out why they made it this big; on the MBP 13 is is appropriate, albeit large-ish.

I like to think of it as the comedy oversized trackpad a clown might use

 

[schalliol]

Sometimes, but it could be any day or Fall. It's clear there are no rules about this other than they won't release after early Nov until the end of the year. They can ship with High Sierra too. They have typically waited longer when they do a wholesale upgrade.

 

[fokmik]

On the MBP 15, I actually find the trackpad to be too large. I can't figure out why they made it this big; on the MBP 13 is is appropriate, albeit large-ish.

To use the trackpad with your pencil when you draw or sign documents on the next macOs

 

[schalliol]

I like to think of it as the comedy oversized trackpad a clown might use

I love my Magic Trackpad 2 and wish my 13 had one that size. There's no downsize to a larger trackpad since you can place your fingers anywhere you want and still move (i.e. it's not a tablet mapped to physical space).

 

[maflynn]

On the MBP 15, I actually find the trackpad to be too large. I can't figure out why they made it this big; on the MBP 13 is is appropriate, albeit large-ish.

People seem to love it or hate the size. I've seen youtube videos, where known PC people who dislike the Mac or at least belittle it, love the oversized trackpad. I've heard positive and negative regarding the palm rejection, many people say its the best, others say they incur a lot of issues with it. I guess its one of those components that you need to try and use yourself and see if it works for you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[hajime]

Is there a good PC manufacturer that offers excellent Hackintosh compatible hardware with excellent after sales services? I was considering Lenovo and Razer Blade but the heat/fan/throttling issues put me off.

 

[Martius]

I think that the best description of what is probably going on at Apple is something what is Steve Jobs talking about in that "lost interview" from 1995. He compares Apple to Pepsi to describe why Apple has failed after he was fired. He talks about Pepsi and how it's controlled mostly by marketing people, because new product for Pepsi is like a new size bottle. On the other hand, the technology company is mostly controlled by tech / product people, but when the tech company become a monopoly in some field, the marketing people are the ones who take control, because the company itself has no reason to make better product, because they are monopoly.

I don't think it's exactly this case at Apple, because the only monopoly I see at Apple is the fact they are probably the only mainstream tech company that is able to sell their products at almost any price they want (but of course it has some boundries).

But (!) right now it seems that the company is controlled by marketing people, because of that one thing: the obsession of making things thinner and thinner. I can't help myself, but the Apple product engineers seem to give up this fight with marketing people and that crazy Jony Ive. It really is an obsession without racional reason, because there are tons of things that could be improved, but clearly none of them sounds as good as the word "thinner". Jony should leave Apple, he was good when there was Jobs as the curator of his work. But right now he is lost in his autistic world (and I really know what autism means).

I'm really really curious how this all will turn out, but I think we have reached a point where the obsession is not just annoying, but it's really ruining the product. We haven't really seen Apple changing their opinion on their designs. My prediction is that between 2020-2025 will go through a recession until there will be pressure to change the lead / change the direction. They have like 2-3 years to really think about what they are doing before the average consumer will notice something is wrong. The tech people are noticing it for like the last 1.5 years, but the momentum is still there...

 

[maflynn]

Is there a good PC manufacturer that offers excellent Hackintosh compatible hardware with excellent after sales services? I was considering Lenovo but the heat/fan/throttling issues put me off.

You would be better off asking this in the alternatives forum that is dedicated to talking about non-mac hardware. This thread is about waiting for the 2018 model.

 

[AdamA9]

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with the looks, how well it works with software or the apple ecosystem, but rather apple selling a product that has a known defect. Just look at the 2011 GPU repair program, they kept repairing the GPU with the same defective GPU and many people had to send in their laptop numerous time. There's no indication that apple has changed it ways with this repair program.

If Apple don't have a functioning keyboard to swap out with the broken ones right now, what are they supposed to do?

 

[hajime]

What is the problem with trackpad on the PC? I tried many in stores. The one that seems to have problem is the MBP 2017 15” rather than the PCs’.

 

[Hitrate]

I think it's because the trackpad on the 17" looked so tiny, they thought hey we'll put a larger trackpad on the 15" than the 13" to make up for that "mistake"...it's seems like one of those things decided more for design rather than function or an obvious thing to want in a 15", when the 13" trackpad is big enough and much bigger than the previous models on any screen size, and even bigger than the magic trackpad 2 I believe? Pretty silly actually, but huge trackpad and touchbar both seem like excuses for not wanting to do touch display, but I think I've mentioned that before

 

[hajime]

If Apple don't have a functioning keyboard to swap out with the broken ones right now, what are they supposed to do?

As you see in this and other threads, there are people who thanks and are satisfied with Apple extending the warranty of defective products for over 1 year. As long as there are that kind of people and the majority of customers are uninformed consumers, Apple under TC continues to behave the way the do.

 

[schalliol]

I think it's because the trackpad on the 17" looked so tiny, they thought hey we'll put a larger trackpad on the 15" than the 13" to make up for that "mistake"...it's seems like one of those things decided more for design rather than function or an obvious thing to want in a 15", when the 13" trackpad is big enough and much bigger than the previous models on any screen size, and even bigger than the magic trackpad 2 I believe? Pretty silly actually, but huge trackpad and touchbar both seem like excuses for not wanting to do touch display, but I think I've mentioned that before

No, no, no. Apple decided that the trackpad should be bigger if possible because of the palm rejection (that does seem to work perfectly). The Magic Trackpad 1 was huge by then standards and the Magic Trackpad 2 is of course even bigger. It's an amazing tool, and the ability for a pro to use fingers and continue moving farther is an advantage.

 

[hajime]

You would be better off asking this in the alternatives forum that is dedicated to talking about non-mac hardware. This thread is about waiting for the 2018 model.

Can you accept the possibility that the 2018 model is a Hackintosh from a PC manufacturer? We don’t even know if Apple will release a MBP in 2018. We have wasted too much time in this and related threads on this model.

 

[schalliol]

Ha, no.

 

[Falhófnir]

If Apple don't have a functioning keyboard to swap out with the broken ones right now, what are they supposed to do?

Of course they have a functioning keyboard - they even have a choice of functional keyboards, either the magic keyboard design or the 2015 era keyboard! All they have to do is adapt the machine to accommodate it.

 

[hajime]

No, no, no. Apple decided that the trackpad should be bigger if possible because of the palm rejection (that does seem to work perfectly). The Magic Trackpad 1 was huge by then standards and the Magic Trackpad 2 is of course even bigger. It's an amazing tool, and the ability for a pro to use fingers and continue moving farther is an advantage.

They will have a touch screen keyboard and trackpad for user to adjust the sizes.

 

[Glmnet1]

If Apple don't have a functioning keyboard to swap out with the broken ones right now, what are they supposed to do?

If their keyboard design is so broken that 3 years after releasing it they still have no idea how to make it work properly I think it's about time they give up and go back to a keyboard design that works. It's not like they just learned that their keyboard is unreliable.

I'm no hardware engineer but wouldn't sticking something similar to the Magic Keyboard in the MBP case make most people happy?

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

Of course they have a functioning keyboard - they even have a choice of functional keyboards, either the magic keyboard design or the 2015 era keyboard! All they have to do is adapt the machine to accommodate it.

The question is: Have they already adapted it to a 'non flawed' keyboard to accommodate the swapping program, or are they still swapping it with the same flawed keyboards? Until now Apple is not very clear about this.

 

[maflynn]

If Apple don't have a functioning keyboard to swap out with the broken ones right now, what are they supposed to do?

They're using the same keyboard's that are in the 2016/2017 models for the repair program. Apple may very well have a new keyboard for this repair program and/or 2018 MBP but so far we only have what they've done up to this point to go on.
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The question is: Have they already adapted it to a 'non flawed' keyboard to accommodate the swapping program, or are they still swapping it with the same flawed keyboards? Until now Apple is not very clear about this.

Agreed, going on how they repaired the keyboards prior to the official announcement, it's using the same keyboard. I'm really hoping in all honesty that we see a revised keyboard.

 

[AdamA9]

Of course they have a functioning keyboard - they even have a choice of functional keyboards, either the magic keyboard design or the 2015 era keyboard! All they have to do is adapt the machine to accommodate it.

Aren't the 2015 and 2017 laptops different designs? How can they fit a 2015 keyboard into a 2017 laptop?

 

[maflynn]

Aren't the 2015 and 2017 laptops different designs? How can they fit a 2015 keyboard into a 2017 laptop?

Yes, they made the 2016 (and 2017) so thin the standard scissor type keyboard would not fit in, so they used their butterfly keyboard that was developed for their MacBook laptop

 

[afir93]

To use the trackpad with your pencil when you draw or sign documents on the next macOs

As much as I'd want this, the problem is that this would most likely require new hardware on the MBP side. If the rumored Apple Pencil v2 does indeed have support for MBP trackpads (which is still very questionable at this point) then it will most certainly only be for the 2018 models and newer, not for the previous models.

Come to think of it, if one of the reasons for an October delay is Apple Pencil support for the trackpad, then that would almost make up for the long delay. Almost.

 

[Falhófnir]

The question is: Have they already adapted it to a 'non flawed' keyboard to accommodate the swapping program, or are they still swapping it with the same flawed keyboards? Until now Apple is not very clear about this.

I’m pretty sure they are using the same keyboard still, otherwise they would have probably noted specifically that they have rectified the issue when they announced the replacement programme

Aren't the 2015 and 2017 laptops different designs? How can they fit a 2015 keyboard into a 2017 laptop?

Quite easily if they had the willing - I’m not even convinced they would need to make it thicker considering the HP spectre is thinner than the 12” MacBook but has a perfectly normal travel keyboard. If they did need to increase it, you’re talking 1mm at most. They did the opposite when they first launched the 13” retina pro - after a year they slimmed it down to equal the 15”...