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I think that the best description of what is probably going on at Apple is something what is Steve Jobs talking about in that "lost interview" from 1995. He compares Apple to Pepsi to describe why Apple has failed after he was fired. He talks about Pepsi and how it's controlled mostly by marketing people, because new product for Pepsi is like a new size bottle. On the other hand, the technology company is mostly controlled by tech / product people, but when the tech company become a monopoly in some field, the marketing people are the ones who take control, because the company itself has no reason to make better product, because they are monopoly.

I don't think it's exactly this case at Apple, because the only monopoly I see at Apple is the fact they are probably the only mainstream tech company that is able to sell their products at almost any price they want (but of course it has some boundries).

But (!) right now it seems that the company is controlled by marketing people, because of that one thing: the obsession of making things thinner and thinner. I can't help myself, but the Apple product engineers seem to give up this fight with marketing people and that crazy Jony Ive. It really is an obsession without racional reason, because there are tons of things that could be improved, but clearly none of them sounds as good as the word "thinner". Jony should leave Apple, he was good when there was Jobs as the curator of his work. But right now he is lost in his autistic world (and I really know what autism means).

I'm really really curious how this all will turn out, but I think we have reached a point where the obsession is not just annoying, but it's really ruining the product. We haven't really seen Apple changing their opinion on their designs. My prediction is that between 2020-2025 will go through a recession until there will be pressure to change the lead / change the direction. They have like 2-3 years to really think about what they are doing before the average consumer will notice something is wrong. The tech people are noticing it for like the last 1.5 years, but the momentum is still there...
While I agree with you in some points, let's not act like the desire or obsession (if that's what you'd like to call it) to make products thinner wasn't already there in Steve Jobs times.

In fact, Steve was one of the people who most rigorously pushed to make products thinner without compromise. If you look at the various product lines, the desire to get thinner has actually dropped off a bit after Steve's passing, for example the iPhones haven't really become noticeably thinner in a couple of years, and have even become thicker in some generations (iPhone 6S, namely). Similarly, the largest drop-off in terms of weight and thickness of the MB/MBP line happened in Jobs times or were still heavily influenced by him (namely, the 2012 Retina MBP, and of course much earlier the release of the MBP (edit: meant to write MBA) which in its first few generations was a great example of shoving off too much weight/thickness too early/fast).

That's not to say that the 2016 MBPs might not have been too much of a compromise in some regards, but let's not act like Apple's desire to make products thinner is a new idea; it's deeply rooted in Apple's philosophy.
 
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In fact, Steve was one of the people who most rigorously pushed to make products thinner without compromise.
PowerBook G4 (titanium) is a perfect example of this. They were impossibly thin by standards of the day.

Side note, but I miss the original iBook awesome for students. I’d throw them in backpacks and slam them on the table to show how durable they were. It’s not what I’d use for me, but I think my kids would love the design.
 
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While I agree with you in some points, let's not act like the desire or obsession (if that's what you'd like to call it) to make products thinner wasn't already there in Steve Jobs times.

In fact, Steve was one of the people who most rigorously pushed to make products thinner without compromise. If you look at the various product lines, the desire to get thinner has actually dropped off a bit after Steve's passing, for example the iPhones haven't really become noticeably thinner in a couple of years, and have even become thicker in some generations (iPhone 6S, namely). Similarly, the largest drop-off in terms of weight and thickness of the MB/MBP line happened in Jobs times or were still heavily influenced by him (namely, the 2012 Retina MBP, and of course much earlier the release of the MBP which in its first few generations was a great example of shoving off too much weight/thickness too early/fast).

That's not to say that the 2016 MBPs might not have been too much of a compromise in some regards, but let's not act like Apple's desire to make products thinner is a new idea; it's deeply rooted in Apple's philosophy.

But I think it's always good to be aware where the (current) limit is. MBA also was about compromises, but it was not designed badly. It was not as powerfull, had less ports, but they worked. They removed the DVD drive, but there were already USB flash disks, which were more convient in every single way.

I'm not talking about weight, I'm talking about thickness. The lighter the device is, the better, the thinner the bezels are, the better. But do you really think that it really matters having 0.5cm thinner device that is still quite big in other dimensions? We already reached the perfect thickness for PRO device, that didn't compromised other features (ports, keyboard, overall feel): it was the 2012-2015 MBP. If you need thinner (more portable) device, purchase MB.
 
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Fair enough, I posted many times that people need to get the best tool that fits their needs. It looks like you found the Mac to be the best tool for your needs


That's subjective, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I'm not disagreeing, they are very nice looking, but I also like the look of the Razer, I think its lines and black finish is sharp.


Yeah, Apple has an advantage that it can produce software tightly integrated with the hardware, and the apple ecosystem has its own advantages, in fact that was one reason why I returned the razer. If apple fixes the keyboard issue, I may very well buy the 2018 model.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with the looks, how well it works with software or the apple ecosystem, but rather apple selling a product that has a known defect. Just look at the 2011 GPU repair program, they kept repairing the GPU with the same defective GPU and many people had to send in their laptop numerous time. There's no indication that apple has changed it ways with this repair program. As a videographer, if you can be without your laptop for a couple of weeks at a time, and you're comfortable with that, then go for it. Its your money, your life and your decision, and I'm not belittling that. I was just trying to make the point that apple selling a known defective laptop for a very high dollar amount is not a premium experience imo.
Why did you have to beat it around the bush? I have stated all the reasons why I like to stay witn the Mac in the first place. Now you’re just repeating what I said and enhancing it for me...anyway, thanks!
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They are selling defective products knowingly. They should continue to provide free repairs five years after the 2016-2017 machine stops being sold.

I am using my 9 years old MBP. As an Apple user since Apple II, I have high standard on Apple's products and services. TC's lowered the standard of Apple products as he wants products to break so people buy more and more.

If it is OK for you to set such a low standard for such a high price machine, please continue to support Apple and keep the Apple's standard low. TC is glad to have customers like you.
We both have different perspectives...let’s leave it at that.
 
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There is a new report by Ming-Chi Kuo about updates to the MacBooks and MacBook Pros in fall, including “significant display-performance upgrades” which is interesting (new Vega GPUs after all?), among other things. He also mentions updates to the iMacs and, most noticeably, the Mac mini.

So I guess Fall it is then. But at least these updates sound huge.
 
There is a new report by Ming-Chi Kuo about updates to the MacBooks and MacBook Pros in fall, including “significant display-performance upgrades” which is interesting (new Vega GPUs after all?), among other things. He also mentions updates to the iMacs and, most noticeably, the Mac mini.

So I guess Fall it is then. But at least these updates sound huge.

The "significant display performance upgrade" was only mentioned for the iMac. The only thing it said for MacBook Pro was "processor upgrades".
 
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While reading the article, I got the distinct impression the reviewer is annoyed about the lack of an SD Card reader and an RJ45 jack, which is ironic, given the vitriol that flows forth on MacRumors about the 2016/2017 MacBook Pros and what it doesn't have. I remember the vitriol lobbed at the 2012-2015 MacBook Pro when it was released without *gasp* Firewire 800, RJ4% and NO DVD drive, but I digress.

By and large, the Blade has very few advantages over the TB 15" MacBook Pro (HDMI 2.0, USB Type-A) and one big disadvantage, Windows 10. For comparison, check out their review of the base 2017 15"MacBook Pro - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-15-2017-2-8-GHz-555-Laptop-Review.230096.0.html

My takeaway is that Windows 10 is not as good as macOS at power management, that both the Razer and the MacBook Pro would benefit from being thicker, that NVIDIA's MaxQ GPUs are a good thing but slow down the GPU, that DDR4 uses more power at idle, right now bigger batteries still require a bigger chassis, that the rMBP is a better balanced laptop performance-wise (macOS vs Windows 10) and that 4 Thunderbolt ports are still better than one, which is how many the Razer Blade has. I think I will still to my 2016 MacBook Pro and gently nudge Apple to get on the stick with releasing 8th-Gen laptops.

YMMV.
 
Christmas is coming , we are back in the old days when apples falls events were about a lot of products
 
I got the distinct impression the reviewer is annoyed about the lack of an SD Card reader and an RJ45 jack
Many of the reviews I've seen and/or read have mentioned the lack of SD card and ethernet port. Another questionable omission on the Razer Blade is the lack of biometrics, either a fingerprint reader embedded into the power button (perfect spot), or a Windows Hello capable camera.

and one big disadvantage, Windows 10
That's more personal preference, both Windows and macOS have advantages and disadvantages.
 
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New MBPs will come when Mojave is ready, after the back to school deals, and after the iPhone release. Probably Oct 2018. Using tech that is almost a year old. I’m just keeping my 2017 13 and getting a pc to do the heavy lifting. Quite frankly, this is embarrassing Apple.
 
ipad pros as well when ios12 is ready...so September event for the iphones and apple watches....October event for the macs and ipads...the good old days are back
 
Here's the issue, do you wait, and I agree spending a premium a chipset that's been out for 7+ months, or do I buy something now and enjoy the use of the computer for the next x months ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
since intel had a lot of issues with the 7th gen cpu at the beginning of its life...are you risking to take the 9th gen as soon as it will be release ? i hope mealtdown issues and keyboard issues will be gone and for me it will deserve the wait
 
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since intel had a lot of issues with the 7th gen cpu at the beginning of its life...are you risking to take the 9th gen as soon as it will be release ? i hope mealtdown issues and keyboard issues will be gone and for me it will deserve the wait

Meltdown effected several generations and I'd expect as many processors specific bugs to be fixed as created. Overall, I don't see taking a dip into new processor generations as a liability. The real liability is in what get wrapped around the processor and Apple waiting to wrap something around a processor that's been out for nearly a whole cycle from Intel doesn't really help you figure out if Apple has done something stupid or not. If anything, it actually makes that problem worse, because now we wait 6-9months after a platform is released from Intel for Apple to use it, then we have to wait another maybe 2-3 months to see if Apple's product is faulty in some obvious way. By that time, Windows laptops might be using the next generation processor already....

Look at what's shaping up now. Cannonlake is way delayed, but lets be optimistic and pretend it starts hitting shelves in late Q1 2019 after a MacBook Pro is finally available in late Q3 2018. That means, I finally pull the trigger in late Q4 2018. I'll have had my new MacBook Pro maybe a whole 3 months before Cannonlake and the famed LPDDR4 appear on Windows and maybe by late Q2 2019 Apple even does a refresh of its own, a la the late 2016 to mid 2017 MBPs. Is 6 months on my new machine instead of the old machine worth not having Cannonlake for maybe 4 - 5 years? Probably not (maybe another core count bump, while process shrink plus LPDDR4 bring better battery life and performance), unless this old machine goes seriously belly up.

Every month that Apple delays at this point really drastically changes this equation. Doing it now, when Cannon Lake is at least 6 months away, maybe more like a year, would make me a lot more comfortable buying now. Doing it in September might be kind of the 50/50 zone, where it might depend on just how much Apple does to improve the machine beyond a processor update. But if that time scale shift to a point where Cannon Lake might hit in just a month or two..... eh, I'll wait.
 
What issues?
I had this

"A critical flaw has been discovered in Intel’s Skylake and Kaby Lake processors, according to a warning message published by Debian.org.

The flaw is apparently present in all hyper-threaded mobile, desktop, HEDT, and embedded chips, and could result in the chips misbehaving.

The issue consists of a microcode defect which only affects the processor when hyper-threading is enabled, and the warning recommended that all affected users immediately disable hyper-threading."
 
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