Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
The Built-In dGPU in the 15" is built for power efficiency more than anything else and while it isn't bad, per se, it is never going to approach the higher tier NVIDIA cards.

If you need/want 1070/1080 performance, you need to be looking at a Vega 64, not an RX580, plus the cost of the eGPU enclosure.

The cost of a nicely equipped 13" i7/16GB/512GB plus the eGPU(Razer Core X) and an 8GB Vega64 is going to be around $3399.00 USD total ($2499.00-MBP, $299.00-Razer Core X and $599.00-SapphireTech Nitro+ Vega 64 LE).

On the flip side, for $3499, you can max out the CPU and RAM on a 15" or for $3599, max out the RAM, keep the base CPU and move to 1TB of storage. The benefit being that you have a 6-core 15" model with 32GB of RAM, which is no slouch and you can add an eGPU and a 7nm Vega "Navi" in mid-2019.

Personally, I want all the firepower I can get and I would opt for the 15" w/ 32GB of DRAM and the 1TB Flash Storage. I would also get the Core i9 upgrade, but that's me.

Here is hoping Apple upgrade their offerings on the BlackMagic enclosure to include Vega64 in the future.

Of course I could just get the Razer Core, it is just a pain that should anything go wrong, I have to ship it internationally...
 
There is a new report by Ming-Chi Kuo about updates to the MacBooks and MacBook Pros in fall, including “significant display-performance upgrades” which is interesting (new Vega GPUs after all?), among other things. He also mentions updates to the iMacs and, most noticeably, the Mac mini.

So I guess Fall it is then. But at least these updates sound huge.

Well I think todays release establishes that this guy is making it all up just like the rest of us.
 
the GPU is so poor for the price I'm upset its same as 2017 one
AMD is in-between process changes right now and really do not have anything to offer Apple until next year. So either Apple launches the 4-core and 6-core CPUs now and people complain about the lack of update to the GPU offerings or they wait until better GPUs are launched and listen to people complain about no 8th Gen CPUs and only 16GB of RAM...either way, they cannot win. Personally, I am glad they chose to update the CPUs and give users the option of 32GB of RAM on the 15". Clearly, you are not as happy about that decision.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheralSadurns
Definitely great to see 32GB; long overdue. Apple finally realised that updating the MBP in 2018 with 16GB max was untenable.
 
Perhaps he was referencing to TrueTone, although is that significant?
Yes, TrueTone is significant, probably esp. for multimedia creation types.

It's less important to me though, as mainly a business user. (I use a 2017 MacBook, which isn't even wide colour gamut.)
 
So still shoving the touch bar down our throats when we want a 15” model?

That’s the biggest disappointment for me. I don’t want to pay for that consumer bollocks.
That was fairly expected though. I was concerned that they'd even discontinue the 13" nTB. Though by not updating it, they more or less did I guess.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Glmnet1
That was fairly expected though. I was concerned that they'd even discontinue the 13" nTB. Though by not updating it, they more or less did I guess.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a nTB 13" update in 2019 though. It has now become the "cheap" Pro model. The 2015 models no longer are sold. They could keep the nTB going for a couple of years before finally killing it.

Good to see Kaby Lake remains the real-world baseline for 4K HDR support BTW.
 
I was pleasantly surprised to see the 32G RAM option. GPU a bit disappointing, but not really a big deal. Keyboard remains an unknown I guess, but nice that it's quieter. I'll wait a few months to see initial reactions, then we'll see. I switched over to desktop earlier this year as a stopgap, and I'm starting to quite like it :)
[doublepost=1531408327][/doublepost]
Does the core i9 have AVX512, anyone know?
It does not.
 
Any guesses on the geekbench multi for the i9 6-core 32 gigs? I am guessing it's around 21000.
 
Why do we pay European surcharge? What have we done to you, Apple? I am comparing the prices without VAT. It is ridiculous.
So keep in mind in the US an additional 8-10% is added for our "VAT" except in 3-4 states like Oregon. I do agree the difference is striking and this has bene going on tho for a long time.

Aside from US prices being 8-10% higher, the EU has VAT up to 25% and perhaps import duties. Not sure what the EU charges Apple to import each unit.
 
Honestly it may well be overkill/more than she needs right now, but then who know's what software looks like in 3-5 years time, where the 32GB RAM could end up shining?

I'd go with option 2 personally.

I like option 2 as well, simply because its the most maxed, and in theory would last the longest. I'm just unsure of whether the processor will become dated before the RAM is really utilized, if that makes sense?

Are you getting a new iMac too?

I'm no expect but if the MacBook Pro was a photographer's main machine, I'd suggest 32 GB. If the main machine was an iMac though, you would want to get 40 GB on the iMac, whereas 32 GB on the MacBook Pro might not be as necessary, depending on how long she kept the machine.

But FWIW, I am usually not a heavy user of my MacBook, but I got 16 GB anyway. For me 8 GB is about what I need, but I tend to keep my laptops a LONG time like you seem to, so I went with 16 GB. If you plan on keeping that MBP a long time, then 32 GB might be advisable for a photographer.

Also, can't she claim the MBP as a business expense?

Yes, business expense, no to iMac. I can't remember which year the iMac is, but I'm guessing 2016, with 16gb RAM and a 1TB SSD that I installed.

The dollars don't really matter, it's just a matter of what's more "reasonable" for the money. If option 3 would work just as well for the $400-ish savings, then that $400 can be used elsewhere.

Does she store her photos locally? If she's shooting RAW and using Lightroom, get a 1TB SSD. 16GB of RAM is sufficient for Lightroom.

I have a late-2013 MBP w/ 16GB of RAM and it handles Lightroom RAW Images from my Canon 5D and Final Cut Pro 4K video editing just fine. Things are faster on my iMac w/ 32GB of RAM but the big win of the iMac is the much better GPU.

We don't store any photos locally. We have a Lacie Rugged that we store all photos that are being edited. There are also two different NAS drives on the network, as well as cloud backup. The one thing I don't like, or at least am unsure of if I like it or not is the display. We have a matte display on our 2011 MBP.

Buy what you can afford, with an emphasis on maxing out and future proofing as much as possible. These things are so locked down, the idea of upgrading is non-existent. MacBook Pro's have a long life, I have a 18 year old PowerBook G4 right now, bought it for $100. So, buy it with the intention of keeping it for a while and also resale value. Just make sure Apple Care is part of the purchase. I'm sure between running Photoshop CC, Lightroom, Chrome; you can never have enough RAM.

That's kind of my thought as well. Our 2011 MBP does a decent job still today, but it starts to struggle when you've got lightroom, safari and possibly photoshop elements all running simultaneously. As mentioned above, this is a business expense, and we can afford any of the options, but I like to be reasonable when buying things.



Thanks everyone for your opinions! I think I'll go with Option 2, future proofing as well as increasing resale value if I decide to upgrade in a couple of years.
 
Why do we pay European surcharge? What have we done to you, Apple? I am comparing the prices without VAT. It is ridiculous.

Uncertainty is the answer :), similar to the fate UK has experienced. Yes we bounced back a bit, but they are probably hedging that we are still in an "unstable" period, Brexit et al.
 
I would say most of us did not expect a huge GPU update. As mentioned earlier in the thread, we knew months ago that AMD had rebranded Polaris to 500X series for release in 2018. Mainstream Vega may appear but it would mean a significant later release.

The question now is whether or not the new iMacs will get Polaris, or if they will get Vega. I had been predicting Polaris, but that was based on a June/July release time frame, which didn't happen. If the new iMacs are delayed until October, then perhaps there's a chance they'll get Vega, although Polaris is still a possibility.

I am expecting Polaris (5*0X) in both sizes of the iMac, definitely the 21.5" I don't see Apple redesigning the innards of the 27" iMac, although they have done most of the hard work with the iMac Pro. Given the lack of a suitable GPU upgrade for the Pro at this time, I suspect Apple is not going to want to put a Vega anything in the regular iMac and erode a possible upsell to the Pro.

The flip side of that is that if Apple releases an updated iMac along with the Intel Core i9-9900K (8-core) as a BTO option, they might just give us the option of the RX Vega Nano, which would not overlap too badly with the iMac Pro. Again, I think Apple may drop the 8-core Xeon, make the 10-core the base and add the 22-core if Intel has it ready and in Xeon-W configuration, not just Core-X. I also expect that Apple may drop the Vega 56 8GB and move it to a Vega 64 8GB.

Fingers crossed, need to upgrade a lease, but not leasing 2017 iMacs at this point, period. Should be a fun couple of months wait.
 
Not gonna wait this out a bit and see how some early adopters react to the changes?
I may need to wait only from the perspective of not having the time to visit the local apple store. My family seems to be wanting the MBP over the Dell or Razer, so I'm like a fish swimming up against the current.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mr. Dee
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.