Waiting for the 2018 MBP

[EugW]

Well, I'm glad it's finally here.

Historically, does anyone know what kind of discount we see with back to school specials? I'm wondering if it's worth ordering now or waiting another few weeks until the sale happens.

The Apple Back To School sale is on now. You get normal edu pricing but also get Beats headphones for free.

Or do you mean third party retailers and discounts off full price?

The 13" Model still uses LPDDR3 RAM though, so runtime should be effectively 20% longer.

Hmmm... I don't buy that 20% number. Yes, LP RAM helps, but often not by that much, as it really depends on the usage pattern. Plus, for light usage I wouldn't be surprised if 6-core runs longer than 4-core. Not sure though until we get the reviews.

And I believe the new model has bigger batteries too.

EDIT:

I was confused in my response to Poki's post. I was thinking about the 15".

 

[Poki]

Hmmm... I don't buy that 20% number. Yes, LP RAM helps, but often not by that much, as it really depends on the usage pattern. Plus, for light usage I wouldn't be surprised if 6-core runs longer than 4-core. Not sure though until we get the reviews.

There's really no reason why the new 13" TB MBP should use more power than the previous one. Same TDP CPU (which might use more energy under load, but not at light use), same LPDDR3 RAM, same SSD, same screen. So I don't see any reason why it shouldn't run longer proportional to the increased battery size.

 

[spicy_guy]

Though I have been waiting for 2018 model, I kind of think I should buy 2017 one with $400 or more in savings. Prices are STEEP! Apple is freaking greedy!

 

[EugW]

There's really no reason why the new 13" TB MBP should use more power than the previous one. Same TDP CPU (which might use more energy under load, but not at light use), same LPDDR3 RAM, same SSD, same screen. So I don't see any reason why it shouldn't run longer proportional to the increased battery size.

Ah I see. I was confused. I was thinking 2018 15" with DDR4 vs. 2017 15" with LPDDR3.

 

[nitestryker]

in a dilemma, do I upgrade ram to 32gb or i9 if I only had to choose one?

 

[Lobwedgephil]

Wonder when they will be available in store, earliest I see if the 23rd in my area. Would like to try out before buying.

 

[EugW]

in a dilemma, do I upgrade ram to 32gb or i9 if I only had to choose one?

Depends on what you need the laptop for of course.

 

[The Mercurian]

New Macbook Pro 13 don't have 32gb ram option? Why??

Dell XPS 13" don't offer this either. I think the 28W chips don't support 32GB RAM.

 

[Hitrate]

But remember, they increased th battery capacity by about 20% meaning more or less it should have the same amount of runtime.

Lol no way dude. How on earth you expect those ram to suck up all the extra battery?! No chance in most real world scenarios meaning we will see a definite increase in power on time due to increased battery % regardless.

 

[nitestryker]

Depends on what you need the laptop for of course.

Well right now neither. But I do a bit of video editing on the side and most like the only games I’ll play are dota2 and Diablo 3

 

[Hitrate]

What I wanna know is, is the i9 upgrade worth it for real time low latency high Dsp multitrack audio ? The i7 has same base clock freq as my Early 2011, ugh...but damn steep price in Denmark for the i9 upgrade. I could get a used Mac mini for the price difference

 

[Falhófnir]

Lol no way dude. How on earth you expect those ram to suck up all the extra battery?! No chance in most real world scenarios meaning we will see a definite increase in power on time due to increased battery % regardless.

In active use (as I understand it) the LPDDR3 and DDR4 use approximately equivalent amounts of power, so yes it might go a little longer (and presumably about the same on standby)

 

[EugW]

Well right now neither. But I do a bit of video editing on the side and most like the only games I’ll play are dota2 and Diablo 3

Yeah, it sounds like you probably need neither the i9 nor 32 GB RAM.

 

[Hitrate]

In active use (as I understand it) the LPDDR3 and DDR4 use approximately equivalent amounts of power, so yes it might go a little longer (and presumably about the same on standby)

I was referring to his wild claim that because of ddr4/32Gb ram the 20% battery increase would be nullified by the added power requirements, which I call BS on.

 

[muffinman3679]

Anyone here able to provide some advice, upgrading from 2012 rMBP. Definitely opting for the 32gb of ram and 560x, but unsure of which processor to choose. I’m concerned about battery life and how how/thermal throttling will apply to the i9.

Anyone familiar with these processors able to chime in?

 

[Falhófnir]

I was referring to his wild claim that because of ddr4/32Gb ram the 20% battery increase would be nullified by the added power requirements, which I call BS on.

Well, in standby mode it quite possibly will, but not so in use, as I explained...

 

[Uhu]

I am really happy upgrading from a late 2013 macbook pro and a 2011 imac to a 2,6 i7, 15 Inch 512, 16 GB.
Delivery date on the 19th =)

 

[The Mercurian]

Anyone here able to provide some advice, upgrading from 2012 rMBP. Definitely opting for the 32gb of ram and 560x, but unsure of which processor to choose. I’m concerned about battery life and how how/thermal throttling will apply to the i9.

Anyone familiar with these processors able to chime in?

You might want to wait for Geekbench scores to come in. That said all of these models will be lightning fast compared to your 2012 model.

 

[maflynn]

Anyone here able to provide some advice, upgrading from 2012 rMBP. Definitely opting for the 32gb of ram and 560x, but unsure of which processor to choose. I’m concerned about battery life and how how/thermal throttling will apply to the i9.

Anyone familiar with these processors able to chime in?

It really depends on your usage, the base i7 hex core processor (I'm assuming you're looking at the 15") is way more powerful then the 2012 model.

Why do you need 32GB? Again it goes back to what tasks you're looking to run. Just because you can upgrade to 32GB doesn't mean you should.

 

[Hitrate]

Well, in standby mode it quite possibly will, but not so in use, as I explained...

You mean it’s gonna suck 20% battery life in standby mode ?

As I explained, no way it will suck 20% more in use just cause it’s ddr4 or 32Gb.

 

[Falhófnir]

You mean it’s gonna suck 20% battery life in standby mode ?

It will certainly use more power, and that Apple felt the need to increase the battery at all could be an indicator? There again, this could just be the battery that was planned for the 2016s all along and ‘failed a key test’ resulting in the machines being pushed back - guess we will only know when people get their hands on them and test them

 

[fokmik]

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It will certainly use more power, and that Apple felt the need to increase the battery at all could be an indicator? There again, this could just be the battery that was planned for the 2016s all along and ‘failed a key test’ resulting in the machines being pushed back - guess we will only know when people get their hands on them and test them

Maybe, but since even the 13" MBP that still using LPDDR3 has larger battery....

 

[Glmnet1]

I am expecting Polaris (5*0X) in both sizes of the iMac, definitely the 21.5" I don't see Apple redesigning the innards of the 27" iMac, although they have done most of the hard work with the iMac Pro. Given the lack of a suitable GPU upgrade for the Pro at this time, I suspect Apple is not going to want to put a Vega anything in the regular iMac and erode a possible upsell to the Pro.

The flip side of that is that if Apple releases an updated iMac along with the Intel Core i9-9900K (8-core) as a BTO option, they might just give us the option of the RX Vega Nano, which would not overlap too badly with the iMac Pro. Again, I think Apple may drop the 8-core Xeon, make the 10-core the base and add the 22-core if Intel has it ready and in Xeon-W configuration, not just Core-X. I also expect that Apple may drop the Vega 56 8GB and move it to a Vega 64 8GB.

Fingers crossed, need to upgrade a lease, but not leasing 2017 iMacs at this point, period. Should be a fun couple of months wait.

Not the right thread to discuss this but if Apple releases the iMac in October I believe it'll be long enough after the iMac Pro release and close enough to the Mac Pro release that it won't matter what specs they put in. They will either discontinue the iMac Pro or update it, leaving plenty of room for updates to the regular iMac.

 

[Ma2k5]

So it appears Gen 3 butterfly hasn’t made any changes for reliability - according to official responses - and the changes are focused on the feel/quietness.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/12/2018-macbook-pro-quieter-keyboard/

If that is true, I would be worried about putting £3k down on a machine...

 

[fokmik]

So it appears Gen 3 butterfly hasn’t made any changes for reliability - according to official responses - and the changes are focused on the feel/quietness.

If that is true, I would be worried about putting £3k down on a machine...

http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNu...%3DDN%2F20180068808%2526RS%3DDN%2F20180068808