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Waiting for the 2018 MBP

ugru said:
Again, Apple already has a super thin ultrabook if you want it thin and light it's the rMB. Makes no sense watsoever IMHO to make both lines of portables thin light and underpowered...
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The 12" MacBook is not powerful enough for any "pro" use, however you want to define that. The MacBook Pro indeed is powerful enough. Again, I don't know your specific use case, but I work at an ad agency as a full time graphic designer, and all of my colleagues are totally happy using their 15" MBPs. Many of them thought 16 GB RAM might be a bottleneck (coming from 64 GB iMacs, mostly), but I've yet to hear a single complain about the power of these notebooks.

Obviously Apple builds the MBP line for the 99%. And I am indeed part of the 99%. Because it handles all common graphic design tasks with ease. And like I said earlier, if a rendering or something similarly power hungry is to be done, it is sent to a render farm via the network anyway - not even a high-end 5k iMac can handle some renderings in an acceptable time, so no reason to think a notebook should be able to.
 
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ugru said:
Again, Apple already has a super thin ultrabook if you want it thin and light it's the rMB. Makes no sense watsoever IMHO to make both lines of portables thin light and underpowered...
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But if you need the power and for it to be thin and light then the 12” MacBook isn’t it, the MacBook Pro is, now that it’s thinner and lighter a lot of people appreciate that especially as I said students and people who travel.
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Poki said:
The 12" MacBook is not powerful enough for any "pro" use, however you want to define that. The MacBook Pro indeed is powerful enough. Again, I don't know your specific use case, but I work at an ad agency as a full time graphic designer, and all of my colleagues are totally happy using their 15" MBPs. Many of them thought 16 GB RAM might be a bottleneck (coming from 64 GB iMacs, mostly), but I've yet to hear a single complain about the power of these notebooks.

Obviously Apple builds the MBP line for the 99%. And I am indeed part of the 99%. Because it handles all common graphic design tasks with ease. And like I said earlier, if a rendering or something similarly power hungry is to be done, it is sent to a render farm via the network anyway - not even a high-end 5k iMac can handle some renderings in an acceptable time, so no reason to think a notebook should be able to.
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This! The only people I see complaining are people on this forum, most people seem to love the MacBook Pro’s, one of my best friends is an editor and he uses the MacBook Pro on a daily basis for work, he loves the machine including how fast and light it is when traveling around and to and from studios showing clients work and so on. Also he says the Touch Bar alone it worth it for work in Final Cut because it saves him so much time when editing down scenes/clips.
 
Poki said:
I'm certainly in that group. Again, I'd love to see numbers on that too, but I'd bet Apple did some market research prior to designing the current MBPs.
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Here comes the fantasy of Apple caring about its customers again…
If you really think they did research about what pros want then ask yourself what happened with the Mac Pro.

They care to a certain extent but if it diverges too much from what they wanted to do anyways they do not care.
 
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Dave245 said:
I have to say I dissagree, it’s not a failure at all, the MacBook Pro is lighter and thinner, which for most devices may not mean that much BUT for a laptop that people carry around it means a lot, go ask a university student or someone like myself who uses the train and so on.

The MacBook Pro 2016 design is more compact, thinner and lighter which will translate to less heavy to carry around and won’t take up as much room in a messenger bag, that equals a win in my book.
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It is an objective failure because it gave things up that did not need to be sacrificed. Battery, reliability, keyboard, obscene trackpad, practical connectivity, etc. And if the weight savings are that significant - 8 ounces on the 15" - I'd suggest students start using the gym at the school they attend.

The 2016 redesign is a failure because it allowed form to dictate function.
 
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Naimfan said:
It is an objective failure because it gave things up that did not need to be sacrificed. Battery, reliability, keyboard, obscene trackpad, practical connectivity, etc. And if the weight savings are that significant - 8 ounces on the 15" - I'd suggest students start using the gym at the school they attend.

The 2016 redesign is a failure because it allowed form to dictate function.
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Battery life is 10 hours, reliability isn’t sacrificed as far as I know, the keyboard is better especially when typing, the only thing I see that’s a bit of a pain is the lack of MagSafe. When you are carrying around heavy bags it is significant, I use to be a film student (before I graduated a few years back) and the most heavy things to carry’s were camera equipment and laptops, when your carrying all that equipment even those few 8 ounces saved are a blessing.
 
Dave245 said:
Battery life is 10 hours, reliability isn’t sacrificed as far as I know, the keyboard is better especially when typing, the only thing I see that’s a bit of a pain is the lack of MagSafe. When you are carrying around heavy bags it is significant, I use to be a film student (before I graduated a few years back) and the most heavy things to carry’s were camera equipment and laptops, when your carrying all that equipment even those few 8 ounces saved are a blessing.
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Battery life is 10 hours if all you do is watch a video. Try doing ANYTHING more than that and it crashes to 3-4 or less depending on load. My 2014 gets 6 hours under the same conditions that my 2017 gets 3.5.

The keyboard is atrocious, so much so that parts of the military have prohibited its use because it was causing repetitive stress injuries and because 75% of them failed in testing.

As for weight, when you're used to carrying ~70 lbs of armor, weapons, ammunition, water, first aid, etc., 8 ounces is meaningless. You will never notice the difference, and if someone does they should invest more time in exercise.
 
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Naimfan said:
Battery life is 10 hours if all you do is watch a video. Try doing ANYTHING more than that and it crashes to 3-4 or less depending on load. My 2014 gets 6 hours under the same conditions that my 2017 gets 3.5.
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I can work for an 8 hour day coding in Xcode all day, including about an hour of having an iPad connected to it and sucking the battery while it was testing/installing builds and still have some battery left at the end of the day.

Outside of a very short time frame when the 2016 MBP was originally released battery life has not been an issue.
 
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Naimfan said:
Battery life is 10 hours if all you do is watch a video. Try doing ANYTHING more than that and it crashes to 3-4 or less depending on load. My 2014 gets 6 hours under the same conditions that my 2017 gets 3.5.

The keyboard is atrocious, so much so that parts of the military have prohibited its use because it was causing repetitive stress injuries and because 75% of them failed in testing.

As for weight, when you're used to carrying ~70 lbs of armor, weapons, ammunition, water, first aid, etc., 8 ounces is meaningless. You will never notice the difference, and if someone does they should invest more time in exercise.
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Battery life had issues at first in 2016 for a short period but it was fixed as far as I’m aware, I know nothing about the military but the keyboard seems better as it’s more accurate when typing. That’s very narrow minded to say that about weight, it may be meaningless to you but not everyone is in the military, these MacBook Pro’s are carried around daily by the average person who has no interest in gaining extra muscle. For people who carry them around daily there is a difference.
 
Dave245 said:
Battery life had issues at first in 2016 for a short period but it was fixed as far as I’m aware, I know nothing about the military but the keyboard seems better as it’s more accurate when typing. That’s very narrow minded to say that about weight, it may be meaningless to you but not everyone is in the military, these MacBook Pro’s are carried around daily by the average person who has no interest in gaining extra muscle. For people who carry them around daily there is a difference.
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Battery life still is a problem, whether it's a 2016 or 2017.
 
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I don't really think the noise or the travel is a concern. My friend is a bit annoyed, but I have always had a sense for a violent stroke or two. I like the keyboard. If you have concerns, buy a can of air to clean it once in a while. It is less than 5 dollars for a can that will last you a long time.
 
I might be belong to a niche category since I used to carry around a 17 inch 9.5 lbs (4.3 kg) laptop along with notebooks and other stuff back in my university day so I don't understand while people keep bitching about 4.5 lbs vs 4 lbs. And I wan't big either. At that time I was 5'9 at 121 lbs with a thin small frame.
To me anything under 6 lbs is portable enough for daily carry.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
Absolute nonstarter - Crazy town, seriously.
Never had to do such a thing on any previous Mac notebooks and nobody should have to.
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I have used it to clean my laptops earlier and it is quite effective, but I guess that hygiene isn’t that important on a device that at least 90% use for porn ;)

Could you fix my Sticky keys, mr Genius?
 
turbineseaplane said:
Not just noisy but also a particularly annoying noise.
A rather unpleasant sound

Ironically the sound it makes does match with how my fingers feel after an hour or so
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The sound is entirely dependent on how you type. It's easy for the keyboard to be quite or loud depending on how hard you press the keys. As a fan of mechanical keyboards the sound is pleasant for me.

Never had a problem with my fingers hurting after extended use of the new keyboard. I find it funny the tMBP haters here are trying to make a meme now of muh RSI. It's so pathetically transparent you people are just inventing new non-existent issues to complain about.
 
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Rkuda said:
It's so pathetically transparent you people are just inventing new non-existent issues to complain about.
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Since most people don’t have use for a Pro machine or the means to buy one it is cheaper to embrace all errors.
 
Dave245 said:
But if you need the power and for it to be thin and light then the 12” MacBook isn’t it, the MacBook Pro is, now that it’s thinner and lighter a lot of people appreciate that especially as I said students and people who travel.
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This! The only people I see complaining are people on this forum, most people seem to love the MacBook Pro’s, one of my best friends is an editor and he uses the MacBook Pro on a daily basis for work, he loves the machine including how fast and light it is when traveling around and to and from studios showing clients work and so on. Also he says the Touch Bar alone it worth it for work in Final Cut because it saves him so much time when editing down scenes/clips.
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This! The only people I see complaining are intelligent people
 
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meboy said:
This! The only people I see complaining are intelligent people
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So those who are happy with their new MacBook Pro's are not intelligent, way to insult a LOT of people :rolleyes:

If the MacBook Pro's are selling as well as it seems then you are calling all these people stupid, not only that but the reviewers who also like and even recommend them. Your opinion of course and since we live in a brilliant democracy you are entitled to it :)
 
Dave245 said:
So those who are happy with their new MacBook Pro's are not intelligent, way to insult a LOT of people :rolleyes:

If the MacBook Pro's are selling as well as it seems then you are calling all these people stupid, not only that but the reviewers who also like and even recommend them. Your opinion of course and since we live in a brilliant democracy you are entitled to it :)
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Yup. Most of the world is stupid.
This is news to you?
It's a fact.

Some people are stuck in a tricky situation though. I get that. They know it's not great but do it anyways for various reasons.
 
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meboy said:
Yup. Most of the world is stupid.
This is news to you?
It's a fact.

Some people are stuck in a tricky situation though. I get that. They know it's not great but do it anyways for various reasons.
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It’s not a fact it’s an opinion, I happen to think that people are pretty clever, just because they may not agree with you doesn’t mean people are stupid. If they like the new MacBook Pro’s and it suits their needs what’s the harm.
 
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