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Waiting for the 2018 MBP

Seems you cant understand,same usage on both, for surfacebook 2 has 7-8hours gap from what microsoft says and apple has at max 1 hour
If you go heavy on the sb2 the battery is draining even when its charging , and without from 100 to 5% it takes 3hours and 20 min
 
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fokmik said:
my brother has always 10-11 hours in normal use with 2017 H Sierra on it
Apple said up to 10 hours...Microsoft said up to 17 hours ! So i guess Apple could increase more with 8th Gen Intel, that iGPU is so more energy efficient !
[doublepost=1511431025][/doublepost]I really think the upcoming 13" MBP with those quad core and that more energy efficient iGPU...will be a must have and it will have the biggest update from the entire lineup
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Any sources on the rumors of quad core and igpu? I am looking for reasons to not buy the next 13 pro deal that comes out.

Quad core would future proof me many more years
 
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Legionnaire said:
Any sources on the rumors of quad core and igpu? I am looking for reasons to not buy the next 13 pro deal that comes out.

Quad core would future proof me many more years
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Not rumors but facts. Just check out the mobile 8th generation CPUs on ark.intel.com
 
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kotlos said:
I am expecting these newly leaked CPUs to be in the 15" models.

Intel 8th Generation Mobile Processors Coffee Lake-H
Core i9-8950HK
Core i7-8850H
Core i7-8750H

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1207...on-processor-lists-leaked-coffee-lake-refresh
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It could fit in with Apple refreshing them early 2018 or if they choose to update at WWDC like last year. Although I don’t think all the updates will happen every year like that (ie iPad, Mac’s and so on being updated at WWDC).
 
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The Mercurian said:
Ha I just logged in to post this link but you beat me to it :D
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Why not 13 inch models? I’m interested in 13 lol. Now I need to decide to buy a Mac 13 on sale in near future or wait for quad. How many additional years of life would that add over the current dual cores?
 
kotlos said:
I am expecting these newly leaked CPUs to be in the 15" models.

Intel 8th Generation Mobile Processors Coffee Lake-H
Core i9-8950HK
Core i7-8850H
Core i7-8750H

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1207...on-processor-lists-leaked-coffee-lake-refresh
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Thanks for sharing - lots of good info there.

Hopefully these get out soon and then Cannon Lake follows soon after. I haven't researched it for a while, but if still correct, I think that's when DisplayPort 1.4 support will be included. That will allow us to drive 5K displays over a single cable without taking all available bandwidth/crippling other ports on the same bus. Hoping to ultimately be able to drive 2-3 5K displays with the MBP.
 
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I feel like Apple will put a 6-core CPU in the high-end version only. Unless they move the 13” tbMBPs to quad-core. But Apple is in the business of slowing advancement to increase profit.
 
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simonmet said:
I feel like Apple will put a 6-core CPU in the high-end version only.
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I don't see that happening, I'm not sure we'll see any major change in the MBP for 2018. We'll get a faster CPU/GPU, hopefully an improved keyboard and maybe the ability to get a laptop with more then 16GB of ram; A feature that many people are clamoring for here at MR but I for one don't need.
 
simonmet said:
I feel like Apple will put a 6-core CPU in the high-end version only. Unless they move the 13” tbMBPs to quad-core. But Apple is in the business of slowing advancement to increase profit.
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I highly doubt that. If we go by Intel's already announced 8th gen notebook and desktop chips, all 45W chips will offer 6 cores. The could use 28W chips in the 15" MacBook Pros, but they're not cheaper than the 6-core 45W chips, and the thermal design can handle the higher wattage chips, so what would be the advantage for Apple in doing so?
 
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Poki said:
so what would be the advantage for Apple in doing so?
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Apple wants you to spend more money. So if you need a 6-core, well, you have to purchase it for higher price. Of course, you get more storage, better GPU, etc. But it doesn't mater if you need all of that, what matters is that you spend more money :)

I'm not saying Apple would do this. But what I am saying, it wouldn't surprise me if they did. They are already doing it on almost every product they make (64gb - 256gb iPX for example).
 
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c0ppo said:
Apple wants you to spend more money. So if you need a 6-core, well, you have to purchase it for higher price. Of course, you get more storage, better GPU, etc. But it doesn't mater if you need all of that, what matters is that you spend more money :)

I'm not saying Apple would do this. But what I am saying, it wouldn't surprise me if they did. They are already doing it on almost every product they make (64gb - 256gb iPX for example).
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I donˋthink storage tiers are the same thing, since more storage actually costs more money. Also, it would make the 15“ MBP even worse value compared to the competition, Apple wouldnˋt want that I guess. Therès enough room to charge more with higher end 6-core chips as opposed to the lower end ones, as well as with more storage, RAM and VRAM.
 
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simonmet said:
I feel like Apple will put a 6-core CPU in the high-end version only. Unless they move the 13” tbMBPs to quad-core. But Apple is in the business of slowing advancement to increase profit.
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No reason to do that. The per chip price goes down the more of each type they buy. And there is a direct cost of supporting each configuration. From a cost standpoint it is better to have fewer different versions of major components to stock, configure boards to support, install, and test. And if former COO Tim Cook knows one this it is cutting cost from manufacturing.
 
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Poki said:
I donˋthink storage tiers are the same thing, since more storage actually costs more money. Also, it would make the 15“ MBP even worse value compared to the competition, Apple wouldnˋt want that I guess. Therès enough room to charge more with higher end 6-core chips as opposed to the lower end ones, as well as with more storage, RAM and VRAM.
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I'm not saying they will do it. I'm just saying that it wouldn't surprise me. At all.
You see, in my own opinion, Apple has become too greedy. So if they play the 'greed' card again, I would be a fool if that surprised me.

But again, maybe they won't do it. Only time will tell :)
 
I don’t currently have a Mac so I may have to buy one by Christmas. I’m having a hard time deciding whether to spend less now, sell and upgrade next year or get the best I can now and wait a few more generations. By best I mean the 15” with 560 graphics and 1 TB SSD (can’t justify 2 TB, few can probably).

I don’t think waiting until February or March (at least) will be possible, though it might. It depends what further information arises in the next month. I’ll cross that bridge when I actually have the funds also.

What makes me hesitant is the possible significant boost to 6-core and 32/64 GB RAM for a similar price that we’re paying now. I work with large data and I have maxed out 16 GB (in active use) before, not often but I have. Needless to say 32 GB would provide breathing room, especially to multitask even more applications.

Information suggests we might be waiting a while longer for a max memory increase however. Though not Apple’s fault, I think pro MBP users are entitled to be critical that the maximum memory available on their laptops hasn’t increased for many years.

I’m therefore leaning towards a cheaper laptop this year to tide me over.
 
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^I mean, if you have the option of buying a temporary laptop now to hold you over till next year, do that. Or just wait. Because next years MBP will be a significant processor upgrade though they'll be arriving either in March or June WWDC (I'm personally leaning towards June).
 
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Poki said:
Not rumors but facts. Just check out the mobile 8th generation CPUs on ark.intel.com
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Not facts, but nonsense!

None of these chips have a Iris 640 or higher. Therefore none of these chips are suitable for the 13” MacBook Pro. Unless Apple choose to go for discrete GPU with 2h battery life.
 
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NBAasDOGG said:
Not facts, but nonsense!

None of these chips have a Iris 640 or higher. Therefore none of these chips are suitable for the 13” MacBook Pro. Unless Apple choose to go for discrete GPU with 2h battery life.
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All of the already releases mobile CPUs are in the 15W class, so yes, they are absolutely suitable for the nTB 13" MBP. If Intel decides not to release 15W chips with Iris graphics, these would be the chips Apple had to go with if they don't want to give the nTB MBP the same 28W chips they use in the TB MBP and if they won't go with AMD. Now, it might be possible Intel releases 15W CPUs with Iris graphics, but looking at the thermal data from the notebooks already released, Intel might have a hard time giving more wattage to the iGPU in these chips without having the CPU thermal throttling too fast.

Having said that, Apple might not have a problem with building a lower end iGPU in the nTB MBP. After all, they see this notebook as the MacBook Air replacement, and differentiating it a little more to the more expensive Touch Bar model is something most business people would love to do.
 
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Poki said:
All of the already releases mobile CPUs are in the 15W class, so yes, they are absolutely suitable for the nTB 13" MBP. If Intel decides not to release 15W chips with Iris graphics, these would be the chips Apple had to go with if they don't want to give the nTB MBP the same 28W chips they use in the TB MBP and if they won't go with AMD. Now, it might be possible Intel releases 15W CPUs with Iris graphics, but looking at the thermal data from the notebooks already released, Intel might have a hard time giving more wattage to the iGPU in these chips without having the CPU thermal throttling too fast.

Having said that, Apple might not have a problem with building a lower end iGPU in the nTB MBP. After all, they see this notebook as the MacBook Air replacement, and differentiating it a little more to the more expensive Touch Bar model is something most business people would love to do.
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But you have to keep in mind that the Iris620 is huge downgrade regarding GPU power. Apple will never make such move, even for the ntMbP.
 
maflynn said:
I don't see that happening, I'm not sure we'll see any major change in the MBP for 2018. We'll get a faster CPU/GPU, hopefully an improved keyboard and maybe the ability to get a laptop with more then 16GB of ram; A feature that many people are clamoring for here at MR but I for one don't need.
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They can't add 32gb of ram if they stick to the same CPU line. It's limited by the CPU, not by Apple.

As I said earlier, I personally think that they will just polish the 2018. model with 10-15% better specs without any big announcements around March next year, and then end of 2018., around september, they will introduce a redesigned model with all the bells and whistles. 13" model with a quad core and 32 gb ram, 15" model with a hexa core, 32 gb ram etc.

Apple was never the first one to adopt the new line of processors, never. So they will probably wait.
 
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