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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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I think the biggest innovation is gonna be the the AMD Vega chips that are about to come out. That could get some really oomph in power in a small 45TDP- enough to do VR and AR which is where apple is headed.
I know so many people seem hung up with 32GB, but how many actually need that much ram?
I think it's abundantly clear this isn't true, seeing as how Apple just announced eGPU and VR support at WWDC.
Agree completely- VR and AR is a major strategic initiative at Apple. As high power VR capable cards come in with lower TDP they'll be slotted in.
I love threads like these. Always chasing the next big thing. 
Every now and again there are step function improvements that are worth waiting for:I love threads like these. Always chasing the next big thing.
- AMD has been putting pressure on Intel to move up it's roadmap instead of constant delays.
- AMD's Vega line is claimed to be able to put the power of the 1080/1070 etc into lower TDP footprints for laptops. That's Apple terroritory and worth waiting a bit for.
I'd not be surprised to see a leak tonight from Ming about an October release with a VEGA GPU.
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No. Only low power GPU that are going to be released with Vega are Raven Ridge GPUs. And those chips are APUs/NPUs.
No. Only low power GPUs that are going to be released with Vega are Raven ridge GPUs. Those are APUs/NPUs.
So if you want Vega GPUs you have to tolerate slightly lower IPC of Ryzen CPUs compared to Skylake/Kaby Lake.
How do you know? So no vega successor to the 560 for two years now? Seems unlikely
There will be Vega 11 but it is Polaris 10/20(RX480/Radeon Pro 580) replacement, not Polaris 11/21(RX 460, Radeon Pro 460/560).
That suggests no improvement other than the recent clock improvement by Amd at 45 tsp in 2 years
You are saying they are just stopping at 45 and nothing vega will hit 45 other than integrated chips that allle won't use?
Seems unlikely
Source?
Me! I'm a music composer who enjoys mobility with my work and I easily use between 16GB & 32GB right now, as sampler libraries (Kontakt) get more advanced it will become even more over the next few years.
https://videocardz.com/62250/amd-vega10-and-vega11-gpus-spotted-in-opencl-driver
Graphics IPv9 is the family of Vega GPUs. And all you can see there is prototype GPU: Greenland, Raven Ridge, Vega 11 and Vega 10.
Vega 10 is big Vega, and Vega 11 is small Vega. Small Vega is going to replace Polaris 10/20, while Raven Ridge is most likely slated to replace Polaris 11/21, when time has come.
How does A leak of some small number vega drivers - not all drivers doesn't mean other gpus won't be released?
The leak contains all of the GPUs that have been worked on for previous 4 years.
There is a possibility that Apple for next round of MBPs will just switch from Intel to AMD, for Raven Ridge APUs with HBM2.
I don't think apple will do that
Forgive the question but where does the article say it's contains everything worked on? I read the article twice and don't see that
The article is 11 months old, it was from the time when we knew nothing about Vega GPUs.
Usually when they post something in drivers, traces to device ID of GPUs, like it is in this case, they post everything what has beed worked on, hence the drivers of Greenland GPU - prototype that has spawned Vega 10, 11 and Raven Ridge APU.
Some people already say that Apple will jump ship to Raven Ridge APUs.
http://www.bitsandchips.it/9-hardware/7477-apu-zen-custom-nei-macbook-pro-tra-il-2017-e-il-2018
Actually this makes perfect sense. Look at the time span: 2017-2018. Why? Intel next year will open up Thunderbolt 3 Protocol to everybody. AMD does not have Polaris replacement, and Raven Ridge GPU with HBM2 on package will be much faster than iGPUs, and scalable enough to go from 35W TDP in MBP 13 inch to 65W for MBP15 inch.
And the Fab sync between GloFo and Samsung for 14 nm LPP process, which AMD uses to manufacture their chips was made by the request of Apple.
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/04/17/global-foundries-samsung-sync-14nm-processes/
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/12/17/apple-samsung-intel-foundry-plans/
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/07/12/apple-has-their-own-fab/
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/04/17/semiaccurate-right-apples-foundry-plans/
If AMD secured contract with Apple to provide APUs to them the capacity offered by GloFo was too small. The sync would open the door to this.
But this is theory. I guess we will see what will happen next year.
One thing is for sure- if apple decided to move to an amd Apu it would leak 6 to 9 months ahead of time
Meaning we'd likely hear about it in then next few months for next years model
Meaning we'd likely hear about it in then next few months for next years model
I'm not saying that there's no one, but I suspect that most users don't need it - just my $.02
Thinking I'm holding off with ya man. My 2012 15" rMBP spected out is still chugging along. It's been a work-horse machine but I'm ready to upgrade, BUT I really want 32gb RAM. Most of the time 16gb is plenty but sometimes when running a couple of Adobe apps, a couple VMs, 30 browser tabs, iTunes, etc at once I can see where the extra RAM would benefit. You can keep these machines for years so it's hard for me to buy this new MBP that that doesn't really have any RAM improvements over my 2012. I could use the extra RAM sometimes now so I'm sure in 3 or 4 years I'll definitely find myself wishing I had it.
I'm seeing equal amounts of people saying it is highly likely to get 32gb for 2018 and that it's not happening until 2019. I'm willing to wait another year but probably not 2 more years.
What do you guys think the likelihood really is for 32gb in 2018?
What would a "touchbar improvement" look like? What's wrong with it now? Is it slow? Blurry?
KUO already leaked something about a "significantly redesigned MacBook" for Q4
Could be a mobile version of iMacPro.
A laptop with superior hardware (Better GPU, more RAM, bigger battery, SD Ethernet USB type A) thicker if needed...
If true, Apple might as well rebrand their laptops...
MB ------> MBA ultra book
rMBP ------> MB mid range laptop
Void -------> rMBP the real pro laptop
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Lack of haptic feedback.