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Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]
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its not a worthy enough upgrade from a 2017 or 2016 even with % performance considered.
I'd guess 10% - there was talk of them adding more cores as well which would def improve multi core benchmarks again. to me- not really worth waiting f
you guys have a different warranty - we just have 1 year. plus tariffs.
Upgrading annually is rarely a worthy move.
I'd say this is possibly one of the rare occasions that it would be if you could make significant use of the increased power and RAM over a 2017 model. Of course having said that by waiting a year you get yet another (albeit incremental) upgrade in power, and you've gotten two years use out of your expensive 2017 machine not one. I suppose it depends on if your workflow would benefit to the point of actually making you more money with a 2018 over a 2017 across a year.
I’d agree with you and I think a lot of people upgrade on the industry standard of 3-5 years, which does make it harder to justify the extra cost on a MacBook Pro. And since I last owned a personal windows machine (about 3 years ago), bloatware may well not be as bad as it used to be.
At least in my experience, even with upgrading to the newer Windows updates, I’ve tended to notice that older windows machines haven’t faired as well for me as my MacBooks have.
I use my company provided windows for my day job, and honestly can’t stand the bugginess so I’m willing to pay that premium to keep using MacOS for my personal business and home use. But I will agree that on a 3-5 year replacement schedule $3000-4000 gets pricey. This is also why I typically try to buy refurbished models from Apple.
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Lol. I was waiting to see who’d say it first.Personally I haven’t had the issue on my machine (knock on wood), but yes obviously a failed keyboard would kind of defeat the longevity value of the MacBook Pro.
Nobody should use a company provided Windows PC as a benchmark of performance or usability. In my experience, they tend to have a large amount of heavy handed policy manipulation as well as myriad poorly written management utilities installed.
My experience with Windows outside of work is that it tends to run much better on older hardware than OSX. Go figure.
I think at this point I’m going to run my 2015 until Apple releases one with their own GPU and CPU which I’m sure will accompany a majorly refreshed design again.
I really believe that is coming…
Probably just not for another year or two, but my 2015 is solid as a rock so I’m not concerned.
I really believe that is coming…
Probably just not for another year or two, but my 2015 is solid as a rock so I’m not concerned.
I think I'm going to be doing much the same - I've been used to upgrading more frequently but I don't see the value with the prices they are now asking. Could be quite an exciting refresh if they get it right
The 2018 laptop represents a huge update, but even so, it may be hard to justify. Only if the person needs that processing power.
We do have two years of waranty here. But I don't think this additional year is worth the 338€ ($394) difference in the price of the laptop…
I'd much rather take applecare which costs 349€($407) and be safe for 3 years. But given I nearly pay that price for just 2 years…
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For some of us this is a pretty simple economic equation. I just ordered a new i9 with 32Gig memory and 512Gig SSD (will use external TB3 storage). It was ~$4,500 with tax and Applecare.
It seems a lot however I will sell my mid-2015 top-spec 15" MBP for ~$1,400-1,500 bringing it down to around $3,000. I expect to use this one for 4-5 years. At 5 years that's about $66 per month. Given my salary, it just needs to save me more than 1 hour per month and it's paid for itself. It will do that easily over a Windows 10 machine just based on stability.
I have nothing at all against Microsoft and Windows 10. I worked there for 14 years, but MacOS is a much more stable and less complex dev environment for the work I do now. In the Windows world I would have to use a couple of Linux VM's to run the software while I did the dev. In MacOS I just run the software. Fewer moving parts means less time spent getting them to all work together.
It seems a lot however I will sell my mid-2015 top-spec 15" MBP for ~$1,400-1,500 bringing it down to around $3,000. I expect to use this one for 4-5 years. At 5 years that's about $66 per month. Given my salary, it just needs to save me more than 1 hour per month and it's paid for itself. It will do that easily over a Windows 10 machine just based on stability.
I have nothing at all against Microsoft and Windows 10. I worked there for 14 years, but MacOS is a much more stable and less complex dev environment for the work I do now. In the Windows world I would have to use a couple of Linux VM's to run the software while I did the dev. In MacOS I just run the software. Fewer moving parts means less time spent getting them to all work together.
If you need a processing power then Intel Xeon is a right choice. Apple upgraded CPU without changing tiny heatpipe which is confusing since almost all competitor products have modified cooling and even that this generation is a big step back regarding thermals. Without going down from14nm (reducing dissipated power) current generation is not what tigers like. Sad thing is that we cannot be sure that 2019 MacBooks will get what most of us is expecting. Times when Apple was a technology leader in almost every aspect is a past. Possibly this year most of Apple resources were focused on new iPhones. One engineer from Chicony or Foxconn designed plastic membrane for 2018 keyboard Amazing feature especially that on my ear sound click is worse than before (assuming that all my senses switched to visual when watching iJustine). The only thing that concern me is that removing dust and dirt will be much more complicated than in previous models (using compressed air now can make things worse). It looks like a Trojan horse which is a gift and trap. Maybe that is why Apple state that it does not fix an sticking keys problems. According to iFixit new 2018 MBPs have touchpad that can be easily replaced. Giant company like Apple cannot use the same trick but with the keyboard that can be replaced without changing whole topcase Really really strange.
Amazing feature especially that on my ear sound click is worse than before (assuming that all my senses switched to visual when watching iJustine). The only thing that concern me is that removing dust and dirt will be much more complicated than in previous models (using compressed air now can make things worse). It looks like a Trojan horse which is a gift and trap. Maybe that is why Apple state that it does not fix an sticking keys problems. According to iFixit new 2018 MBPs have touchpad that can be easily replaced. Giant company like Apple cannot use the same trick but with the keyboard that can be replaced without changing whole topcase Really really strange.
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I’m sorry but I have to kindly disagree. Not all company provided windows PCs are that heavily managed, mine for one is not one of those heavily restricted machines. Most companies don’t restrict the computer’s performance, the restrictions in place are more about web browsing restrictions, or restrictions on admin settings that could mess up the machine if a non-technical person is using the device. Yes there are some companies out there that do put super restrictive management tools on their machines, but in my case I don’t have that.
And I’ll go a step further. I’ve used Windows machines for home devices, and I’ve never kept one for longer than 5 years, because by the end of that it has always been too slow and can’t handle what I throw at it as well as MacOS did on my old 2011 MacBook that I just recently traded in.
Having said that, each user will have the own experience and preferences, mine (having used both personal and work Windows machines) is that MacOS is a more stable system in the long run
Wishlist for 2019 MBP hardware:
- replace touch bar with individual physical keys that have programmable displays on each one - best of both worlds, though precludes sliders (which suck anyway, so who cares?)
- add a Touch ID also on the edge of the machine so it can be used when the cover is closed and MBP is connected to an external monitor
- alternatively, add a Touch ID to the external Magic Mouse to do the same which would also support desktops
- 8-core CPU; anyone who can make use of 6 can make use of 8; natural progression from a process shrink
- Thunderbolt 4 - would also help out eGPU, dual 8K monitors, etc.
- 2 to 4 Gb/s Wi-Fi - catch up with newer routers
- 6.4 GB/s SSD
- 64GB DRAM option - and keep unneeded DRAM chips completely powered down during light activity
- replace touch bar with individual physical keys that have programmable displays on each one - best of both worlds, though precludes sliders (which suck anyway, so who cares?)
- add a Touch ID also on the edge of the machine so it can be used when the cover is closed and MBP is connected to an external monitor
- alternatively, add a Touch ID to the external Magic Mouse to do the same which would also support desktops
- 8-core CPU; anyone who can make use of 6 can make use of 8; natural progression from a process shrink
- Thunderbolt 4 - would also help out eGPU, dual 8K monitors, etc.
- 2 to 4 Gb/s Wi-Fi - catch up with newer routers
- 6.4 GB/s SSD
- 64GB DRAM option - and keep unneeded DRAM chips completely powered down during light activity
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In the light of the throttling problems discovered. I'd say better cooling for next year's model is now part of my wish list.
Well, with Throttlegate (see other thread), it may end up that our 2015 MBPs are FASTER than the 2018s!
No, the i7 HQ in the 2017 model is the main competitor as it can hold its top Speed for far longer.
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Unlikely. The regular Core i7s aren't going to have these issues (Dell has a similar issue with the Core i9s on the XPS 15), and they're a pretty large performance jump.
The i7 HQ pulls ahead or equal in 2017 to 2018. If they could maintain the i9 power for anytime it would be a killer. Oops, guess not!
I’d say a 2017 maxed out or 2018 i7 with 32GB ram is best value bang for buck. If you need the performance. Not convinced on the GPU. Think D2D pretty fair assessment in the video.
Lets make a wish: the 2019 mbp to be a little bit thicker!
No more anorexic models that could possibly die!
Test suggests 2018 MacBook Pro can't keep up with Intel Core i9 chip's thermal demands
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...p-up-with-intel-core-i9-chips-thermal-demands
No more anorexic models that could possibly die!
Test suggests 2018 MacBook Pro can't keep up with Intel Core i9 chip's thermal demands
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...p-up-with-intel-core-i9-chips-thermal-demands
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