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How can you wait. Every year there will be something new. But 6 cores will be same for.a while.
The 2018 model represents a sizeable update compared to prior years, the keyboard is generation 3 and hopefully the design changes makes it durable and so far early reports are positive. 6 cores, in such a thin laptop is crazy and I'm blown away by the performance increase. For those wanting it, they can have 32GB of ram.


Of course if you don't need a computer then the truism of waiting till you need it, still holds.
 
Is it pretty safe to say that there will be no new Macbook Pro this year (besides the recent upgrade)? Any guesstimates on when a new one will be released next year?
 
Is it pretty safe to say that there will be no new Macbook Pro this year (besides the recent upgrade)? Any guesstimates on when a new one will be released next year?
They are on a yearly cycle, so probably June or July.
 
802.11ax (or even ac wave 2)
Cheaper SSD
No speaker crackle, T2 crash etc.


Not knocking the 2018. I think once those two bottom items get sorted, it’ll be great.
Not all have speaker issue and also what is the T2 crash?

All products have some with buga
 
How can you wait. Every year there will be something new. But 6 cores will be same for.a while.
For the 2019 in particular this is going to be the ultimate in this design series - the bugs have been slowly worked out, and the last remaining few with the 2018 should be gone by next year. The whiskey lake CPUs could be to coffee lake what Kaby Lake was to Skylake - very similar but more optimised and cooler running - which would be a particular boon given the thermals of these machines strain against the installed cooling capacity. SSD prices are also slowly starting to fall again after rising up to about December 2017, hopefully by next year they could have declined enough Apple might equip larger capacities across the board, particularly in the base models of each lineup (128 -> 256 in 13” and 256 -> 512 in 15”).

Come 2020 we will have a new design, likely move to new ARM processors and probably a new slew of bugs that always come with a gen 1 product...
 
For the 2019 in particular this is going to be the ultimate in this design series - the bugs have been slowly worked out, and the last remaining few with the 2018 should be gone by next year. The whiskey lake CPUs could be to coffee lake what Kaby Lake was to Skylake - very similar but more optimised and cooler running - which would be a particular boon given the thermals of these machines strain against the installed cooling capacity. SSD prices are also slowly starting to fall again after rising up to about December 2017, hopefully by next year they could have declined enough Apple might equip larger capacities across the board, particularly in the base models of each lineup (128 -> 256 in 13” and 256 -> 512 in 15”).

Come 2020 we will have a new design, likely move to new ARM processors and probably a new slew of bugs that always come with a gen 1 product...

My only wishlist for 2019/2020 is, please give us a 1080p+ Facetime cam (FaceTime being a bonus!). I use my MacBook's a lot for communication so it would actually be really nice.
 
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My only wishlist for 2019/2020 is, please give us a 1080p+ Facetime cam (FaceTime being a bonus!). I use my MacBook's a lot for productivity so it would actually be really nice.
For what ever reason, it seems all PC makers ignore the camera. For my usage, its not something I care at a about. I've only used a handful of times over the last 5 years
 
For the 2019 in particular this is going to be the ultimate in this design series - the bugs have been slowly worked out, and the last remaining few with the 2018 should be gone by next year. The whiskey lake CPUs could be to coffee lake what Kaby Lake was to Skylake - very similar but more optimised and cooler running - which would be a particular boon given the thermals of these machines strain against the installed cooling capacity. SSD prices are also slowly starting to fall again after rising up to about December 2017, hopefully by next year they could have declined enough Apple might equip larger capacities across the board, particularly in the base models of each lineup (128 -> 256 in 13” and 256 -> 512 in 15”).

Come 2020 we will have a new design, likely move to new ARM processors and probably a new slew of bugs that always come with a gen 1 product...
So the cooling issue has been around since his design change?
 
So the cooling issue has been around since his design change?
For the 2019 in particular this is going to be the ultimate in this design series - the bugs have been slowly worked out, and the last remaining few with the 2018 should be gone by next year. The whiskey lake CPUs could be to coffee lake what Kaby Lake was to Skylake - very similar but more optimised and cooler running - which would be a particular boon given the thermals of these machines strain against the installed cooling capacity. SSD prices are also slowly starting to fall again after rising up to about December 2017, hopefully by next year they could have declined enough Apple might equip larger capacities across the board, particularly in the base models of each lineup (128 -> 256 in 13” and 256 -> 512 in 15”).

Come 2020 we will have a new design, likely move to new ARM processors and probably a new slew of bugs that always come with a gen 1 product...
To the contrary, this design revision had better thermal properties than any machine that’s gone before - intel just dropped the ball on TDP with coffee lake and I’m certain they will rectify that with some clever optimisations for whiskey lake a la Kaby Lake.
 
So can we expect 2019 to have 10nm cpu? maybe with it a more "colder" MBP? i mean in this chassis i think 6C would be better fit in the 10nm architecture
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For what ever reason, it seems all PC makers ignore the camera. For my usage, its not something I care at a about. I've only used a handful of times over the last 5 years
i think the surface line up has the best facetime camera for those who care so much
 
Intel's 10nm are expected to be coming in 2nd half of 2019... possibly starting with desktops followed by notebook variants in 2020
So can we expect 2019 to have 10nm cpu? maybe with it a more "colder" MBP? i mean in this chassis i think 6C would be better fit in the 10nm architecture
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i think the surface line up has the best facetime camera for those who care so much
 
So can we expect 2019 to have 10nm cpu? maybe with it a more "colder" MBP? i mean in this chassis i think 6C would be better fit in the 10nm architecture
Realistically, the earliest we could see 10nm Cannonlake in the Mac lineup is 2020 (and that us rumored to be the year we might also see the switch to ARM CPUs, so who knows if it happens at all and to which extend).

Thing is, Cannonlake is currently scheduled for the end of 2019, meaning that until it finds its way into the Mac lineup, we should expect at least a few more months after that point. Also if it follows Intel's previous release schedule, then mobile Cannonlake chips will appear some months later than the desktop variants (usually sometime in spring like this year with Coffeelake), which puts a release of Cannonlake MacBook Pros another few months down the line, mid 2020 maybe. And all of that is assuming that Cannonlake gets released in time at all and that we won't see yet another delay, which frankly wouldn't surprise me either, considering how often it was already delayed.
 
So can we expect 2019 to have 10nm cpu? maybe with it a more "colder" MBP? i mean in this chassis i think 6C would be better fit in the 10nm architecture
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i think the surface line up has the best facetime camera for those who care so much
As already said 10nm won’t be here until the end of 2019, and at that cannonlake is (or was the last I heard) only being used for Y series parts - this might have been the plan prior to Amber Lake being announced though. Cooler chips aren’t achieved just through die shrinks though, Kaby Lake was significantly cooler running than Skylake, I’m sure Intel can probably tinker with a few aspects of the design and pull a similar trick

The surfaces do indeed have comparatively exceptional cameras - even the surface go just released, the difference there though is they are fitting it in a 7mm+ body, not a tapering 3mm (at its widest) screen assembly
 
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I don't understand why people can't just wait. I had a 2018 15" i7/512/16 for 12 days and returned it. I didn't spent close to $4000 CAD to solve problems, or to go on forums to figure out if my speaker problem was just a one off, or to run tests to see if the patch fixed the throttling issue, or to experience T2 chip mishaps, or to feel unsure about the keyboard's lifespan. I felt like I was using a windows laptop!!! If I was gonna spend money and try to make my laptop work as advertised on my own time, I'd spend no more than $2000. And can you imagine PC makers sell their machines with 2 or 3 years old CPUs in their line up (air, mini, mac pro)? They'd be out of business. I think us consumers are giving it to Apple far too easily. If you are not running mission critical softwares that require you to get a portable mac, just don't buy this year's MBP. At least not the 15" one.

I'll wait for the 2019 MBP and keep using my worry free mid 2013 13".
 
I don't understand why people can't just wait. I had a 2018 15" i7/512/16 for 12 days and returned it. I didn't spent close to $4000 CAD to solve problems, or to go on forums to figure out if my speaker problem was just a one off, or to run tests to see if the patch fixed the throttling issue, or to experience T2 chip mishaps, or to feel unsure about the keyboard's lifespan. I felt like I was using a windows laptop!!! If I was gonna spend money and try to make my laptop work as advertised on my own time, I'd spend no more than $2000. And can you imagine PC makers sell their machines with 2 or 3 years old CPUs in their line up (air, mini, mac pro)? They'd be out of business. I think us consumers are giving it to Apple far too easily. If you are not running mission critical softwares that require you to get a portable mac, just don't buy this year's MBP. At least not the 15" one.

I'll wait for the 2019 MBP and keep using my worry free mid 2013 13".
Why can't we buy it. Some of us need it.
 
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well.. I'm on the thread titled "Waiting for the 2019 MBP" so I'm giving my reasons of doing so. Of course you can just buy it if you need it. I thought I needed it a few weeks ago too but it turned out that I needed something else.
Sorry. You are right. I was focusing on the "why can't people wait"
 
The only reason Apple can get away with using old processors is because of MacOS. On Windows side, there is more competition, so OEMs have to keep updating their hardware regularly or lose the market share.
For Apple there is no such competition. If you want to use MacOS then buy whatever Apple is selling or wait.
I don't understand why people can't just wait. I had a 2018 15" i7/512/16 for 12 days and returned it. I didn't spent close to $4000 CAD to solve problems, or to go on forums to figure out if my speaker problem was just a one off, or to run tests to see if the patch fixed the throttling issue, or to experience T2 chip mishaps, or to feel unsure about the keyboard's lifespan. I felt like I was using a windows laptop!!! If I was gonna spend money and try to make my laptop work as advertised on my own time, I'd spend no more than $2000. And can you imagine PC makers sell their machines with 2 or 3 years old CPUs in their line up (air, mini, mac pro)? They'd be out of business. I think us consumers are giving it to Apple far too easily. If you are not running mission critical softwares that require you to get a portable mac, just don't buy this year's MBP. At least not the 15" one.

I'll wait for the 2019 MBP and keep using my worry free mid 2013 13".
 
The only reason Apple can get away with using old processors is because of MacOS. On Windows side, there is more competition, so OEMs have to keep updating their hardware regularly or lose the market share.
For Apple there is no such competition. If you want to use MacOS then buy whatever Apple is selling or wait.
I totally agree. That's why I don't want to incentivize Apple to keep making hardwares with very lopsided performance to value ratio by just buying whatever Apple releases. Unlike two companies face off each other like intel vs amd, it's Apple vs consumers. If MBP 2016's sale drop 50% from 2015, you bet Apple will most likely have a redesign by this year with legacy USB port, SD card reader and no touchbar option across board etc. Unfortunately a lot of people complained about those but still gone out and bought one. Some of us have to use Mac only software so there's no choice, but others especially those asking "ssssshould I get 2018 MBP?" then I'll say the answer is NO. If you need it you've already gone out and bought one no questions asked. For others, I'd suggest to just wait.

I'm not saying these are horrible machines, it's just that the value is pretty bad. BTW, besides waiting for 2019 MBP, I'm also waiting for the 2018 MBA. If Apple just upgrade the CPU and have retina lcd and leave everything else as is (unlikely..) then I'm gonna get that instead.
 
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In the absence of competition, that wait could prolong because even next year Apple could update its MacBook lineup with previous year's processors. Part of the problem is also Intel's ability to bring new architecture and process node.
So given that, users who want MacOS would keep buying Macs irrespective of hardware specs. Also, Apple optimizes MacOS for it's own hardware (though there have been more issues recently) the overall experience could still be smoother than new Windows laptop

I totally agree. That's why I don't want to incentivize Apple to keep making hardwares with very lopsided performance to value ratio by just buying whatever Apple releases. Unlike two companies face off each other like intel vs amd, it's Apple vs consumers. If MBP 2016's sale drop 50% from 2015, you bet Apple will most likely have a redesign by this year with legacy USB port, SD card reader and no touchbar option across board etc. Unfortunately a lot of people complained about those but still gone out and bought one. Some of us have to use Mac only software so there's no choice, but others especially those asking "ssssshould I get 2018 MBP?" then I'll say the answer is NO. If you need it you've already gone out and bought one no questions asked. For others, I'd suggest to just wait.

I'm not saying these are horrible machines, it's just that the value is pretty bad. BTW, besides waiting for 2019 MBP, I'm also waiting for the 2018 MBA. If Apple just upgrade the CPU and have retina lcd and leave everything else as is (unlikely..) then I'm gonna get that instead.
 
Got my 2018 MBP 2 weeks ago. Really see no appeal in the 2019 when a year after we could see a redesign. Most likely Intel won't even be ready with their 10nm CPU's next year.

I would suggest everybody just get the 2018 and wait for the 2020 redesign.
 
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